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How Many horses will DIE in todays race in the name of enjoyment

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By:
Stevie Gerrard
When: 06 Apr 13 13:29
here's some stats 100% of all animals will die.
the only thing your conscience needs to worry about is what was
their life like up until that point. racehorses have a very decent life.
By:
Sparrow Hawk
When: 06 Apr 13 13:30
OP

Just go away and post on the RSPCA forum

This is a forum for folks who enjoy the sport of horseracing and like a bet
By:
xmoneyx
When: 06 Apr 13 13:30
he's a troll not a fish
By:
Captain Christy
When: 06 Apr 13 13:31
He's on a wind up anyway.
By:
Tallywagger.
When: 06 Apr 13 13:31
Animal Aid and the BBC will be delighted if there's a pile up.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 06 Apr 13 13:33
Very true NG, its the animal rights campaigners who are hoping for deaths of horses today, so that they, can kick up a fuss.
By:
posy
When: 06 Apr 13 13:34
looks like he joined the forum on national day last year...wish they'd shoot all these animal aid/rspca creeps....i decided some time ago never to donate to rspca a bunch of leftie terrorists.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 06 Apr 13 13:38
So in your opinion the fatality rate in a normal long distance race is acceptable but it isn't in the National? How do you come to this view and how can you criticise others for thinking the rate in the National is acceptable when there will be those who think any risk is too high and disagree with you on the risk in normal races?
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 06 Apr 13 13:41
There is unlikely to be any immediate changes to the race but perhaps they could keep the fences and not allow the public to actually see the horses jump the fences. They do this very effectively at Cartmel and it only distracts from the racing in a minor way
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 06 Apr 13 13:42
Not acceptable but a lot better than the National fences
By:
Captain Christy
When: 06 Apr 13 13:42
bore off now.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 06 Apr 13 13:42
thought u had to be 16 to post on forum
By:
silvercoat
When: 06 Apr 13 13:44
Perhaps the National could be run at Portman Park next year to appease the RSPCA.

Wink
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 06 Apr 13 13:44
Is it right that we use defencless stupid low intelligence animals for our own enjoyment and amusement ?
By:
Captain Christy
When: 06 Apr 13 13:46
shut up you boring bastud, haven't you had enough attention yet?
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 06 Apr 13 13:47
Assuming you disagree with the whole idea of domestic animals being considered property then and don't just have an issue with racehorses or are you one of these people who owns 5 cats for your enjoyment?
By:
betlarge
When: 06 Apr 13 13:51

Apr 6, 2013 -- 1:44PM, OliasOfSunhillow wrote:


Is it right that we use defencless stupid low intelligence animals for our own enjoyment and amusement ?


Well, we have Premiership football...

By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 06 Apr 13 13:55
It is those poor lowly intelligent beings that I feel for. They have no idea that their exertions are purley for the entertainment of others, can this be right ?
By:
kingmax
When: 06 Apr 13 13:57
id eat the last baby unicorn if it was cooked.. yummy
By:
stu
When: 06 Apr 13 13:58
Of course the OP has a perfectly valid point of view, but of course it is a view that would only be met with abuse and lack of real logic on this forum - For the simple reason that it goes against the wishes of most who post on here. I'm a gambler myself, and on horses, but I'm not going to pretend I don't feel uneasy about fatalities in racing. This race simply emphasises that particular problem with racing, and to pretend it doesn't is putting your head in the sand.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 06 Apr 13 13:59
it can't be right that some people were given brains only to use them for posting  shiite on forums Olias.
By:
matt hughes
When: 06 Apr 13 14:01
Go down your local abattoir and you can see loads of ex racehorses dying in desparation, despair and cruelty, if you have a concience donate to greatwood etc otherwise celebrate life
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 06 Apr 13 14:03
But Christy, should we allow the enjoyment of even one person to be at the expense of lowly untelligent beings. Is it not exploitation
By:
Coachbuster
When: 06 Apr 13 14:05
the event should be modified to reduce any likelihood of deaths, likewise i think use of the whip (or excessive use) should be looked at and tightened

there should be no joy in seeing horses injured - however with folk who arent interested in racing there does sometimes seem  an agenda , whereas they will think nothing of tucking into a meat meal where the animal is kept in inhumane conditions
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 06 Apr 13 14:08
Please answer my question Olias since you wanted a reasonable discussion.
By:
Steamship
When: 06 Apr 13 14:10
Olias- Most of us on here will be gutted if a horse dies today. Gitted for the horse,the connections and as I assume most of us will question our love of the sport. You however want there to be a death to prove you right, you do not care about these horses, and why should you? 

