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How many horses murdered this week?
How many horses murdered this week?
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i will add , i'd be very wary of anyone who likes seeing pain purposely inflicted on animals
they are also very likely to do the same to their own children and partners imo |
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more care
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rothko - folk who care about animals are not likely to come from a background where they arent going to care about children ,it stands to reason - flawed argument
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Coach, erm, why exactly does a male calf have to die in order to give you milk to put in your coffee???
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because they are surplus to requirements at birth
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Not always.
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really so the plight of racehorses is the one theyt are going to fight on
the most pampered animals ever |
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i did have this same discussion (about racing) with someone the other day who eats intensively farmed chicken
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No, that's not 'the argument in favour'. We've given others. However, what we'd like you to say is whether you'd be happy with thousands of horses being killed off? (Because that *is* what will happen if people like you get your way and jumps racing is banned.)
Some horses will die now, yes. But it's not about the horses. It's about society. The society in which we live, our civilization, exists in the ways it does because of the values it is built upon. And it boils down to power. What do we do with power? Do you want to live in a society where power is used to inflict suffering? It's why dog fighting is banned in this country. It's why we treat our prisons with respect (even if they deserve none). It's why we have restrictions on sports like boxing (even with freedom of choice, it protect the innocents). |
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Isn't training a dog cruel? why train them just so they behave themselves to make their owners life easier?
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Dog fighting is vicious and savage. Horse racing, for the most part, isn't. That's why we still have one but don't have the other. Most racehorses seem to have very contented lives. That, to me, isn't brutality or abuse of power.
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Thats the problem brother Mr A seems to be able to ignore all the suffering caused to pet dogs because he gets benefits from having dogs as pets however wants to tell those who own race horses what they should be doing because it won't affect him and reassures him that he is a considerate soul who cares for animals.
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.. much suffering goes on to provide us with staple goods - clothes made in the 3rd world for example (modern slave trade)
food suppliers living in poverty because our UK supermarkets don't pay enough UK suffering (workers on very low pay and bullying tactics in the NHS for example) I think we all conveniently overlook things that don't affect us directly - maybe we are all hypocrates  but i applaud Mr Angry for trying to make a difference ,but HR is really tip of the iceberg stuff MAngry, but an easy target never the less |
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nothing crueler than mother nature ......and what about the luvly fluffy cute wee lambs running and springing around ? should they be taken into social care before they are silenced and rubbed in mint ?
liverpool is the place the fight is being staged as the lefty brigade dont like the lower classes taking part ...it irks with them they want to take horses away from the man in the street ,horses are for toffs they think ,although in ire and many parts of the uk this is simply not true ,they dont like the lower classes participating in the sport of kings ,they want to end it . |
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Agreed. It's a very imperfect world. But if you think that horse racing is one of the cruelest aspects of the globe, your priorities are rather flawed.
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any sort of animal fighting is barbaric
the grand national has become as safe as they can get it and i totally supported the ditches being filled in and the levelling off of the fences |
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breadnbutter - have heard this class argument before and i don't really get it - it just shouts of class envy if you ask me (i'm not a toff myself btw )
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Coachbuster...
I have read surveys where it has been proven that people who care about animals and live in a small family unit are more likely to commit incest and other illegal practices.The cuddling that goes on is not restricted to the rescued family kitten.Normal people who have had animals recognise that some die and some are to be eaten.Those who get too attached are more likely to read the Guardian and form alternative views.... |
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Agreed. It's a very imperfect world. But if you think that horse racing is one of the cruelest aspects of the globe, your priorities are rather flawed.
Of course it's not one of the cruelest, nor the most important. But it easily fixed. |
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It's very hard to say that somebody who loves animals will turn into X or Y. Plenty of serial killers used to torture mice and dogs as children. On the other hand, plenty of people who love animals have, conversely, a very low opinion of humans. It's probably a mistake to generalize too much.
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Thats the problem brother Mr A seems to be able to ignore all the suffering caused to pet dogs because he gets benefits from having dogs as pets however wants to tell those who own race horses what they should be doing because it won't affect him and reassures him that he is a considerate soul who cares for animals.
That's a good point. In justification for owning an animal, I don't inflict suffering. I water, feed and exercise them. I have trained them to behave (as I did my children). I don't shove a cattle prod up their backsides to make them do things they don't want to do, nor do I whip them to force them to run faster. |
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of course coachbuster its just a means of dismantling the percieved uk class system ,as per the labour hunting ban ...no doubt some real geeks get taken in and think it is actually about animal welfare
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Depriving thousands of animals of the good chance of leading a long and rather pleasant life is a very stupid place to start Mr A. I can see it's pointless speaking to you about this though, so I won't bother again unless you actually have a point to make.
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so I won't bother again unless you actually have a point to make.
Oh come one! Four pages of points! |
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Mr Angry has trained his pets and children...
