There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
All you anti FOBT campaigners, going to sign up for this?
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 70
|
By:
You have completely misunderstood the argument and the distinction between Betfair PtoP betting and FOBT's
|
|
By:
Please explain the difference between losing £100 on here or £100 on a FOBT?
|
|
By:
First of all are you talking about sports betting on here or the equivelant FOBT's on here ?
|
|
By:
Lets say Sports Betting Olias.
|
|
By:
i feel the mps may have more important issues to solve , but looking at them perhaps not
|
|
By:
First of all FOBT's have little or no cooling off period between spins whilst horse racing for example does offer a natural break between bets. Secondly, and of course this is just my personal view, two people or more betting against each other (even with BF taking comm) in a game of skill in which those with the greater skills make a profit is morally OK with me. By contrast games in which no one wins other than the producer of the game is really a tax on the stupid, produced in this case by bookmakers and supported by MP's who in turn are supported by bookmakers.
|
|
By:
Paulie
I have a £100 Sports Bet on here and it loses, I put £100 in a FOBT and lose. Am I somehow better off by losing £100 on here? Is it a 'better' form of losing? I will say again if you want to ban gambling then you should be arguing against ALL forms of gambling not just one particular area, can you not see this? |
|
By:
Olias, you conveniently forget the commission charge. As for cooling off, how many markets are there on here accessible 24/7?
GAMBLING IS GAMBLING. Full stop. |
|
By:
One has an element of skill
The other is a form of robbery Hope this Helps |
|
By:
Olias, agree, but the bookies do their best to deny the "cooling off period" by filling the natural breaks with cartoon cars/dogs/horses plus numbers games and other shoite, very cynical of them I feel.
|
|
By:
Biscar
On Track boys mopping up, is this skill? Non-triers and blatant stopping of horses, those in the know laying horses, is this skill? People betting on here not doing any form of form study, is this skill? |
|
By:
utter stupidity and naivety on your part big issue.
go back to the other thread. |
|
By:
The main difference is FOBT's are far more likely to lead to gambling addiction that sports betting.
|
|
By:
Everybody wins on Betfair do they Paulie?
As per the FOBT's the commission charge or FOBT take whittles your balance away eventually unless you are the 5% that win on here. |
|
By:
Big Issue, I'll try and give a simple explanation of why they are different.
Does any bookmaker make stake restrictions on a FOBT player, like they do frequently on other forms of betting ? The answer, of course, is no. They know that FOBTs can lose, and they know some punters can win. |
|
By:
who do you work for?
why wouldnt you want these machines limited to £2 per spin? i cant see any logic in why anyone wouldnt want these scourges on society either highly restricted or banned outright unless you are on the payroll. come on....hills, lads, coral??? |
|
By:
With FOBT's no one wins other than the bookmaker. With horse racing and indeed other sports 2% to 3% win long term whilst the other either strive to do so or bet for amusement. This for me makes it a game of skill and therefore IMO morally acceptable. With regard to the number of events and time intervals on here I do not think it pins the punter down in the same way that having the same EVENT repeated every 10 seconds does on an FOBT. There is also the fact that FOBT's are constructed to deliver Psychological appetising losing results which entice the player further. Horse racing is unable to do this, in fact its probably at the other end of this spectrum.
|
|
By:
a bit like comparing chalk with cheese, the FOBTs being the smelly stuff
 |
|
By:
Paulie, I don't work for any vested interests. Nor do I play FOBT's.
Just the 'moral' crusade against these is perverse, like I said gambling is gambling, different forms and for MOST people the same result. People my 'enjoy' playing and losing on here, perhaps they 'enjoy' playing and losing on FOBT's? If you are anti-gambling that's fine, petition away to end all forms, it's just perverse to concentrate solely on one particular area. |
|
By:
alot of punters wait 12 months to bet on a major race with ample cooling off, form study, and debate about what to
bet on and how much they can happily afford. certainly not a 20 seconds game that you simply cant beat! |
|
By:
on the payroll(nap)
|
|
By:
Paulie, I am not on anyone's payroll, and indeed not sticking up for anybody. All I am saying is that your argument against FOBT's is perverse.
You seem to think some forms of gambling are acceptable and others not. No logic to your arguments. Ban none or ban all would be fine if you argued that. Why are not against the National Lottery or Scratchcards or Bingo? |
|
By:
Do you believe that the people running this campaign are genuinely just anti FOBTs or do you think that they are going for the easy target first?
