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The Greatest Hurdler of all time
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You can use the timing of a 100 sprint to work out the best ever.
No you can't .....newly built tracks are much faster than in previous eras, that is why going under 10 seconds is commonplace now . One athlete doing it may be down to sheer ability , the fact they all run faster than Carl Lewis for example is farcical. |
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Istabraq started favourite for every hurdle race he contested in , apart from its first .
Means nothing but still a nice stat . |
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Hard to compare horses over the years but Persian War, Bula, Comedy of Errors, See You Then, Istabraq and Hurricane Fly are all well above average winners of the Champion Hurdle while Baracouda, Inglis Drever and Big Bucks were/are still the dominant stayers of my lifetime.
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Sageform - I'd have Night Nurse on BOTH of your lists
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RELKEEL was my fav and could have been the best barring disabiltiy
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interesting fred
I've long been of the opinion that the champion hurdler is the best horse in training, the winter game at least. Can't believe that the Fly's rating is stuck in the mid 170s while any old donkey that wins the gold cup gets rated better than 3 time winner Best Mate. The 2m hurdling division is always the strongest in national hunt as so many novices come through every year. For me the Fly is the best horse in training. Big Bucks? Puh-leez! |
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Erica Roe.
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Sofia she was very good that day at Twickers but reckon she is gone over the top now - some top though
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Ran a bit free at Twickers but high knee action made her a natural fast hurdler.
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Montelado was a match for any hurdler i've seen, but like most of us he had his problems.
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Is Montelado STILL the only horse to win two consecutive races at the Cheltenham Festival?
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If my memory serves me right See You Then did not appear until February when winning his 3rd Champion Hurdle?
An exceptional horse. |
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relkeel was 2m+ horse imo ,bestmate was lucky and best of a bad bunch imo ,all narrow victories but victories all the same .
granville again would have won twice for falling at the top of the hill and royal gait was a class horse ,as was kribensis ,both grd1 winners on the level ,horses like flakey dove  ,make a stand ,rooster booster were all grafters ,prob just high class hcpers but that makes their victories all the sweeter imohardy eustace was as tough as teak imo . istabraq just had summit ,could not quite put the finger on it but that horse seemed to do it so very very easy ,never seen the likes . |
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there was a really good pitman horse that died on course, that would have gone to the top,
probably as a chaser, can remember if he was a 2 miler over hurdles, Mr Mogul, i think was the name?. |
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Big Buck's
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Mighty Mogul aberdonia
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thanks steamship.
think it was going to the top? |
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Only seen one mention of GREATEST HURDLER OF ALL TIME
NIGHT NURSE GAVE MONKSFIELD 6Lbs IN the then TEMPLEGATE HURDLE AT AINTREE AND DEAD HEATED RATING I BELIEVE OF 184? Don't think it's ever been matched |
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It's hard enough trying to work out what will win this years race without looking back over past winners for who is the best.
I think it depends on the age you are when you get into it(Sea Pigeon, Night Nurse, Mionksfield,Birds Nest,Kybo) if you followed the horse and won on it. Those Champion Hdls of the late 70's did look great. |
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Patsy - NIGHT NURSE - That's why Timeform had him top rated 182 for BOTH best 2 mile hurdler and best staying hurdler in the SAME SEASON. A rating never exceeded before or since for a hurdler. Think the Templegate was 2m 5f+ in those days.
Thats the third time I've mentioned him |
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Timeform are a great organisation and all that but their ratings are far from bomb-proof and they appear to come up with a new "greatest ever" a bit too often for my liking.
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Hurricane Fly is the best IMO.
When he has an injury free season he stuffs everything out of sight, if he been luckier with injury earlier on he could have won 4 or 5 times at the Festival already, rather than 2 wins and a third (the latter when having interrupted season, and falling foul to Overturn/RockonRuby front-running tactics being allowed too much rope. This season he wins his 3rd Champion Hurdle, against a strong 2nd season hurdle division and therefore rockets higher into everyones thoughts as a great. |
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Brown Jack and sir Ken should be remembered.
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gl with d jacobs imo,ive had a nibble on ruby ,ch hrdle 4.5.
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I am not sure all these group events in Ireland do justice too the class?
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Arklearkle - I don't totally disagree about Timeform, but they haven't rated a hurdler higher or "greater" than Night Nurse in 76/77.
nb - after calm reflection, not sure what Big Bucks very best T rating as a staying hurdler has been  |
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Brave Inca at his best would push these two to their limits
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Istabraq.
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ima ruby grade1 wins,125+
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Ernie - Which two? Sublimity and Flakey Dove
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Brave Inca was a very good horse , prob unlikely to beat Istabraq especially but would on his day put it up to them. Theres not many out there who could do that.
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Katchit , Punjabi , Hors La Loi III , Collier Bay......not all been superstars have they ?
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GAY GEORGE the best not to win the Champion Hurdle and virtually unbeatable on firm ground. Never seen a horse jump a hurdle as quick in my life. RIP.
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Keep Your Bowels Open....
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If I remember rightly aberdonia Mighty Mogul was moved to David Nicholson where it had a few wins before breaking down and was pulled up in its final start. I don't think the owners rated Mark Pitman as a jockey so moved all of their horses away.
deadbrain59 30 Dec 13 20:43 ima ruby grade1 wins,125+ Yep seems about right deadbrain59 but wonder how many he's been beaten in? |
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ap,70+, grade 1 wins.wonder how many he wasbtn in,thats a negative,d jacobs about 9 grade 1s,
,wonder how many he was btn on . |
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Why do people insist on calling him Jacobs, when they know full well that is not his name?
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I see that Collier Bay is dismissed as a poor winner of the CH and it is true that he only had one good season. On that one day though he was very very good. Alderbrook was considered the banker of the meeting but CB jumped brilliantly and used Mysilv as a pacemaker to the top of the hill before just destroying the field with Alderbrook the only one within 2.5 lengths and Pridwell and Danoli 6 lengths and more further back. He remains my biggest ever win on a horse race in money terms so I have a soft spot for him.
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Have seen most of the hurdlers mentioned in this thread in the flesh & have to admit I find it hard to call one over the other; Comedy Of Errors, Night Nurse, Monksfield, Istabraq, Hurricane Fly - all brilliant on their day. Sea Pidgeon was a personal fav but probably fell short of being considered best.
Golden Cygnet may well have topped the lot had he not been killed. |
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none of them would have gotten See You Then off the bridle until half-way up the Cheltenham run-in
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