please accept my apologies!

Ok, as an act of good faith, I shall.

But be warned, I expect big things when you return from re-schooling! Take an open mind...big help

Who knows? We could be buddies.

THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON 23 Oct 13 12:01 
Oh and Black Caviar wouldn't have lived with DayjurLaugh The ORACLE strikes again Laugh Cuckoooo Cuckoooo

A typical reply from someone with nothing better to come back with.

So would it be hypothetical of me to say Usain Bolt would beat you in a a 100m race?

Just as it is patently obvious that Frankel would have slaughtered Black Caviar at a mile but the million was on offer for them to meet in the Sussex Stakes but only one set of connections were willing to go for it......Although there must be some sensible Aussies after all then when Peter Moody backed down.

Dayjur would also have beaten Black Caviar no problem when a horse like Society Rock that was nowhere near Dayjur's class can give her 6L start due to not being ready when the starter let them go and still only be 2L down at the line. I would say Royal Academy was at least as good as Moonlight Cloud and Dayjur beat that horse on the bridle whereas BC fell over the line against MC. RA went on to win the Breeders' Cup Mile and MC was well beaten in it.

Plus it's OK for you Aussies to claim BC is the best sprinter ever without the need of "time-travelling" to back it up but we're used to the constant double standards from your lot on here.

Fortunately or unfortunately whatever way you want to look at it you joined in late Cantthinkofaclevername and you won't be aware of the double standards from some of the Aussies in their various guises probably supporting their own views under different user names and twisting things to talk up their own and do down everyone else's.

This all really started when a few of the more arrogant ones were telling us So You Think and Black Caviar was going to come over and win by a street in their races but when SYT beat Workforce and Snow Fairy in the Eclipse and it was pointed out those were really 1m4f horses, that was us making excuses but as soon as SYT got turned over, they did their double standards trick and made every excuse under the sun for the horse, including O'Brien can't train and Moore can't ride.

Black Caviar was apparently the best horse in the world and they were more than happy to use the World Thoroughbred Rankings to support that view when she topped then until Frankel then topped them and suddenly the rankings were meaningless. Well meaningless until Frankel retired that is and Black Caviar topped them again. They were also telling us she was the best horse racing and we would see that at Royal Ascot when she would win by a wide margin doing handstands, until some of us whilst freely admitting our sprinters in the UK weren't great but it would still be a test for her as Ascot is a stiff 6f and she had to prove she could win as well outside of Australia from global opponents. They were telling us she had nothing to prove though and then Frankel hosed up in the Queen Anne and BC fell over the line in her race we were suddenly told Frankel had to prove he could win outside of the UK.

Then it became BC was better because she had won at more than the one trip (so had Frankel) and on differing courses (so had Frankel) and that Frankel only keep beating the same horse Excelebration all the time and ignoring the number of times BC beat Hay List, even though Frankel beat something like 70 odd different horses, including from half a dozen countries but was only a miler. Then when he won at 1m2f he had to win the Arc at 1m4f and they constantly moved the goalposts after each of the horses wins. You also earlier had half of them wanting Frankel to drop down to 6f and face BC and the other half going up to 1m2f to face SYT and according to them, both would have beaten Frankel as again he was only a miler.

Did you notice too the inference that Dayjur wasn't really a GB horse because it had US in brackets after its name despite being training in Britain by a GB trainer and ridden by a GB jockey? Yet they are more than happy to consider So You Think (NZ) as an Australian horse. Or what about Frankel only won the QA by 11L because he went for home early (and that's a bad thing because?) even though he went at the 2f to go post which you would expect anyway.

clueless Aussie trainers

Just as it is patently obvious that Frankel would have slaughtered Black Caviar

Dayjur would also have beaten Black Caviar no problem

Black Caviar was apparently the best horse in the world 

Aussies  to claim BC is the best sprinter ever


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at any time.
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synonyms:    at any time, at any point, on any occasion, under any circumstances, on any account;


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at all times; always.

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Still waiting for the definitive result...

1871    The Lamb    9    11-05    Mr Tommy Pickernell    Chris Green    Lord Poulett     11/2    9m 35.7s

and

1963    Ayala    9    10-00    Pat Buckley    Keith Piggott    Pierre Raymond     66/1    9m 35.8s


allowing for all factors, of course.



Seek help!

i think imamug is having problems opening wikipedia

No Wiki required.

A whirring, twitching, blinking, snorting session on the shhitter with head in hands............

with a blurt and a fart......out pops THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER........to anything

and everything

We seem to be going over old ground here Megsy clear winner lets all move on please

awww crow

Are you, HappyValley?

You seem a good egg

I know where the egg is!

