Question mark over Black Caviar as steroids saga takes new twist
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So you are saying that Peter Moody knew that the English were pumping their horses full of steroids and about to turn the industry upside down?
Quite possibly. The positive tests occurred on April 9th and don't forget who the chief exec of the BHA is. Paul Bittar an Aussie. Wouldn't have been beyond the realms of possibility that he tipped the wink to connections of Black Caviar when it became clear what was about to break with Godolphin because people were inevitably going to delve deeper. If they'd come over here with Black Caviar this year every press conference would have been spent fielding questions about steroids. Really wouldn't have been worth the hassle for them. |
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Bit like Triple H or The Rock competing in the Olympics at Greco-Roman.
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I wonder was So You Think pumped to the eyeballs just before coming to these shores aswell
And off course he returned to Australia at the end of our season aswell , and didn't it do three group ones in a month in the autumn which is mental by anyones standards |
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The improvement Peter Moody got out of the ex Luca Cumani Manighar always baffled me, not least back at 10f.
That horse also won 3 G1s within the space of a month. |
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Yes that's another one
So You Think didn't win three , but to be able to train for and contest three group ones in under a month shows abnormal tolerance to racing I remember thinking at the time it was unusual to treat a class horse like that at the highest level |
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Glass Harmonium another if I remember correctly.
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So you think took in the arc , champs day and breeders in just over a month
then returned to Australia "for breeding purposes"  |
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By the way....but if people feel this strongly about out of competition doping being legal in other racing jurisdictions then why not do something about it.
Unless you're Marty McFly you can't change the past (or the wierd Professor for that matter). So seems a bit silly to me to hate on Black Caviar. But you can do something about the future...you should be organising yourselves and petition Ascot not to allow All Too Hard to compete at Royal Ascot. Make a big thing of it. Get it out into the spotlight. I'm not saying to go all renegade and don Baraclavas and throw yourself infront of All Too Hard when he comes thundering down to the furlong pole well clear of the field (although if you do please let me know before hand as I'll want to get my inrunning 1.05 lays in). But you should really make a point about this to the BHA and the Ascot officials.....Out of Competion is banned in this country and the horse possibly will have a decisive advantage at Ascot vs the locals. If he wins and builds a legacy like his big sister then ITS YOUR FAULT for not speaking out. Also we should be bringing Graham Motion into the argument as Animal Kingdom has never been doped in his life and shining example to what is achievable. ---- just my thought on this matter... |
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Are you sure about Animal Kingdom EG? He has spent a lot of time out of training and returned big and strong after many injuries. I know he wasn't on medication in Dubai but does that mean he hasn't been in the US?
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LOL about Animal Kingdom
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team valor have strict rules on it...none of their horses take it.
-------------- Team Valor clarify Animal Kingdom steroid status Tuesday 30 April 2013 By Geoffrey Riddle Team Valor International have moved quickly to clear up any doubt as to whether Animal Kingdom has received anabolic steroids. The son of Leroidesanimaux has come back from serious injury twice in his career and was off the track once for seven months and once for nine months after which he ran second to Wise Dan in the Breeders’ Cup Mile. The Dubai World Cup-winner and 2011 Kentucky Derby victor is a best-priced 4-1 with Bet365 for the Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot. “Animal Kingdom has never received anabolic steroids” said in a statement to RacingUK.com. |
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Maybe Black Caviar was clean when she raced over here, but maybe that was the only time she was clean, and maybe that was the only time that she ran below par ?
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Best get a petition up quick and present it before racing at Ascot tomorrow !!!
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She would have been clean on race day over there. Plus she often ran in quick succession in Australia so steroids would have had to have cleared her system before the first of those runs.
There is a little pattern of 3 quick runs then a couple of months off on a few occasions though. Let's be honest it's highly likely she was given steroids at various times during training. It's within the rules and they'd have been mad not to do it with that being the case. |
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EG I wonder what Godolphin would have said at the beginning of the season about their horses?
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If you look at a lot of Australian horses a pattern emerges of 3 or 4 quick runs then nothing
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You certainly get some unquantifiable Results in Australia. ....
Look at this from last Saturday - FIORENTE Runner-up in the Mile and a Half King Edward VII and Gordon Stakes, for Luca Cumani Goes to AUSTRALIA - finishes runner-up in the 2 mile Melbourne Cup NEXT time out - after 5 Months OFF the track ..... Finishes like the proverbial TRAIN into 3rd - in a 7 Furlong Group ONE - beaten just a couple of lengths by Black Caviar's half-brother - who is said to be coming here to win the Queen Anne. An absolutely ASTOUNDING - and unbelievable - performance ! |
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Have a look at what glencadam gold achieved in the uk class 3 hcp win and beaten 52l by nathanial
over to aus and its winning a G3 a G1 and beat 4l in Melbourne cup Those guys can improve em alright  |
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WOW how do they do it!.....They do have a gr1 every week though....one for everybody in the audience..  |
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bit of europeasant seething going on in here, what's the matter lads, can't cope with the fact the Aussies have a far superior brand of racing?
