Frankyfish, dear demi still in the cup, great run staurday. best run from saturday was jet away, they keep saying he ran 2 miles in that mile and 1/2 race and and finished close up 4th.
just needs to settle.

does not take much to win a group 1 in europe, might drug myself up and have a crack actually

**** drug infested **** racing, **** doing their money day in day out

arabic camel owners making millions

LOL....Not sure why Ye@ts has been censored as **** ffs.

yes sea moon was an average horse, can you explain starting favorite against these AVERAGE horses you are so full of it


21 Jul 2012
« 4:35 » King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes Sponsored By Betfair (British Champions Series) (Group 1) .
(Class 1) (3yo+) 1m4f Good To Soft
£567,100.00, £215,000.00, £107,600.00, £53,600.00, £26,900.00, £13,500.00

WATCH RACE - 25p .RESULTRATE RACE.Show all comments in running Show all pedigrees.      HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR   
 
«  1 4   Danedream (GER) 9/1   4 9-4  P Schiergen  128 * * » 
b m Lomitas - Danedrop (IRE) (Danehill) A Starke
   
 
«  2 3  nse  Nathaniel (IRE) 5/2  4 9-7  John Gosden  126 * * » 
b h Galileo (IRE) - Magnificient Style (USA) (Silver Hawk) William Buick
 
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«  3 8  1½  St Nicholas Abbey (IRE) 5/1  5 9-7  A P O'Brien  124 * * » 
b h Montjeu (IRE) - Leaping Water (Sure Blade) Joseph O'Brien
     

 
« 4 9  hd  Reliable Man 20/1  4 9-7 t A De Royer-Dupre  118 * * » 
gr h Dalakhani (IRE) - On Fair Stage (IRE) (Sadler's Wells) Olivier Peslier
   
«  5 6  ½  Sea Moon 2/1 Favorite  4 9-7  Sir Michael Stoute  124 * * » 
b h Beat Hollow - Eva Luna (USA) (Alleged) Ryan Moore
   

 
«  6 2  1¼  Dunaden (FR) 8/1  6 9-7  M Delzangles  118 * * » 
b h Nicobar - La Marlia (FR) (Kaldounevees) Craig A Williams
   
 
« 7 10  ½  Brown Panther 20/1  4 9-7  Tom Dascombe  117 * * » 
b h Shirocco (GER) - Treble Heights (IRE) (Unfuwain) Kieren Fallon
   

 
« 8 7  10  Deep Brillante (JPN) 20/1  3 8-9  Yoshito Yahagi  118 * * 
b c Deep Impact (JPN) - Love And Bubbles (USA) (Loup Sauvage) Yasunari Iwata
   
« 9 5  ½  Masked Marvel 25/1  4 9-7  John Gosden  119 * * » 
b h Montjeu (IRE) - Waldmark (GER) (Mark Of Esteem) Frankie Dettori
   
« 10 1  40  Robin Hood (IRE) 100/1  4 9-7 v A P O'Brien  99 * * » 
b g Galileo (IRE) - Banquise (IRE) (Last Tycoon) Seamie Heffernan

should i also add that average horse you claim,SEA MOONbeat in the past

Midday…6 time group 1 winner

Sarafina …3 times group 1 winner and defeated Cirrus Des Aigles

Al Kazeem……3 times group 1 winner and defeated camelot


and started hot favorite twice against st nicholas abbey.


after viewing all this and the give me weight he has been given in the melbourne cup, he might be the horse to follow. though under WFA scale not one european horse has been given WFA or worst, strange that considering you have the best stayers ( claim ) in the world.


but i wont educate you further imamug, you dont know the difference between a WFA group 1 and a handicap group 1

SecondComing 22 Oct 13 03:43 
Sea Moon started 2-1 favorite in that king george, you left that bit out.

And?

Is that how it works then, the favourite horse in the race is always the best horse? Sea Moon had up until then never won a Gr1 in the UK and was later well beaten in the Gr1 Arc too. SNA had already beaten SM in a Grde 1 in America and was a multiple Gr1 winner in the UK, Nathaniel had beaten SNA in the King George the year before and so on related form lines had the beating of SM and Danedream won the Arc doing handstands and was it a course record at the time? All of those finished ahead of SM in that KG and their previous form entitled them to, the betting is just bookies/punters forming an opinion. Do all favourites win in Australia then?

megsy 22 Oct 13 04:23 
yes sea moon was an average horse, can you explain starting favorite against these AVERAGE horses you are so full of it.

You really must enjoy making a tw@t of yourself as where did I say Sea Moon was average?

Let me see if I can break it down into even smaller pieces for you to try to comprehend. Here is what I said:

"Yet when our average ex-UK horses go over there and win and/or put up a good show it's because your Aussie trainers have improved them and nothing else. "

So where is the name Sea Moon mentioned there?