All over his face

faces

No point. You haven't crossed into the pompous dribbler zone.

It's nice you've been appointed as their carer.

Are you a recovered sufferer of the condition, or just a good egg?

Anyway back to the grown up stuff, any sources for what Carson and Moore were supposed to have said?

Know your retaining information problems mugsy, I can't really trust you to remember to retain what was said and repeat it accurately.....In fact your information retention problems are so bad that you probably haven't even retained the fact that you have an information retention problem.

ohh, i nearly forgot, heres the link


http://betting.betfair.com.au/betting-tips/horse-betting-ryan-moores-ascot-wrap-300612.html

Possibly but I hope you had your gum shield in as it was one that landed on your own chin because just as I suspected, no source for the Willie Carson comments and I was well aware of those Ryan Moore ones as I had read them before when you posted them up, but once again you have had trouble retaining what he said as I see nowhere him saying what you claimed he did. What he actually said was and I'm copying and posting from your own post here too:

"Sitting in the weighing room before the race, I was genuinely concerned that she may get beaten"

but that entered your head and in fairness to you, you tried hard and probably did your very best to process it but it came out as, and again I quote you here as Ryan Moore supposedly saying:

megsy 24 Oct 13 01:05
"....and thought she would definately get beat after being in racing for 6 long months."

I'm wondering too if you have got confused about what Willie Carson said as I do know he said this anyway:

He remorselessly breaks his rivals' hearts, yet possesses such stunning early pace that Willie Carson has suggested that even his great sprinting partner Dayjur might have struggled to keep tabs on him.

By Richard Forristal irishindependent.ie

Monday May 21 2012

The "he" is a bit of a give away and the horse in question was Frankel.

As for more of your made up nonsense and fantasies regarding Black Caviar, she wasn't "continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race" she was jig-jogging on her toes and flicked a hind leg out once in the parade ring after her tail brushed against her as shown at around 40 seconds here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhple0182oE

and can you please tell us exactly when any injury was supposed to have occurred during the Jubilee if you are so sure she was injured during the race itself, which furlong post markers was in between for example? I know I've done to death before how the jockey rode her up and down the course again in a victory parade and didn't dismount as soon as he pulled up, so there was obvious no indication to him of any injury during the race but mugsy reckons he knows when it happened?

For all you know any injury could have happened overnight from getting cast in her box or when turned out in the paddock and as for her racing schedule, she ran her last race in Australia prior to Royal Ascot on 12th May and the Ascot race was on 23rd June, which by my reckoning is about 6 weeks between races. Prior to that she ran on 28th April and before that twice in February on 11th and 18th, so she has no problem winning twice in 7 days but it's supposed to be a massive problem to win twice in 6 weeks is it?

Before you say she had to travel too, that's not in doubt but she arrived here on 8th June so she had over a fortnight to get over the journey and to settle in before racing. She rarely had more than a decent blow-out in any of her Aussie races and being a sprinter it's not like she had a few gruelling 2 mile staying races before coming here either.

I think I can safely say that's me having knocked the gum shield well and truly out of your mouth and you left crawling on your hands and knees, desperately trying to focus your mind and put it back in again.

lol,lol,lol..imamug you are the most dim witted C.U.N.Tuesday ive ever come across, now you claim you read what Ryan Moore stated after demanding i present proof he otherwise said it,

yes you would argue that the sky is blue


so guess what, im not bothering giving you wee willys statement, find the ****a yourself, after all, you only believe your ventriloquist  wee willy puppet

i gave myself one on the chin? ffs


give yourself a K'O for being an ignorant dim witted, C......., you wouldnt know the @rse end of a horse, you proved it ...AGAIN


Pssst 7 wins from 11 starts ...what happened to the other 35% of his races? he got beat and a pathetic 3 group 1 wins, yeah he was englands best sprinter, but not the worlds, a true bred sprinter like manikato would have had him for din dins,dayjur always fully ridden out in his wins too and  after all, you english know it alls claim you dont breed sprinters, they are failed milers 

become a believer, admit it imamug, she did a job only a freak could do.


SPOON makes your arguement so full of shyt, watch it in awe, and see how much of a goose you sound saying,

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As for more of your made up nonsense and fantasies regarding Black Caviar, she wasn't "continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race" she was jig-jogging on her toes and flicked a hind leg out once in the parade ring


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZA70fu4aXc

SPOOON...watch the one i put up....great viewing of a tired cranky horse

I've no idea who would have won between BC and Dayjur.

Thank goodness, you're not pretending to KNOW

have been magnanimous if Megsy and Spoon had acknowledged

I know absolutely nothing of the horse, CTOACN so I'm not qualified to even offer an opinion. Give me a pass

ooops the latter was 3rdly