it's all well and good to look at a picture and say "oh!! that horse is on steroids!", could of easily done the same for when the English turned up at the last Olympics and bettered themselves by a significant margin, what's the difference? maybe you should do what you did then and take on our style of coaching to better your dead and buried horse racing, when's the next tour de ascot being run? it was never a factor until your biggest racing stable got done for blatantly cheating, now you need to something to fall back on truth is, you can't fall back on anything because whilst our rules allow it noone here can say with cold hard facts that any of our sprinters were drugged in attempt to get them to be the size they are, just because they are bigger then your horses don't mean jack looks to me like the antipodeans have outdone the prestigious brits, once again got anything else to say? so far you've all said the same boring sh1te, might go paint the wall and watch it dry or something, far more entertaining them talking to you dweebs |
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So are we supposed to believe that was the first time Godolphin had ever had an out of training test?
I for one definitely believe it. |
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without question it's the first time the stable has been tested, 25% of runners test positive?
that's not a fking mistake |
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Anaglogs still envy of black caviar, you dream of her all the time or you eny anything australian ?tell me, is the horse you are riding on steroids or are you, see pic  |
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"Steroids increase bulk," Moody said.
"Black Caviar was a huge mare, from the day she was born. It would have been absolutely counter-productive." Moody said Black Caviar was tested 24 hours after she arrived in the UK and three days before her win in the Golden Jubilee Stakes Moody took a swipe at "lilywhite" English trainers. "They bang on about steroids but they are the first to use Lasix when they campaign horses in the US," he said. Lasix is an anti-bleeding drug outlawed everywhere bar some states in the US. "Maybe the Poms might start looking at themselves rather than looking at us," he said. In response to The Guardian's request for information on Black Caviar, the BHA said: "There is no evidence to suggest that horses trained from outside Britain competing in this country have done so with the benefit of anabolic steroids. There has been no positive for anabolic steroids. If there was one, the horse in question would be barred from running."' |
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So maybe we now know the real reason why she didn't show her "true" running at Ascot and struggled at 6f to beat 7f and mile horses and how Society Rock lost 6L on her at the start and still managed to get it down to 2L at the line. Maybe Ascot was her real true running and the other times they were untrue!
Plus I know things are upside down for Aussies but that logic (or lack of) from Moody is laughable when not only do many European horses not race on drugs in America but even the odd few that have done so have not been breaking any rules if doing so........when in Rome and all that. I always though Black Caviar looked a bit of a disappointment at Ascot and nothing special and that proved to be the case. Sheikh Handsman Al Mac's Tomb I think it's pretty obvious she's been doped up to her eyeballs throughout her career along with Choisir and Takeover Target to name but 2 others. Let's hope we make the rules clear and simple, if you've not got a clean passport you're not welcome. And let's hope Khaled Abdullah doesn't let Black Caviar anywhere near Frankel. She'd probably want to go on top or use a strap-on on Frankel. :p |
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Wasn't she injured at Ascot?
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So they say.......maybe without the drugs she overtaxed herself eh?
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You obviously have little idea how steriods work.
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Make that steroids.
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Forget that question about European horses on drugs in America. You couldn't even answer how many in Britain are breaking the rules, because they don't test. They have just started testing and found 25% of the biggest stable in the world doping their horses, so the reality is far from the image you are all painting.
Moody has come out and stated that there was no steroids for BC. None of you have proof of the opposite. Think you will find the only real use of steroids here is due to injuries, and probably a fair bit of bulking up yearlings for auctions. Certainly a far cry from every trainer having a strict steroid training regime.. rotflmfao.. Reach hard boys, reach hard.... |
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Is it possible for any horse/athlete to go further/faster than it has ever acheived before without stimulants,watching the mundane racing on a daily basis you have a lot of head scratching moments "where the fcuk did that come from" makes you wonder.Remember Ryan Price and the "self dopers" makes you wonder.
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ima_mazed66 Date Joined: 12 Oct 09
Add contact When: 01 May 13 07:21 So maybe we now know the real reason why she didn't show her "true" running at Ascot and struggled at 6f to beat 7f and mile horses and how Society Rock lost 6L on her at the start and still managed to get it down to 2L at the line. Maybe Ascot was her real true running and the other times they were untrue! maybe the 2011 St James's Palace Stakes was frankels true running, maybe he was on jellybeans uh?? you are so full of it, take a newspaper with you next time your sitting down and read the funnies, you certaintly aint getting knowledge reading the racing pages. english racing is more or less had it, what now since your cotton wool kids gone into retirement. you have nothing, absolute nothing, except drug cheating trainers and others who whinge when beaten inside their own little turf. |
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Agree with megsy,just because they allow it in Australia does not make it right.
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It is claimed that the benefits may last for months,the art for the cheat is knowing how long they can use there drugs before a race date without it being detected,and it seems that that may not be a long period,Certify was tested positive.
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Benefits have been known too last for 6 months once use was stopped,BjT? the fact that a quarter of the stable was tested positive i find more than a worry,the fact that it was the Godolphin(shake mo outfit) and very expensive ones too even more so.
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"Those who think the use is widespread and creating freaks of nature really need to do some more reading. They just sound ridiculous".
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