Bring on Social Services toot sweet the man is a control freak...!! |
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it is NH racing ...even though many tracks are now calling it jumping
 them daft lefty loonies thought they had stopped emm hunting but its still tally ho ....does anyone know the true origin of the national ? why it was run ? |
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'On the other hand, plenty of people who love animals have, conversely, a very low opinion of humans'.
_____________ that will be women of a certain age where the bloke has walked out for a dolly bird |
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Okay, maybe I will bother just a bit more. Lots of people do inflict suffering on dogs, so the fact that a good number of dogs live pleasant lives shouldn't blind ourselves to the countless miserable ones.
And I do have conflicted feelings about keeping dogs as pets myself. Dogs are sociable by nature, and yet many are unhappy for large parts of the day because their owners go out and leave them alone for long periods. My boxer used to pine when I was out of the house - I know that because once he mistakenly thought I had gone out, and plus the neighbours told me he would whine for decent periods. Many dogs raised as pets will feel excluded from their 'human pack', either by being shut out of the bedroom, or left alone rather than being taken out for trips with the rest of the family. Even when we care for our dogs, there's a good chance the dog won't be entirely happy with its unnatural lifestyle. |
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it is NH racing ...even though many tracks are now calling it jumping
them daft lefty loonies thought they had stopped emm hunting but its still tally ho ....does anyone know the true origin of the national ? why it was run ? And the same reason why hunting was banned. Not because the fox was culled, but because people were getting pleasure from having the fox hunted and culled (and culled by dog). Pleasure from causing suffering. Society cannot advance like that. |
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He posts a picture of himself that looks like she is hard...
He usually posts his libral b ull s hit on the football forum... A sad pathetic individual who should not be allowed to post. |
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always used to leave radio 2 on for the dug when i went out but now cruel and causing undue suffering ..... switched to 909
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That's a good point. In justification for owning an animal, I don't inflict suffering. I water, feed and exercise them. I have trained them to behave (as I did my children). I don't shove a cattle prod up their backsides to make them do things they don't want to do, nor do I whip them to force them to run faster.
Did you have them castrated? Do you pull them around on leashes? clearly they don't have a choice when you train them you treat them as your property and assume power over them so that you have a better life? Do you feel justified in doing this because you feed water and excercise them (like the Romans did to the slaves)? How can you tell you are asking them to do something and not forcing them. Do you think the risk of your dogs ending up with someone who would cause them suffering is an acceptable one just because it means that you have the choice to own an animal to entertain you? Many racehorses don't suffer as your dog doesn't some racehorses do and some dogs do. |
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My ex-dog didn't pay much attention to music at all. The one exception was Julian Lloyd Webber. If ever the dog heard a cello, he'd start to run around howling and biting his tail... Strange animals, dogs...
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And I do have conflicted feelings about keeping dogs as pets myself. Dogs are sociable by nature, and yet many are unhappy for large parts of the day because their owners go out and leave them alone for long periods. My boxer used to pine when I was out of the house - I know that because once he mistakenly thought I had gone out, and plus the neighbours told me he would whine for decent periods. Many dogs raised as pets will feel excluded from their 'human pack', either by being shut out of the bedroom, or left alone rather than being taken out for trips with the rest of the family. Even when we care for our dogs, there's a good chance the dog won't be entirely happy with its unnatural lifestyle.
Yes good point. That's why we bought a second dog (a rescue animal), so they could keep one another company. Not perfect. I don't have the answer to that. You could argue that zoos inflict suffering, but without zoos some species may become extinct. Nothing is perfect. But deliberately inflicting risk of death is indefensible. |
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I used to have a dog that would bite anyone that read the Guardian or was a teacher...
Loved that dog...RIP Thatcher.... |
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Well there is an answer to that Mr Angry. If you're unhappy about it, stop dogs from being kept as pets. That's a simple answer. The fact that you might be going out of your way to avoid problems for your dog doesn't affect the fact that many owners take a very different view. The only way, according to your own logic, to prevent the suffering of the minority of dogs is to stop the whole thing.
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Well there is an answer to that Mr Angry. If you're unhappy about it, stop dogs from being kept as pets. That's a simple answer. The fact that you might be going out of your way to avoid problems for your dog doesn't affect the fact that many owners take a very different view. The only way, according to your own logic, to prevent the suffering of the minority of dogs is to stop the whole thing.
Again, another good point. They are "caged" animals in my own personal zoo. Had I the choice again I would not have kept pets. And I believe this habit will die in time too. |
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Well at least you're consistent then. Fair enough. I don't agree with you, but we're all entitled to our own opinion. My personal credo is that I wouldn't inflict on another animal something I wouldn't be happy to accept myself. Personally, I think the lot of a racehorse sounds pretty good compared to the alternative option of not existing at all, so I'm happy with it. Personally, I'd like to see the number of runners decreased, although I'm content with the difficulty of the fences.
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You are the Worlds best wind up merchant Mr Angry..you certainly had me going.That will be no animals in the World left at all then..
I have to go now to have my sides stiched up. |