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By:
scaredmoney
When: 18 Jul 13 17:04
and the rest he just wasted LaughLaugh
By:
BIG GURU
When: 18 Jul 13 17:56
LaughLaugh
Salmon you always seem to know what's going on here,are you saying you've never read any posts relating to Jock McCracken and knew who he was in relation to different user names?
By:
salmon spray
When: 18 Jul 13 18:38
I was completely in the dark Big Guru.
Think you mixing me up with Delta       Wink
By:
BIG GURU
When: 18 Jul 13 19:23
Thanks for replying,i think just about every regular apart from yourself knew.
By:
salmon spray
When: 18 Jul 13 19:39
Looks like it        Blush
By:
know all
When: 18 Jul 13 19:42
racing post
By Graham Green 6:33PM 18 JUL 2013

A LAWYER handed over savings of £17,000 after initially responding to a horseracing betting mailshot in the name of John McCracken, a court heard on Thursday.

Giving evidence at Lewes Crown Court, Julian Prus said he received the brochure, which promised "magnificent profits", in April 2006 when working for the Crown Prosecution Service.

He said: "I went for the maximum [subscription], which was £1,000; the reason for that was the brochure referred to a horse called Exponential. This horse was 100-1 [before being backed down to 8-1 in landing a major gamble at Nottingham in August 2004], so I thought McCracken had a gift that no other racing tipster could offer."

Prus was given a telephone number to ring to get tips, which he described as "initially quite poor", but said they "started to get better".

He went on to tell the court that several months later a message was left on the recorded tele­phone service related to a scheme to import stallions from Australia who could be sold for four times their purchase value in England.

"The recorded message invited you to call an office number," he said. "Then I spoke to a couple of very highly manipulative people. They said could you do £20,000. I said, ‘No I can't, I haven't got it'."

Prus eventually invested £16,000 and admitted he left himself "rather short" in doing so. He said that after that, "nothing happened". There was no call from anybody about the investment and in September he started telephoning "various numbers" he had for McCracken.

After persevering for about a month, Prus said he finally got somebody on the phone, recalling: "They said be calm, keep cool, it's in the process of being sorted out."

Prus said he spoke to someone about three times, who gave his name as John McCracken, although he had no way of verifying whether the person was who he said he was.

Prus said he told McCracken he wanted his money back and that otherwise McCracken could face legal action. "He said he didn't really care about the consequences of legal action," he added.

"What he actually said was, ‘I have been in and out of prison before. I don't give a f***'.

"He said he lived in Spain but all his assets were in the UK. He said he worked for a group of very unscrupulous backers, that he was a victim as much as I was, and that these backers had made his life hell."

Prus was sent a cheque for £2,000 as a refund but did not see the rest of his money.

McCracken, 47, from Brighton, is charged with conspiracy to defraud between April 30, 2003, and February 13, 2008, along with co-defendants self-employed John Brice, 40, of Hove, and Matthew Thole, 40, a company director from Cardiff. They deny the charges.

The trial is scheduled to resume on Monday and expected to last another two to three weeks.
By:
know all
When: 18 Jul 13 19:45
well what can you say a lawyer
By:
Meyer Lansky
When: 18 Jul 13 19:58
IF the Lawyer was any sort of a racing fan you would have thought he would have read in the Sporting press about the Exponential "gamble" and the fact it was Patrick Veitch who was behind it.
By:
startedOct2000stillgoingstrong
When: 18 Jul 13 20:25
nice story:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/'The+coup+was+organised+down+to+the+finest+detail,+so+that+the+horse...-a0197764812
By:
homefortea
When: 18 Jul 13 20:35
Never plead guilty if you ever get caught...

The trial is expected to run for another two to three weeks...!!

The Jurors who will not be the brightest (they are on the jury after all and could not find an excuse to bunk off) will take another week to find the man not guilty as they will not have a clue what is going on....
By:
Ozmugpunter
When: 18 Jul 13 23:11
"I thought McCracken had a gift that no other racing tipster could offer", said our learned friend.
What? The ability to fix races?

Extraordinary that our man is working for the Crown Prosecution Service of all places when he signs up to the scam - you're meant to be sending these people down, not cavort with them, Sunshine.

Even more amusing is McCracken had the breathtaking temerity to play the victim. Phil must have been pinching himself upon discovering so many numpties lining up to give him their money.
By:
swift-tuttle
When: 18 Jul 13 23:35
We live in a free capitalist society, some people have made themselves very wealthy by choosing the right investment at the right time. You may wonder why seemingly intelligent people fall for scams like these.
Perhaps the explanation is that there is a pressure in our society to get the most from your money, to make it work for you, to secure your future in a big way. It does happen, some people become wealthy by choosing the right schemes.
If an intelligent person is, at a certain time in his life, relatively cash-rich he may feel that the current low interest rates are simply not doing him any good and he arrives at a conclusion that he needs to take more risks in order to become really wealthy. So he has to make choices and this is the real difficulty, with hindsight he probably wished that he sat tight and contented himself with a low return.
By:
Deltâ
When: 18 Jul 13 23:46
2006 rates were high ...