If I'm talking about average horses and Sea Moon has won Gr2 races here and when it was first mentioned the horse had gone down there, some oposters were rightly saying it was a better class of horse than the average one usually being sold to do so, then its hardly average then is it ffs? Having said that, Khalid Abdullah doesn't tend to sell his very best ones anyway and keeps those for breeding, but I apologise for putting too much on you to work out that by using the word average I wasn't talking about Sea Moon and should have realised I was overtaxing you to come to that conclusion all by yourself.....Oh and you know the bit where I also said your trainers have done their best to ruining horses like SM and Masked Marvel by initially running them at trips far too short, see if you can work out whether I consider that as improving them or not.

This might come as a revelation to you too but when you stick the letter S on the end of a word like horse, well that then makes it a plural and means it's more than one such as Bauer, Jet Away, Glass Harmonium, Glencadam Gold, Manighar, My Quest For Peace, Julienas and so on, none of which would be anywhere near the top flight when racing here. 

LOL @ you supposedly educating me on anything. I know full well the difference between proper Gr1s and your Mickey Mouse Gr1 handicaps and I've even said previously (but you will have had trouble retaining it) that a Gr1 that is a handicap is a contradiction in itself. Gr1s should be for the very best horses and all should carry the same weight bar age and sex allowances so that the range of weight carried is compressed in direct relation to ability. When that isn't the case then that's exactly what handicaps are for, to level the playing field based on weight carried by the better horses at the top end of the scale down to the lesser ones at the bottom. It should be either or and not both.

Why do you think they have weight divisions in sports like boxing or handicaps in pro-am golf tournaments? Would it be a fair fight for the number 20 ranked heavyweight to fight the number 1 ranked middleweight? Or how about if a amateur golfer playing off a low single figure handicap plays in The Open, should they knock shots off at the end of his round?

Winner has already be declared, please move along

LOL....you have earlycrow embarrassingly saying winner already declared despite megsy still struggling with the fact I didn't call Sea Moon average and he continues to struggle with it despite me confirming I never said that by coming out with this gem:

megsy 22 Oct 13 06:32 
Do all favourites win in Australia then?

NO ...but to start favorite against your top liners doesnt make the horse ( sea moon ) average, it tells you something, have you ever won a race?....i would be suprised if you have with your stupidity reasonings, excuses, etc etc etc you bring up everytime.

You're not very bright down there are you? Oh and accusations excuses and reasons for defeat coming from the Aussies who find plenty of both every time one of there's gets spanked over here is ironic beyond belief.

Also once again I'm having to spoon feed you megsy considering you have oversimplified matters and not looked at the bigger picture (it's never good to be premature by the way either earlycrow) but you asked about stayers and then listed 2 horses that aren't stayers that Sea Moon beat in American. That race was 1m4f and I would have thought you could even worked out the easy stuff yourself such as in general the colts tend to beat the fillies and Midday and Sarafina are both fillies, which is the exact reason they get the sex weight allowance and they would have to be exceptional to beat the boys and decent as they were, they weren't exceptional.

Now we get to the bigger picture stuff that needs breaking down for you and we look at the trip and you mention Midday is a 6 times Gr1 winner, so care to tell us how many times at 1m4f? Or what about how many times she beat the boys? She ran 6 times at 1m4f from 23 starts and whilst I appreciate you have difficulty grasping the fact that an odd run here or there at a trip doesn't make that a horse's specialist trip, she also ran 11 times at 1m2f and of her 9 wins, 5 were at that trip and her 2 wins at 1m4f were against her own sex only, meaning the 4 times she tried 1m4f against the colts she was beaten. Much the same applies too to Sarafina where she only has 2 wins at 1m4f in a 11 race career, with one being a Gr2 4 runner race and the other being that neck defeat of CDA in a 5 runner field where races can often be run tactically with the French style of racing pace. That American race also came for both fillies after a busier season than Sea Moon and was their last ever runs and so they didn't really have much to lose.

Sea Moon also beat Al Kazeem at 1m4f in a Gr2 and whilst it's obvious that horse has improved passed Sea Moon with age, (hence the 3 Gr1 wins for AK and none for SM) once again AK's 3 Gr1 wins were all at less that 1m4f which is a trip it has only ever won at once before and wasn't at the highest level of Gr1, but has won several times at and around 1m2f, all of which kind of fcuks your (non) argument a little over the American race unfortunately for you, as when a decent horse that prefers one trip is disadvantage by racing another at that one's preferred trip and gets beaten, it doesn't really lose too much in defeat due to that disadvantage, as was the case with the miler Moonlight Cloud against the sprinter Black Caviar over a sprint distance.

My passive aggressive reply ComingSecond? Are you for real? I really couldn't make the point any clearer ffs!

And please don't embarrass yourself by converting fractions into winning change percentages as whilst that might technically be true, 2/1 isn't really Evens or 50/50 in betting terms like Evens or 50/50 is on a two possible outcome result like the toss of a coin. There were 10 other runners in the race and Nathaniel was priced at 5/2 (so not great difference) and I'm a great believer in only asking horses to do what they have done before, so given the choice of a previous CD/winner of the race like Nathniel that is also a multiple Gr1 winner or Sea Moon with no Gr1 wins at the CD and no Gr1 wins at all, then I think I know which one I'd prefer to be on and that's before even taking into account another horse I the line up that has already beaten Sea Moon and is a multiple Gr1 winner too at the trip and plus another that hosed up in the Arc also as a rival.

