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shocked myself, that's a big big price for a horse of this ones quality
I'd of thought it shouldn't go unbacked
I'd of thought it shouldn't go unbacked
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the fav is a completely false price, don't see how it can be priced up at 7/4
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agree, just the usual stable slow start a bit offputting.
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I think the price compensates the worries
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The form of his last 5 runs is above what is needed tomorrow, always worry about the stable and form around this time.
If only we knew, the price indicates that he will not run to form.  2/1 chance imo |
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is he still on the rambo biscuits though?
9/2 is mental. 2/1 fav on last years form.. |
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He's a handicap winner.
There's a classic winner in the line up. 9/2 is plenty short enough. |
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Halling won handicaps before becoming a genuine champion
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what's funny?
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yer man saying he's only a hcap winner...
the worry is Saaed is 0-15, and 13 unplaced since they had to stop the mrs cullen's powder.... |
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have they not had a winner today ?
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I like Cityscape myself. Can't be having the favourite at the price. Can't see any group 1 level form that he's produced.
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Hippie must be fishing.
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I must have missed something.
What has he won besides handicaps? |
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5/1 just screams a large e/w bet for me. @hippie - his form behind SYT and Nathaniel are both sufficient for a win tomorrow
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i just see this as lay the favourite myself
unless I'm seriously misguided he is clearly underpriced based on form |
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Maybe he will finish 2nd hippie.
Cityscape is my reserve. |
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haven't updated to todays results.
Ehtedaam won 4.05 Nwmk. In 2012 he had a lot more winners/placed at this time. |
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Farhh's form behind SYT and Nathaniel was over 10f, his form with Frankel makes him almost famous by association and he couldn't beat a sprinter over a mile.
Beauty Parlour is a classic winner that was favourably compared with Divine Proportions. I'm hoping for a big run from her. |
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yes the French filly is a major player too
that's why I'm laying the fav, there are at least 3 live contenders to beat him |
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Absolutely agree 9/2 - 5/1 is great value for this horse.
Goes well fresh, Pivotals have no problem with prevailing going (contrary to popular opinion) and trainer has excellent record in this race (Creachadoir in 2008 and Alexandros went very close in 2009 - would have won if Frankie hadnt dropped the whip). Favourite is a false price based on O'Brien exploits in Derby trials. |
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like this horse when he followed Frankel home every time
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Farhh is a lay for me at a mile as I don't think it's his best trip but he's a very good horse at 10f and whilst he will still beat lesser milers when it's their specialist trip, unless he has improved over the winter then I can't really seeing him beating Gr1 milers at a mile.
If they concentrated on 10f and maybe even had a go at 12f then they have a very good horse on the hands. |
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who are these g1 milers you speak of ima ?
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It was a general observation Ibrahima Sonko both past and future as far as I see Farhh's worth at a mile and although he has won at the trip, that was only a handicap and in the past has been beaten by the likes of Frankel and Moonlight Cloud at a mile and although there's no shame in that, but I'm just not yet convinced on what I've seen so far that Farhh is up to winning a Gr1 at a mile and whilst the current lot of milers might not be a vintage lot, at least the likes of Cityscape has still won a Gr1 at the trip, so if Farhh was to continue to be campaigned at a mile (which I think would be a mistake) then he would also have to face some of the Irish and French milers as well as the classic generation too, or at least in mile races where all ages can oppose each other anyway.
I personally think Toronado will show himself to be very decent once not having to try to make a race of it with Dawn Approach any more, I don't think Van Der Neer's 2000gns run was a fluke and Sky Latern and Just The Judge looked decent in the 1000gns and we might well see a few of the other classic generation come on with a bit more time and maturity under their belts too. |
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beauty parlour , massive price
fav will drift tomorrow and I expect BP to come in markedly , if not I will be in the s hit theirrrrrrr OFF good luck tho one and all |
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Moonlight Cloud is a G1 miler given a clear run, Cityscape and Farhh are the ones to beat on that form. They are also rated 8 lb clear of Beauty Parlour which was found wanting twice before. Fav is rated 112 can't back that myself. Farhh to place at 1.9 is my play, Cityscape might just edge him out. Good luck all.
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I think it's a bit too soon to be writing off the fav (DOW) even putting supposed Coolmore hype to one side. Only beaten once (on debut for AOB) behind a proven group race winner, he's progressing nicely and being lightly raced, has a lot of improvement in him. He's got a bit to find on the ratings, but there's no Frankel in opposition and the likes of Farhh and Cityscape wouldn't be high on a list of top quality milers over the years. 10 of the last 13 Lockinge winners have been 4 year olds. I'm not suggesting DOW is anywhere near as good as AOB's last (and only) winner of the race, but I certainly wouldn't lay him.
At 3.4 i'm happy for him to carry a few bob of my hard earned  |
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Saeed bin Suroor commented: "Farhh had a small chip removed from his ankle after he ran in France and we gave him time to recover.
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the trainer does worry me, I'm starting to think Bin Suroor couldn't train a dog to bark
dangers look like Cityscape who's a high class animal on his day and Beauty Parlour if Cecils worked his magic an got her back to her best I think it's a bit too soon to be writing off the fav (DOW) even putting supposed Coolmore hype to one side how do you suppose to put the hype to one side, the price is a pure reflection of the hype itself nothing else |
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Can agree with most of that ima (apart from Toronado), but this is a good starting point as it is usually a weak g1.
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Massive looking price on Farhh. Would be a multiple group 1 winner if not for Frankel. Goes well fresh, good jockey, looks like an e/w bet to nothing here.
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Any race Frankel was declared for scared off any genuine opposition and allowed lesser horses to run into places.
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maybe a fair point, but still 5/1 ??? Gotta have that.
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He had a operation(he is now bionic)
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Rusty
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not inspiring
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who said that?
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crisford more or less telling us not to back it there...i was on but im off now.i shared all the above optimism but not now
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