spencer jesus wept...

ohh incidently all weather king snipeing from the bushes with no actual input is hardly joining the debate .All i say and have ever said on here is true ... i shall be interested in your comments about future aw races and see if you are really an allweather king or simply the jester

which considering the day is probebly a very good guess ...

sharp money early doors at 2/1 why the drift, dont know, a poor ride, imo

you sum it up well sir ...

come off it kemo.  this forum is full of 'been tolds' with 'inside info' from 'connections'.

nothing wrong with that i guess until the 'info' is proved to be nonsense and then the 'insider' comes back on and attempts to defend the 'info'.

that horse wasn't given the ride of a horse that connections expected to win.

that was obvious.

Guys

1 I hardly ever post here but have been reading the forum for a number of years
2 I hardly ever place a bet on BF

However

1 I backed the horse
2 I thought Spencer gave it a terrible ride

Star Sports Bet sent a tweet about 30 mins before the off and I quote:

"Punters are pawning there #EasterEggs in order to back Fils Anges in the 4.10 at #Yarmouth.
We are now 13/8"

Hope this helps?

Never trust anyone who doesn't know the difference between there and their, imo

13/8 yet near 4/1 to back on here at the off (4.8 bsp)....was very easy to back on here 5 mins before the off
The market on here is usually a fairer guide than the bookies

George B

True - my mistake

Went off 3/1 with the bookies. Must have drifted from 13/8. That is a fair drift, add the ride it got and it's hard not to be sceptical

kemo personally I'm not gonna speculate on whether or not it was off today, maybe think it was just another from the catologue of Spencers poorly judged rides, I like this colt and I think there's a nice little race to be won with him when conditions are right

grammar and spelling in my sentence

we all know the boy only for 1 person
his bank allance
good luck to him

the further we get from the race the more balanced the views ,,, im ok with that im not a person who wont admit that his view is incorrect ... i simply stated that to my knowledge ... and you can believe or indeed not believe my word that connections had backed it , the horse to any reasonable eye should have won ...it didnt ,,, the ride was less than good .im simply stateing that the horse was backed because it was expected to win .I repeat that i didnt  back it because the price was short ,,, in fact if i had seen the drift i can assure you i would have backed it ,but far too much going on not least reading the forum ,,, im always ready to say im wrong ...and indeed apologise if its so ... but everything i do post is the truth ,,,you can chose to ignore that yet its true .

having talked to bookmakers, connections and very shrewd pro. punters, all agreed that £1000's were invested early at 2/1 and less.

they are all gobsmacked and amazed at the drift and ride it was given

Gone freelance


Bit like Jason Bourne..............

Seems a strange one barry. But mr spencer makes a habit of messing things up, he must be in with some mafia types who like a lay.

well i do appreciate your confirmation that my comments were substantially correct and thank you for that ... i would be interested if you saw the ride did y think it was simply bad judgement or was it just unlucky as the race unfolded ...

trying to convince myself it was a bad ride, hate to think of alternatives

fair play barry, i hate thinking they way but sometimes it is hard to take. gl...

i tend to think theres not as much sculdugary as most imagine ,,, mind you just occasionally when someone has it off i think we are all sort of pleased .I have meet the guy and he is easy going as well as quite shy and self effacing .he does tend to look after the horses he rides in fact he once rode a horse of mine strangely enough at yarmouth and told us never to run it again on fast or even good ground as it hated it and wouldnt letitself down .now he could have flogged it to get closer but i think hes a decent guy .this advise we heeded we waited for the rain and it won several races that summer

there seemed plenty of money about for the Fahey and Hughes runners nearer the off something at the head of the market had to make way

Spencer normally rides well when he rides from the front. He has alot of ability.