Have you never heard of the concept of opposing favourites with weaknesses? There are numerous people making their living on here by identifying poor favourites ffs! And since you talk of ratings in that King George race, SNA was rated the same as Sea Moon on 124 despite having previously beating him and both Nathaniel (126) and Dandream (128) were rated higher and not surprisingly all 3 (plus one other) as previous Gr1 1m4f winners finished in front of a horse that despite going off as fav had not yet achieved that feat.

Either way though my own argument was with the claim about SM being one of our very best stayers and if that isn't the case then it could have gone off odds-on in that race, still been well neaten and it still wouldn't apply......Oh and Sea Moon didn't start Even money fav anyway ffs, so stop making a total pr1ck of yourself.

Hitting Megsy with a wet lettus leaf after the bell, now that's embarrassing

well i'll be fcuked imamug now is a medium, knows what Khalid Abdullah thinks has no idea how muck LW payed for sea moon

imamug states fillies in general dont beat colts, so midway and safarina wernt exceptional for this reason

imamug states midway couldnt run 1m 4f even though she ran 25% of her races over that distance for 2 group 1 wins

and imamug states black caviar beat a miler who when she beat moon light cloud hadnt won further than 7f


pssst, let you in on a little secret about fillies, atlantic jewel, black caviar, treve, moonlight cloud.....getting the picture?


maybe i should put a bib on you and play eroplanes with your food, your dribbling so much shyt its beyond the joke

still awaiting the mediums top 10 stayers

Still having trouble retaining info too as I've already cover your pointless 10 stayers thing but how much did Khalid Abdullah get when he sold Frankel to race in Australia?.....Oh wait a minute. Plus exactly how is stating the obvious and saying Abdullah doesn't tend to sell his best horses but holds on to them for breeding make anyone a medium when that's what he's does? You might think that makes me a medium but if you think he sells his best ones (do you think he really needs the money?) then you're clearly a thick! Do you even know what Juddmonte Farms is ffs?

Look up the names Beat Hollow, Champs Elysees, First Defence, Frankel, Mizzen Mast, Observatory, Oasis Dream and Rail Link and spot the Gr1 races they won and then look up how many Sea Moon and Jet Away won. Then see if you can work out which ones he sold on and which ones he stood at stud.

Thanks TINS for your response. It seems like a custom and practice thing. I know they have Grade 1 handicaps in the US but they are handicaps in name only as the weights are set by the track official and there is very little weight difference between the key protagonists. There are some group race handicaps in the UK but the highest level have group 3 status.
I must say I am finding this cheap point scoring on both sides rather childish and tedious. We have been lucky to witness some wonderful horses in recent years, why don't we just delight in their majesty rather than having pointless arguments as to who is better. eg one of the fastest horses I have ever seen was Dayjur but how it would have done against BC no-one will ever know. All we can ever say about a horse is that, at their proven trip, they were the best of their generation.
So can we please end this squabbling.

the USA bred Dayjur didnt win many by a fair distance ( 2L ave ), won 7 from 11, 3 group 1's only  and was always ridden out, i would say BC at least 3L as wee willy carson is on record as saying, BC was better, how much better, we never will know.


but then again imamug says all fillies and mares are inferior to male horses



now im moving on.


ps, frankel wasnt a stayer and im asking to name the top 10 stayers running at the moment, not yesterdayyear


now im moving on

The most boring man on the planet v the most clueless mug........what joy......

Come down Coming Second......tell Mugsy piles or no piles it's his turn for the vaseline up the crack.....

How refreshing to see someone suggesting they don't understand something and asking genuine questions. Happy

Thing is oh great 1 I've done that - and you amongst others were civil and answered a few of my questions for a few months. However I then made the fateful mistake of saying I though BC would win (at Ascot) but not find it as easy as you lot thought, gave my reasons and was told i was talking nonsense and then watched you amongst others repeat exactly what i had said (as reasons for not looking impressive) but called me an idiot for saying so days earlier!
Ever since then you for 1 have been especially childish towards me and no matter what i say you instantly insult like a true child - please do carry on as it really is very amusing for everyone I'm sure.
Canthinkofausername - it is entirely up to you but I wouldn't bother asking TINS etc for much advice as as soon as you say anything they don't agree with you are an idiot for life - even (as i tried out) if you repeat word for word what 1 of them (tins) said weeks earlier he calls that rubbish if I repeat it! They also seem to find it impossible to tell when one is being serious and obviously taking the p so going over to the aussie forum is like shooting very big fish in a very small barrel a lot of the time and the best thing is they don't know!

Oh and Black Caviar wouldn't have lived with Dayjur The ORACLE strikes again Cuckoooo Cuckoooo

Do you read what you write? How embarrassing...unless as I suspect, you have an "illness"


Sphyncter and ImaMazdaBongoVan clutching and bleating for respect.

Pathetic.


and sad

c ock

Good god - you really are truly think aren't you - you think i need to google a misspelling of 'sphincter' to find out about it? What a quaint simpleton you really are - I thought it was an act - please accept my apologies!