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By:
sv
When: 22 Jun 13 21:26
Yeah dj racing only...its not always perfect if you wanna back the front runner you have to take a smaller price but as long as you know what you want its fine....for me its better than the Pc.
By:
onlooker
When: 22 Jun 13 21:26
Money Tree cost me thousands!!     22 Jun 13 21:23

Any of you used the fixed odds?
-------------------------------

LOL Grin

He just posted ....

"find myelf having 1100 at 7-4 instead of 1k at 2-1(Betfair) etc.

Don't think the Sportsbook accomodates such bets. Grin
By:
rcing
When: 22 Jun 13 21:26
yes , i used the sportsbook , once .
i tried placing a bet but kept getting a message saying error or something , i couldn't figure it out until i reduced my stake to about £1.20 , then it worked Sad
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 22 Jun 13 21:28
Im suspicious of there sportsbook as they must know who wins on here and then act appropriately, stinks imo
By:
dj876
When: 22 Jun 13 21:31
SV,Thanks
This must be a very recent development(as in the last week)??Do you trade in running via an offset or take a position and hold it??
What kind of stakes are you getting matched in running on the purple??€€
By:
turnip turns
When: 22 Jun 13 21:34
just tried to use **** and am getting a white screen,have they changed their address ?
By:
dr . atkins
When: 22 Jun 13 21:37
people i know have gone to purple but have now come back to betfair because of no money on there. if you use your head there are ways around paying tax you know just ask mr carr
By:
GandalfTheGrey
When: 22 Jun 13 21:38
Sportsbook is a joke, won't lay a bean and what they do lay, it's to the amount that's available for them to have back immediately at bigger on the exchange, also why would they let a regular exchange winner paying PC, run loose on the sportsbook free of commission.

Firmly believe that the premium charge is only because they have UK punters by the rocks, due to the fact that they can't get on in a traditional bookies anymore due to FOBTs.

Folks on here complain about the traditional bookies, but from what I've seen, these counts are a lot worse, screwing what they know is a captive audience over and not even providing a watchable race service on most days.
By:
racingstar
When: 22 Jun 13 21:38
There is no In Running on BDaq.
Ihth
By:
LuckyLouis
When: 22 Jun 13 21:40
Wish I could win enough on here to have to pay the PC Sad

Tell you what TINnotaTON if you can show me how to do that I'll gladly pay both mine and your PC
By:
sv
When: 22 Jun 13 21:40
No dj no trading, i just put my back bet up and cancel it if no-one is nibbling at it...i often wonder who is matching mine because it gets matched alot more than you'd think and maybe Purple are doing it...but it is miles better than it was.
By:
rcing
When: 22 Jun 13 21:44
sv , you are probrably getting matched over there when the price here is bigger .

bots are probably set up to lay your bet there and back it on here Confused
By:
TINnotaTON
When: 22 Jun 13 21:47
you would soon get p1ssed off paying it louis i assure you.
yes i win over the long run and if i feel something wont win i lay it. prob a combination of judgement and a lot of luck over time.
By:
sv
When: 22 Jun 13 21:49
Yeah rcing thats very likely but i 'm just doing what i always done and doing ok...its not as good as pre-PC..but its better than with it.
By:
sparrow
When: 22 Jun 13 21:49
The trouble is a lack of belief in the exchange concept by the present managements of both exchanges. In any event Horse Racing no longer appeals to younger punters and we shall just see a steady decline.
By:
3setpoints
When: 23 Jun 13 02:05
how much do you make betting on horses OP?
By:
JetLoneStar
When: 23 Jun 13 02:19
Yet to pay PC, but as soon as I get the message, I'll disappear like a thief in the night.
By:
gnashersblackpool
When: 23 Jun 13 04:14
would love to know how peple can win at such a good strike rate without faster pics or inside info.
it takes some doing to win at such a high strike rate.
By:
elise
When: 23 Jun 13 05:49
tin, if it's a new daq account you should get zero comms to start, but if you've had the account for a while email them & explain what's happened and your experience on here, tell them you're moving and ask them if they would give you a zero or reduced comms account to start you off, they are often quite willing to help out

it's worth a try, might save you a few quid while you adjust
By:
mengmeng
When: 23 Jun 13 06:50
yep email them first asking some random question and mention you are from here, will get 3 months zero commission atleast, they are quite helpful as been said
By:
THE-GHOST-OF-DICKIE-BIRD
When: 23 Jun 13 06:53
I would be over there like a shot, but i do my punting on a pre paid card that way i keep my betting(investing as i like to call it!) money and "real" money seperate, also by using the pre paid card IFThe red mist was to descend after a bad beat i cant just reload and fire again, i have to wait a day.

I am very disciplined in to as what i do but this is just a safety buffer in case.

But sadly **** wont accept pre paid cards for some reason and i aint for changing what has worked for me for years just because of that.