2013 rates are low ....
By:
Deltâ
When: 18 Jul 13 23:48
2012    2.80
2011    2.75
2010    2.80
2009    2.21
2008    5.09
2007    5.55
2006    4.68
2005    4.92
2004    4.56
2003    3.73
2002    4.00
2001    4.31
By:
salmon spray
When: 18 Jul 13 23:51
Where are you getting 2.8 Delta ?
By:
casemoney
When: 19 Jul 13 01:31
Australian Stallions and brighton ? are we sure we are talking abiout horses here ?
By:
mange
When: 19 Jul 13 06:59
Plenty .............down-under in Brighton.................
By:
sparrow
When: 19 Jul 13 08:38
Does anybody work for a living in Brighton?
By:
motley01
When: 19 Jul 13 09:24
Oh look I see Delta is back on the thread eh, giving interest rate information now eh,
or are you "helping people on here for nowt, how is your mate Mccrooken getn on, do you think eh?
is he just unlucky to be in the dock.

And where's little Saddo gone eh, he seems to have lost his way to the forum, or maybe he's just
popped out to sign on. Little saddo could you tex your mate Mccrooken, and ask him what happened to that £10k,
did he just fcuk off with it.

I note on one of your posts, you described me a vile person eh, is that compared to you and your fellow
sewer rats underclass mates eh.
By:
BIG GURU
When: 19 Jul 13 09:47
mutley,you seem very angry,did you loss money in this "scam"
By:
saddo
When: 19 Jul 13 09:50
And where's little Saddo gone eh Laugh

You want to see how little I am pm me and we'll meet for a drink, any time to suit you.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 19 Jul 13 09:53
It's been a while since i invited someone for a drink on ere..

Nearly happened in the Cricket yesterday mind..
By:
salmon spray
When: 19 Jul 13 09:57
Is the expression a euphemism ?
By:
saddo
When: 19 Jul 13 09:58
Genuine offer, ss, I would like to meet him.
By:
salmon spray
When: 19 Jul 13 10:00
Not sure I would.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 19 Jul 13 10:01
I'm middle aged, SS..
By:
salmon spray
When: 19 Jul 13 10:14
I remember a story about two guys who were arrested for beating each other with their walking sticks from their wheelchairs. I believe they were both in their late 70s. They were in a Yates wine lodge in Liverpool though.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 19 Jul 13 10:21
I though that wouldn't go above yer head, SS.

Them blob shops have a lot to answer for..
By:
koikeeper
When: 19 Jul 13 14:06
motley01 19 Jul 13 09:24
Oh look I see Delta is back on the thread eh, giving interest rate information now eh,
or are you "helping people on here for nowt, how is your mate Mccrooken getn on, do you think eh?
is he just unlucky to be in the dock.

And where's little Saddo gone eh, he seems to have lost his way to the forum, or maybe he's just
popped out to sign on. Little saddo could you tex your mate Mccrooken, and ask him what happened to that £10k,
did he just fcuk off with it.

I note on one of your posts, you described me a vile person eh, is that compared to you and your fellow
sewer rats underclass mates eh.


motley, you seem to know a lot, were you once a "sewer rat"?
By:
kennythebetboy
When: 19 Jul 13 16:18
Very considerate of the Judge to give everyone the day off today ...... he fancied a long weekend and so did the jurors ...... no doubt all sunning themselves on Brighton beach and bemoaning the fact that this trial likely to last as long as the good weather ,,,,,,,,luck of the draw.
Seems there is some bad blood or past vendettas being played out on here ........let it be said, I have had no run-ins with anyone involved in this case, or posters on this site, to cause me to lose any sleep .......... I just want the true facts published about the Court Case and not some editor's spin on the so called sensationalism and exaggeration to make headlines and sell papers ,,,,,,,DevilWinkWink
By:
motley01
When: 19 Jul 13 22:03
And i'll scrap any time you say, little saddo
By:
hello :-)
When: 20 Jul 13 01:33
Be wary mot , saddo was a well known figure around perth car park back in the day
By:
dj876
When: 20 Jul 13 08:18
I wonder will the pool game feature ,,,,,,
By:
JEFKA
When: 20 Jul 13 09:48
choice of weapons
By:
saddo
When: 20 Jul 13 09:59
I'll discuss owt on a forum but screaming at faceless people aint for me, we've taken it private, nowt to see here.
By:
JEFKA
When: 20 Jul 13 10:05
Keeping it private is very selfish of you. Stick a cage up and go for it. I'll collect the entance fee for a small commission. Grin
By:
chavman
When: 20 Jul 13 10:43
end up moving in together and adopting a ruandan child.nap.
By:
THE-GHOST-OF-DICKIE-BIRD
When: 20 Jul 13 10:47
Chavman.

You ready for work next weekCool
By:
salmon spray
When: 20 Jul 13 10:48
Grooming thread.
By:
chavman
When: 20 Jul 13 10:49
weekend of relaxation at the moment.primed and ready dickie.like a coiled spring
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