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The end is nigh for in running...
The end is nigh for in running...
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The BF "Cross Matcher" is definitely "taking out",imo.
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This isn't an upliting read...
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It would be a surprise were it not racing star. Not right but not surprising either.....
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What does the BF cross matcher actually do - does it beat the 1 second delay?
e.g. if two different players try to back two different horses at 1.8 for £1000 at exactly the same time does it? 1. Match them both at evens going them best price? 2. Match them both at 1.8 and pocket the difference? |
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You may have answered your own question,froggy.
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Thread title should read "The end is nigh for in running mugs that needed their huge time advantage now there is a more level playing field "
You will notice all the scaremongering is coming from track players. Been hearing every year since around 2007 that the game is up yet every good player I know that was making money back then is still making decent money now. Of course it has got harder,people have gradually got better and the track thieves are getting found out for what they are.The liquidity is down,the mug liquidity that is. The good players whether that be at the track or at home will continue to make decent money, the ones that were reliant on their time advantage will get stretchered out. Technology was always going to catch up with you lot in the end. |
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What is very clear is that the easy money from fools has long gone. There were times that even on ATR I managed to lay horses in the process of pulling up!
There are still some players not familiar with Irish colours and again even on ATR you can lay some fairly short who are simply not going to win. If you have knowledge of the running style and riding style of horses that interest you it is possible to make modest money sat at home but it has without doubt got tougher. My emphasis has moved more to laying well backed horses early on in the market and waiting for the drift back which happens on a regular basis and if not placing in play keep bets which are leading to nice steady profits. |
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Jamesdean,
It has absolutely nothing to do with the "time lag" on RUK being reduced. Lack of Liquidity is the real reason. |
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Can only report on personal experience as a play from home (RUK and LV) type, but although the markets do LOOK different (smaller amounts to back or lay, bigger gaps etc) I have not noticed any difference in getting matched/results recently for what I do.
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i saw last week one evening, there was 40 odd games inplay on the soccer but only 3 or 4 had 20k or more in them. how on earth can you trade with such poor money available, to top that the new website has bugs galore and their email response times are non existent
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their monopoly is slowly being torn apart
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andyl
21 Apr 13 23:51 Joined: 28 May 02 | Topic/replies: 1,832 | Blogger: andyl's blog yes away meetings...never found ruk turf tracks so hard to play Racingstar that above comment to me suggests the time difference to these track players is making a difference. It might not be the main difference but it is certainly a factor. Liquidity of course is another factor as is pc. As Ged has said above he hasn't noticed any real difference and he like me and many others are not playing or used to playing with an advantage. Like I said the fittest will and are still making decent money, the guys that relied on their huge advantage are getting stretchered out. They can blame the pc or liquidity but the truth is although they might not have been happy paying it they were still content to do so. Now the game has got harder,time advantages diminished and people got better the excuses are starting to flow like the river Thames. Ask anyone who was making money 4 years ago without a time advantage if they are still making money, my guess would be 90% still are. Ask all the track players if they are still making as much now it's more of a level playing field and my guess would be a lot less are. They are getting found out left right and centre. They are not winning like they used to in the early days so instead of admitting they are just thieves they blame everything and anything bar their lack of ability. |
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gerard's blog
Can only report on personal experience as a play from home (RUK and LV) type, but although the markets do LOOK different (smaller amounts to back or lay, bigger gaps etc) I have not noticed any difference in getting matched/results recently for what I do. Agreed, I haven't changed what I do too much down the years. The last 3 months or so have probably been my most successful ever. No end from what I can see. There is clearly less money about and we all know the main reason. But still enough in the markets to do ok. |
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I was out of the game for 2 years and I much say it is way harder now even with ruk faster,smaller stakes and tiny profits
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I'm not trying to get big bets on so maybe that's why I don't notice much difference but the idea that only good track players are/will be able to make a decent wage is wrong. Unless you have a warped idea of what a decent wage is.
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On course boys are `thieves' LOL.
What era do we live in? Maybe in the old union days it was `after you claude' stuff, but dont think it was. Do you ask for the slowest possible tv pics and internet connection James so you can be level with those who cant be bothered travelling/installing the best equipment? |
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Thinly veiled "I'm not as good as I thought I was" thread.
In-running will continue, only your profits are dying! |
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ATR 2 seconds ahead of my BF Video for the Hexham 4-00.
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Then you need to refresh your BF video.
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Thx G
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4 sec ahead here after F5
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It cannot be done
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Got to say there is some bs on here - mainly from dead money imo.
Plenty of opportunities in the markets - As has been said before those banking on time delays are the ones to suffer. - no strategy beyond time delay - bye bye............. The in running markets are going nowhere - only the fittest most disciplined and wise will survive. Evolve or die. |
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People like Wazza will always make loot at in running cos he's disciplined and a decent judge, also got the balls to do what he does. Andy is 100% right the PC is the main reason for decline. You now are backing at 1/2 an evens shot. Greed is the root of it. As the players fall away they will realise it but won't give two hoots cos they have made their money. When the PC came out I was talking to Wazza and he said no one would leave , and he was right. There was a great opportunity for people to do it but they wouldn't change colour
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there is still a living to be made from in-running,just not as good as it used to be
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That just about sums it up,Beard.
The reason is simple,there is not enough Liquidity. End of subject. |
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There's an awful lot of, what seems like trying to find excuses
The liquidity levels may have dropped to levels seen at the beginning of the decade. But the liquidity levels for everyday, run-of-the-mill midweek meetings has dropped to levels, not seen for quite a few years before that. This is by far the main reason and the greater risks taken by people LIQUIDITY |
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What a mess Betfair have made of this. Should have been one of their strong selling points as bookmakers can't offer this service and it does provide extra entertainment even if you are not profitable. Surely they should have done more to keep the playing field less of a slope (esp. ATR).
I've being doing in-running from Home for a few years and I'm finding it more difficult to win and certainly there are some races I no longer bother with. |
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RUK don't help with their new 12 month contract and Betfair should make LV cheaper not more expensive.
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Is there much difference in liquidity between ATR tracks and RUK? i'm only a small and occasional player nowadays but won't even bother logging in this afternoon as everythings on ATR.
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Welcome home Master Warwick.
Full recovery or is it still in a sling? |
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howard-how can you make LV cheaper than nothing?
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LV a fiver a race isnt it?
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4 bets a day thats 20 quid.....far from nothing
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lay for a fiver at evens---back for a fiver at evens
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Back the fav for a fiver, lay it back at the same price or a spot worse and it costs you pennies. Lay it back at shorter and they are paying you for LV!
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sharp minds
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Liquidity HAS dropped
reasons Original players have become better over time so PC has limited them or killed them Poor players dropping away and not same amount replacing them less money spread over vastly increased fixture list and larger amount of horses aswell Shift from horseracing to higher volume sports like football and tennis Peoples view of racing in general is that its crooked so liabilities shorten and a lot don't bother General effect off recessionary measures , less disposable income etc And just a general evolvement of the product from its start when everyone was new to it and learning to today when most are experienced Hard to fix , but they could start by marketing the product to new customers and dropping the amount off PC would be the best way They still have the original and best product out there but im not sure where they want to go with it , Im not a big player like some but even I have seen there is a limit to what I can safely invest now in most horseracing markets , you just cant get out with the ease you used to be able to now |
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Thats the trouble Beardy. Mugs don't do things like that. They don't even think about it. As soon as it's "brain required time " you've lost the masses.
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Notice that there are no comments from Koo... on this subject, he will soon have to sell his string if IR is as bad as some make out!
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