All the best over there.
By:
TINnotaTON
When: 23 Jun 13 09:37
just read the last few posts and have already asked, but thanks for the info. i will get first month comm' free then 3% then on, like someone mentioned on an earlier post, betfair have people by the b0ll0ocks and treat them accordingly, hopefully and it's a big if, we need a level playing field for competition to give this lot a reality check, but anyway,fcuk em.

all the best....
By:
Born Unlucky
When: 23 Jun 13 09:43
I've been using Daq for a while now. For racing it's fine for the stakes I play at, £20-£200. The limited markets in other sports have also done me a huge favour, I'm hopeless at football betting and I've saved a fortune since moving thereBlush.
Best of luck with it TIN
By:
TINnotaTON
When: 23 Jun 13 09:50
thanks mate, i know there is enough liquidity, especially on the big meetings, limited markets wont bother me at all and i dont bet most days. will take a few days for me to get the funds in, as ive had to withdraw by cheque.
By:
elise
When: 23 Jun 13 10:05
this is where this charge is wrong

when they started with the original pc there were not that many people affected, but even then we were saying long term it would rope people in over time that really were not in the bracket of big winners

when they revamped it a couple of years ago they spread the net further, people that don't have fast pics, or bots etc are now going to get picked up quicker just for having a bit of an eye for a price or knowledge of their sport

those that say, it won't happen to me should be just as vocal, because short term you're going to find it harder and harder to get value or an early price because the layers and market makers are not playing now

longer term, if you win you'll also fall under the charge, so get wise and make them understand it has to change
By:
roo
When: 23 Jun 13 10:12
Bang on elise, ive been using duck for about 2 years , im a layer and generally its ok, the ir isnt very good but you can dribble bits and bobs in at times, its better than 2yr ago.
By:
elise
When: 23 Jun 13 10:18
i don't mind paying a fair whack as a big winner, i can understand that, but it's out of proportion & unfair
esp when small winners or those that make a small profit over a long time period get sucked in

the problem now is this is a line on their p&l, they can't just say to share holders we're knocking x mill off the bottom line, they have to change it and replace it with something that maintains profit whilst not affecting liquidity or member numbers, sadly that is going to be bloody hard to come up with and i don't envy them in trying to find it

in the meantime we are spiraling to a slow death
By:
elise
When: 23 Jun 13 10:21
and betfair, when you read this ...

there's never been a more important decision to be made in the history of this company, you're losing the goodwill of the very people that created this place and you are turning them away

right now you should be talking to them, discussing how all parties can work together to put this place back on track before it goes t1ts up
By:
Deltâ
When: 23 Jun 13 10:59
also elise, most/alot of top companies rely on Customer recommendation/referal for new customers - it a proven winning systems -

because of Betfairs treatment of existing customers - I know of NOT ONE who would recommend it!
By:
elise
When: 23 Jun 13 11:21
yes, but it will hit crisis before they do anything, they are scared now, caught in the headlights syndrome
By:
toronto44
When: 23 Jun 13 11:49
Ordinary winning punters should not be paying Premium charge.Professional or not if they are smart enough to win,why should Betfair who already make huge profits take a cut.But I agree with Bot users,in running thieves and bookmakers paying premium charge.They are parasites who use the site as a business,not as punters playing on a level playing field.
By:
Amanda Hugnkiss
When: 23 Jun 13 11:55
elise
23 Jun 13 10:05  people that don't have fast pics, or bots etc are now going to get picked up quicker just for having a bit of an eye for a price or knowledge of their sport.

Hoorahh,

Nail on head.

There are loads falling into this category. Yet many think it's just bots, fast pictures etc.

IT ISN'T.....it's just people who are half decent at what they do getting penalised for being any good.
By:
Rueben
When: 23 Jun 13 11:56
An interesting six months ahead - Ladblokes (Betduck) to scale up their operation ready for a full launch in 2014 must force Betfairs hand to do something differently to save their business from terminal decline.
What about faster pictures for the ATR tracks (a possibility)? What about a change to Premium charge (has to happen)? What will kick start Betfair and get them back on track while satisfying shareholders ?
Lets hope the management team are not going to concentrate all their efforts on being a watered down version of 3 6 5 and realise before it is too late what they have let slip through their fingers.

Last one out turn off the lights ...
By:
TINnotaTON
When: 23 Jun 13 12:37
some good points made here and like others who have left or people who are still on here and paying this charge, i couldn't leave in silence. hope it is right about ladcrooks and it forces changes as this cannot go on, my profits are from my 10 years on here, i haven't won every year and my gains have been slow and steady, but i choose to bet, take risks and take the extra income and im being penalised for it...
By:
swift-tuttle
When: 23 Jun 13 12:50
one thing occurs to me

if all you really good at what you do merchants go to the daq

who are you going to win off?
By:
OilyWragg
When: 23 Jun 13 13:12
You wont win as much on **** thats for sure.
By:
TINnotaTON
When: 26 Jun 17 18:00
wow, just over 4 years to the day when i wrote this post and after 2 spells with purple and some time back dealing in shares, now back on here. been back about 3 months now and already racking up the charges, b@stards. almost £300 this week after us open and royal ascot. no choice, betd@c is as awful now as it was years ago, no maybe it's improved 1%. got sick of battling with their pr team over why there liquidity on most markets is so ****. other's may share a different view, but the difference over there on most markets is criminal. is anyone still here who posted 4 years ago paying charges now !!! and if you left have you come back after finding out it's a waste of time over there.
By:
Deltâ
When: 26 Jun 17 18:19
most on this thread have since gone bust, as has their waist line ...
By:
TINnotaTON
When: 26 Jun 17 18:25
but not you delta Wink
By:
sparrow
When: 26 Jun 17 18:33
What were you up to on my greyhound forum thread delta?
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