Last years GN really upset me but on reflection I still support the race. We follow these horses through the years and the reality is that if the GN goes then it will spiral down to all NH Racing ( there is a debate on BBC1 at 10 am tomorrow).

I have argued this point on Twitter with these so called animal lovers, one who said a horses life was as important as a childs life. Another who wanted this race in PARTICULAR banned, Basically all racing but let us start with this one.
By:
Trusty
When: 06 Apr 13 14:11
Looks like you joined just in time last year to make comments on the GN. From your comments I would conclude that the horses are certainly more intelligent than you.
By:
Steamship
When: 06 Apr 13 14:12
Who me trusty?
By:
Mr Holmes
When: 06 Apr 13 14:15
wHO REALLY CARES HOW MANY HORSES DIE ?

You may be shocked for a couple of hours after the race if a few die, but you wont be mourning them next fookin week, where as you might a family member or good friend. Horses are dying everyday, humans too if you hadn't noticed. Working dogs die, cattle die, bees are dying, Fish are dying.

What seems to be growing is Iriot People who want life to be surrounded with Health and safety procedures and no accidents or risks involved.
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 06 Apr 13 14:16
But guys should I be using low life unintelligent beings purely for my own enjoyment and amusement, is it right ?
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 06 Apr 13 14:18
Yes the law and customs of the entire western world has been based on that premise for centuries.
By:
joos
When: 06 Apr 13 14:19
An excellent post earlier from Jezebel.
By:
PHILthePOWER
When: 06 Apr 13 14:22

Apr 6, 2013 -- 2:15PM, Mr Holmes wrote:


wHO REALLY CARES HOW MANY HORSES DIE ? You may be shocked for a couple of hours after the race if a few die, but you wont be mourning them next fookin week, where as you might a family member or good friend. Horses are dying everyday, humans too if you hadn't noticed. Working dogs die, cattle die, bees are dying, Fish are dying.What seems to be growing is Iriot People who want life to be surrounded with Health and safety procedures and no accidents or risks involved.


How often do you attend the dog fighting rings saying "sure they are only dogs, its all good"

By:
PHILthePOWER
When: 06 Apr 13 14:25

Apr 6, 2013 -- 1:12PM, Jezebel wrote:


Harsh but true fact: there are far, far worse fates for a horse (or any animal) than a comparatively quick death of which it has no fear or foreboding, particularly when it happens with the adrenaline flowing during participation of the activity for which it was bred, trained and brought to peak fitness, and when the final minutes take place under experienced veterinary supervision where needed. That doesn't mean it isn't sad or that the horse won't be mourned by those close to him. Unfortunately however humans have a tendency to fear death above all else so often find that a difficult concept to grasp.Unlike the vast majority of horses in this country nowadays, racehorses are working animals not pets. They are (in the main, notwithstanding the few undesirable but inevitable bad apples that unfortunately crop up in every situation) cared for, respected and even loved but it tends to be an unsentimental love. No-one in racing wants to lose a horse in these circumstances and the whole industry works together to minimise risk, but risk nevertheless remains as it does in any high-speed, high-impact sport - indeed, as it does in every walk of life.


superb post but why would a owner put his horse in a race that his animal has a statistically better chance of dying than any other, if its for the money then i'm sick of all this "we care about the horses" nonsense

By:
Coachbuster
When: 06 Apr 13 14:27
you wont be mourning them next fookin week, where as you MIGHT a family member or good friend.

________________________________________
Only might mourn then ?  Plain
By:
PHILthePOWER
When: 06 Apr 13 14:27
Laugh
By:
PHILthePOWER
When: 06 Apr 13 14:27
mother-in-law maybe?
By:
OliasOfSunhillow
When: 06 Apr 13 14:28
Its been most enjoyable chaps, I will now have to put the screens up around all bar a couple of you now, thanks for all your replies even if you replied in blissful ignorance ...Bye
By:
Trusty
When: 06 Apr 13 14:28
Not you steamship.

Olias joined April 5th last year and posted shyte about GN. Now he's doing it this year.
By:
Steamship
When: 06 Apr 13 14:29
They are not do gooders they are blood thirsty.
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