He can ride well but I always look for more juice in the price when he's the pilot

On the subject of skulduggery most of it on here just smacks of people protecting their inflated egos

the markets are never simple ,,, i suppose the fahey winners might have had an effect ,,,i cant ever get them right .i backed one horse in a nh flat race in ireland ,i took the 15s which i thought was a decent price it went down to 12s but b4 the off drifted to 19s plus .i do know the small stable had some cash on it .yet i suppose the drift was because a mullind runner and two other big stables would be backed rather than an unknown stable out in the sticks .

well mr judge ... what you say is very very wise words ... i suppose its like after the race saying that claimer cant ride ,,,,the quality of the jock is mostly factored into the price .Any horses he rides for M.Bells seem to be overbet to the extreme so theres little edge .If i back short priced favs i might as well stand on tobermory pier and throw fivers into the sea .

very true kemo.

ohh mr judge i love the phrase >>> juice in the price

just watched the race for the first time,it was blatantly NOT OFF,should have won by a furlong,this guy does what he likes

larrence .... im looking at yr pics of stan and olly ... rather curiously im going to ulverston where stan was born on tuesday ,,, i shall think of you in front of his statue ,

lol. Have a good time m8. cool. i Must admit with the ride earlier, i was scratching my head like olly.

look pandora you can hardly complain ,,, after all you allowed all the troubles into the world ,b4 you opened your box everything was sweetness and light .im sure corruption was one of them as well as poor judgement

Do you never learn larrence?

i was at the unvailing of the statue a few years ago where the sons of the desert were in mass formation marching passed the statue in the manner of the boys when they went away to a sort of masonic convention yet telling their wives it was a work thing .little did they know they were on tv ,,,, the wifes comment wait till they get home made me shudder ..they even marched in the way thy did on tv ,,, after ten yards the formation fell apart it was hilarious

just watched the race for the first time,it was blatantly NOT OFF,should have won by a furlong,this guy does what he likes

correct pandora.

as i said earier, i would never entrust my money to a frank ride.

in this instance he made no effort whatsoever to win with the horse. 

a shockingly bad ride.

thats a fact regardless of anything else.

quality kemo. Laurel and hardy have always been my hero's , it shows with me and this game.

you seem like a nice fella Kemo, like you say markets aren't simple they're volatile and erratic thesedays and many factors contribute to a horses price

personally I think time will show Fils Anges had a lot on his plate today giving the scopey winner 11lb and a start (leaving aside the debatable decision making of Frank)

I would absolutely love Nick Mordin to write an article on the % each Jockey has with formbook comments like...

"Not Clear Run"
"Hampered"
"Unlucky"

etc.........

its funny i was watching a few months ago an old black and white film showing olly as a sort of davy crocket style mountain man ,,, sort of the semi comic guy in the cowboy film ,,, he had a big range i think ,,, but i suppose everyone saw him as olly  .

i thank you judge for yr kind comments i do try to be nice .mostly .YES THATS IT .... debatable decision making .i cant improve on that ,,,

yes joe would be a good read.

Watching the old classic black and white films is brilliant, great viewing ands helps you get your sanity back from gambling.

just watched it for the first time....did they show the head on after the race please? Looked like there was a gap to go up the rail but he waited for it to close?

only watched it the twice

my polish builder has just arrived dressed like and looking like the real madrid manager jose....even with designer stubble in place ... he has a date with as he says >>>a nice girl >>i asked is she polish he said no is lesbian ....i said if lesbian why she going out with you tonight ,ohh  its because her girl friend is coming in the morning and she needs to practice ,,,, and this is true ... i wished him luck

Larrence ,my opinion of Frank is well documented and the comments from Kemo only just border on slanderous.

Had he been of the era alluded to............he would have surpassed Coco,Phil Silvers,Groucho Marx...........as the best clown/comedian that ever lived.imvho btw

kemo, you know them all.

Gt name a jockey who is not a comedian and name a punter who is not a comedian.

the thing is i cant tell jokes ,,, that is really true ,,,im on mull in tobermory ,,, he has been working here but dissapeared mid week to a small island in harbour to do up holiday home ,sometimes reality is funnier than comedy .

Just watched it three times, looks fairly conclusive !   

Agreed the reality (charachter's) of life, add some good value and priceless comedy moments.

Nicky Carlisle was one of the best...........nobody else would have gone out in daylight with his face.

Peter Scudamore was a comedian who thought he was a jockey.........as did plenty of punters.

Angry ant was another one , gary bardwell.

Oscar Urbina had a "Wicked" sense of humour.......until the till went Chung instead of Ching.

Met ''Ribena'' once...seemed a bit of a lad ?...

Still waiting to have a name registered in UK in his memory HD............Hesaque Hunt...........I keep buying cheap yearlings...............Wetherbys keep refusing.