The person funding the main campaign has made millions through selling casino content so naturally would see FOBTs as his main competitor. Other campaigning groups have openly stated that they are only targetting FOBTs first as they are an easy target as they are visible. They have stated that they will then move to online gambling which they consider to be worse. Bear in mind that the law will be soon be changing requiring all online firms to hold UK licences and you will see that it will suddenly become easier for them to get traction against online firms in political circles. I know that everyone has their own reasons for their particular stance however I think it is naive to suggest that things will end at FOBTs and I personally don't want do gooders ruining my hobby. |
|
By:
Horse racing is secretly resticted already by the high street bookmakers, you go in any shop and try and
put a big bet on and see what happens or ask all the people that have had accounts closed just because they were slightly in profit. any one can go into a bookmaker and sit with 3 grand and play it all away in no time at all, the bookies know this as they watch on a monitor at the counter and do nothing to stop it. this is the reason you have to have legislation and the reason you can limit your losses in one day by setting limits on your personal settings on betfair if you feel that you have a problem. |
|
By:
You can self-exclude from shops as well BF if you want to.
|
|
By:
Big Issue
"If you are anti-gambling that's fine, petition away to end all forms, it's just perverse to concentrate solely on one particular area". I am anti-drugs but I do not consider it at all perverse to have a legal distinction between types of drugs |
|
By:
Blackbarn
I agree, I mean Alcohol and Nicotine are okay apparently and yet kills hundreds of thousands in this country every year.Ten people die from taking E and it's bad apparently. |
|
By:
no one on better will sign your petition big issue but most would sign the FOBT so what does that tell you
and I wonder if William hills give there customers a chance to agree with the legislation or do they just offer a chance to decide one way, THERE WAY! |
|
By:
^^^No one using betfair would sign your petition^^^
|
|
By:
BF
I suspect you are right, no-one on here would want to limit bets to £2, that's kind of my point! Have you heard of irony? But FOBT's which they don't play they want to, why is this? |
|
By:
Most gamblers would sign a petition to reduce the amount that you can spin in one go as most punters
have had bad experiences with playing on machines or know friends and family or some one that has had major problems with the current poor control of these machines which are ever increasing all the time now... In Victorian times a third of the population was on heroin before someone decidd that it was destroying peoples lives so it was banned. |
|
By:
I would not sign a petition against any form of gambling
because some bright spark might decide we should ban internet gambling  I like gambling |
|
By:
any links to the story the OP is referring to what does the petition say
|
|
By:
There used to be a law that gambling was only permissible if an element of skill was involved.
What happened to that ? |
|
By:
Big_Issue 17 Mar 13 12:02
Biscar On Track boys mopping up, is this skill? Non-triers and blatant stopping of horses, those in the know laying horses, is this skill? People betting on here not doing any form of form study, is this skill? WALOFS ! |
|
By:
In my experience FOBT players and Betfair players are very different individuals.
Those playing FOBT machines are far more vulnerable as they lack knowledge, intellect,discipline and most importantly a Bank Account ,which rules them out of online transactions. They need immediate returns /cash to make payments as many live hand-to-mouth and cannot wait for days awaiting bank credits. It is for these reasons that any attempt to restrict losses by imposing limits should be welcome by all, except Mr Issue who is talking carp. |
|
By:
Must be an old law amusement arcades and bingo been around for decades.Whats the difference in someone putting £100 in a fobt or standing in a newsagents putting the same amount on lottery scratchcards its all down to the get rich quick but don`t want to work for it attitude of todays society.
|
|
By:
indeed
I won plenty of money at the Festival but had zero inside information that was not publicly available and did most of my bets the week before the meeting and only put some very low odds keep bets in for in running lays I did it by working hard (and by that I mean I looked at and thought about the lifetime racing record of virtually every horse running, studying the trends and stats, watching replays of key races and often many times, making notes, studying ratings and thinking about them, creating and adjusting my own ratings) and thinking clearly I haven't added up the hours but if you include all the work I did over the winter it runs in several hundred hours I would think. You can do it on skill but there's no short cut, those moaning about in running traders and horses being stopped need to reflect on their own level of involvement imo. As Gary Player said "the harder I work the luckier I get" |
|
By:
Those playing FOBT machines are far more vulnerable as they lack knowledge, intellect,discipline and most importantly a Bank Account ,which rules them out of online transactions.
I take your point mike but  thinking about it, is is not betting on creditwhere people can get themselves in serious trouble all the FOBT gambler does is lose the money in their pocket, when it is gone it is gone open to argument |