Moley,
You seem to have taken leave of your senses.
You will never be fit to polish Scudamore's boots.

just seen this video. Any average jock would have won comfortably, horse full of running at the finish

GT-MOLE,



good evening. He asked me if I owned a horse....... and this was before The Exchanges !   

Mind you, could of been touting for the ride !   

Sad HD,he had talent.Got involved with 2 penny muppets who promised him the world......saddest thing............he was given chances by some decent sized parties and proved he could do the job.

K Chung K Ching..............work it out from there and before.

One of my fav jump jockeys was graham mccourt.

the biggest comedian jock i knew was darryl holland ... my five furlong come from behind sprinter ... which had finished 5th in a 5f race ridden by r hughes on the tuesday of glorious goodwood was in the silver cup ,,, a six furlong race ....on the friday for once in its life started well it lead the race chased by the field for a total of 4f fading rapidly to last .i had driven 420miles to see this ... he jumped off in the unsaddling area and dissapeared ,,, neither me or the trainer ever got an explanation .

kemo. Long journey for you as well. Strange cause dazzler is normally good from the front.What was your sprinter called ??

mind you robert winston had a hamlet moment on him when he sat back in the stalls and he couldnt take off its blindfold hood it lost 6lenghts and finished 3rd ... only to be disqualified by the stewards ,,, it was replaced by a horse that had been punted very heavily and the jock was told in no uncertain terms he had to object ,,, and that was that

statoyork

i think the horse simply ran away with him and he was embarrased

Yes i know that horse, he had a useful turn of foot.

yes it gave melots of fun in an unhappy time of my life ... it ran in my hockey club colours of purple with orange stars ,,, if your interested there are clips of him on you tube being retrained as an eventer at the grand age of 17 till about 22 ,,, now that you couldnt make up ... its ist lessons he couldnt even jump pole on the ground ,,, the kids who eventually had him loved him to death ,,, funny though i get very sad wen i watch it so have to ration it ,,,, on one of them it shows him winning at haydock ridden by john mcauley who i think only rode him three times and won twice..behind a wall of horses 1f out .. produced through gap in the best jamie spencer manner

a coach party from my home town were there b4 going to liverpool game next day ,,, i got a few into the owners bar ,,, parade ring etc ,,, we all backed it most of the party got 18s by time i got to ring best i got was 12 and 14s ,,they still talk about the day when i get back to my home town and go into the pub ,,, time of a fews lives i think ..

Here is one for you larrence and kemo.........purely from memory.

Nottingham.......Jamie Osbourne,Graham McCourt,William Jarvis and Yarmy.............all met individually before racing.

Several tracks to take,Jamies was unlucky in the first tbf,Yarmy tipped me the wink for the winner and I got 11/4 for a few grand.Williams was going in the long distance handicap and he told me to get it for as much as I could get away with..........laying btw............unplaced.

Graham told me to shovel on as much as I could on his LAST runner ever.......she pis$sed up(listed I think)

One meeting................who outside the circle knew?

Btw I think Grahams filly was Dragon something.........point is that some think they are being bull**** about info.

interesting story ... but i did the whole racing thing for two years or so ... mind you this was pre betfair .that was the moment the whole game changed for better as well as for worse ...ive often wondered if the prep runs of my horses ,early season the horses while always trying their best ,,,, then no incentive not to ,,, were always in need of a run or two as one of them had a tendancy to bleed and needed gradual work to a peak and it stayed at that level .with that knowledge would i have laid them ... the sad thing is i probebly would ,,,but then it was a diff world .

sounds like you had a great time. Sorry to hear about the sadness though.

gt interesting stuff.

was it dragon flyer ??

whats your fav horse tracks lads ??

im sure we all have sad times .... im healthy i do a job i like ,i travel,ive no real cash ,worries ... i have a lovely long term partner whos quite well off ,,and often asks me why dont we get a race horse ,as you always speak about those times with fondness .. i say no ... its very stress full and i was lucky to get the success i did ,,, lots dont and i wouldnt wish to push my luck ... that time was then ,this is now ,,, i still retain my contacts i made over the years and its a fascinating game ,,,, but it is that a game ,,, you can win and lose

carlisle ... local track hot summers day ,,, carlsbeg lager handicap tyrone williams pushes field side ways he wins stewards inq,,, dont worry boss its fine ,,, we win ... we wheel 12 packs of lager off the track in a wheelbarrow ,, we didnt quite need the wheelbarrow for the cash though

mind you ripon was also good ... on ascot gold cup day ,,, j fanning winning in last few strides ,, ist time winner and why wouldnt y drink champagne ,,, the game seemed easy then ...

My family have had horses for generations Kemo,used to be dragged along to meetings.Hated it,loved the horses,atmosphere etc.......but at pre teens had no interest in betting.

Changed attitude when Highland Wedding won the GN with some pocket money on,still wasnt addicted in any way.Then Red Rum won me a bit and friends of the family had a Horse called Elie Marine who won at 11/1 and bought me a brand new Suzuki 250,fastest road bike of its time.

All went down......or uphill from there depending how you view things,joined the army and earned more than the CO backing the likes of K Battery,Gunner B,Staffordshire Knot among the lesser lights.

Bought my own first horse with the profis............won first time out at 12/1 on 27/08/79............a Bank Holiday Monday in UK.

so easy i couldnt find my car in the car park afterwards

Yes as long as you are healthy and happy that is the most important thing. fair play and gl.
My life started of very sad , lost my dear mum when i was only 2.  i was lucky though had nice people around me. Need to stay strong through thick and thin,positive.

Dragonflyer larrence.............I think you are right.

nice story mole ,,, i do know gunner b of old ... fab horse ,,, your like me we remember the good times but we are aware there is always the flip side ...its how we deal with that that makes us i think ...im sure my life would have been different if my ist bet ,,, salmon spray hadnt won ... i do rembr h wedding though ,,, i was at an aunts wedding she was marrying a scot ,,, so everyone had backed the horse at the reception ,,, then im sure bookies were commision agents ... the place went wild

yee gods i was in suit with short trousers and had a quiff ,,, must have been 7...what year was it the winner

69 or 70 I think.

interesting yr military background ,,, my gfrends son just back today from helmund afgan ... thank god ,,, hes officer in the gurkhas ...ist week of his tour one of his mates killed out on patrol ...im relieved for his mum ,she hides her worries like they all must do ..

parents must go through hell worrying about love ones, they should all come home now.

amen to that ...yet it seems in our heritage to fight ,,, i read lots of history ,,, i believe there are less than twenty countries we havnt had wars with ,,we apparantly in the past made good soldiers because of our class system ... ie we did as we were told ,,, even more so the scots with their clan system as well ..

GN gents, cheers for the chat.All the best and gl...

Sorry to hear that kemo,the whole thing makes me angry,the UK should not be there,shouldnt have been from day 1.

Keep your eyes peeled in racing for a young Lt Guy Disney.Amazing fellow,lost his leg below the knee.That is not amazing itself I know but he is a brilliant horseman and his ambition was to get his jockeys licence and be the first amputee to ride under rules,culminating in the Military races at Sandown.

Lost track and touch but if he still has the ambition he would be odds on to be the first amputee to get a licence,will try and catch up and update you.

i shall look forward to that ,,,, so many come out with damage not only physical but mental its such a waste ..anyway night ,,, interesting chat ,,, esp as it started with jamie ...

perhaps it puts his ride into perspective ,,,no one dies or got hurt dea gratias

Btw the horse winning 27/08/79...........should have been a day to celebrate but Lord Mountbatten and many colleagues were murdered that day at Warren Point.

On a lighter note......we emptied every bookie in Colchester when Ten Up won ridden by Captain Hodges Royal Artillery.

ive often wondered wen the lower ranks ride against the officers if they are allowed to beat their betters

at points any major was always called .... the galloping at some point of the day ,,i think it adds colour and is far more interesting than that silly cross country race at cheltenham

now there are some very interesting girls in colchester ,,, could you keep up ...

Good night to you lads,been a refreshing change to have a civilised converation involving humanity in the present and past tense as well as horses,betting and personal memories for us all without the need to google a memory.

and to you ... i shall send a sea angel to watch over y all from tobermory where its calm yet cold and the sea is flat

*conversation* btw.............the day or night I manage a conversion on here will be the day North Yorkshire proofs its record on here.

Just seen the head-on, and as starfish & coffee and ged called it, more than enough space for him against the stands' rail; and even if he was anticipating Kelly coming across him and taking his ground, what the head-on also shows, is Spencer then keeping the horse in behind the eventual winner until the race is virtually over.

The stewards in this country are a feckin joke, imo.