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When the new Channel 4 Racing team assemble for the first time at Cheltenham on New Year’s Day, the most gaping hole will not be the seat vacated by John McCririck but the one that John Francome quietly slipped out of the moment it was announced his present employer, Highflyer, had lost the contract.


By Marcus Armytage telegraph.co.uk 22 Dec 2012

After 27 years on our televisions Francome, 60, will cover his last King George VI Chase on Boxing Day and will hang up his microphone at Newbury on Saturday.

For the second time in his life Francome, the self-deprecating man with the Midas touch, the quick wit, the dash of devilment and no shortage of opinions, has quit something at which he has been a natural.

At Chepstow in April 1985 he took jump racing by surprise when he ‘retired’ after being briefly hung-up in the saddle. At that stage he had been the most successful jump jockey in history with 1,138 winners. In life, as in riding, timing is everything and again he has left racing wanting more.

“It doesn’t seem anything like 27 years,” he said reflecting on his role as a pundit. “I worked for a great team, the people behind the scenes like the electricians, riggers as much as anyone. I don’t care whether you’re a rocket scientist or a dustman as long as you’re good company, that’s the main thing.

“You might say I’ve got out on my own terms, others will say I jumped before I was pushed! It says a lot for how lucky I’ve been to go into two jobs, one with Fred Winter and his headlad, Brian Delaney, and the same with Andrew Franklin and John Fairley [Highflyer’s executive producers].

“I’ll miss giving my six pence worth on something interesting that’s happened. You can say what people at home what to know and I’ve always been a more than a little opinionated. I’ll miss our production meetings before racing most, you could make a comedy series about them, and for me it was just like travelling to the races when I was riding, it was an extension of being in the weighing room.”

Though he has not got anything specific to do in ‘retirement’ you can rest assured the grass will never grow under his feet. Current projects include building a new barn for his tenant, the trainer Clive Cox.

“I’ve got things to do and something will crop up,” he said and you know with Francome that something will.

Poet, a good flat horse he bought and had gelded because it was too much of a character to ever become a stallion, won first time out over hurdles at Newbury earlier in the week. He still rides out and schools horses, he has bought a JCB and he has taken over as president of the Injured Jockeys Fund from the late Lord Oaksey with whom he shared the small screen for a number of years.

“I never think I’m 60,” he admitted looking not a pound heavier than he was when he retired from the saddle. “I’m sure there’ll come a time when I can’t jump something or don’t want to but I schooled a couple of yaks this morning and loved it.”

He is not a man who would own a horse for the sake of it. “I took a chance on Poet,” he explained. “I’ve no desire to have it run in my colours. The only way we could get it near a pole to start with was corner it in the indoor school and put poles all around it, then he had to walk over them to get out. All the lads said he wouldn’t jump and yet at Newbury on Wednesday he jumped like a rabbit.”

Recalling his great friend Oaksey, he said: “We only had two things in common, a love of horses and a big head size. I forgot my helmet going racing one day and went round every jockey to see if I could get their’s to fit and was getting to the point that I wasn’t going to be able to ride when I tried on John’s. I rather fear his head had more in it than mine. His head was large for storing things, mine was large because I was too big for my boots.”

In his previous incarnation his King George victories came on Wayward Lad in 1983 and Burrough Hill Lad a year later. “Wayward Lad beat Fifty Dollars More, trained by Fred Winter. Though I was disappointed for Fred I’d been jocked off by the horse’s owner Sheikh Ali Abu Khamsin so it gave me great pleasure, a bit of icing on the cake to beat him.

“Burrough Hill Lad beat Combs Ditch a short-head and until the outcome of the photo was announced I have it in my mind that Jenny Pitman was ready to bollock me, though I don’t know why. Combs Ditch was a good horse on his day.”

If Francome’s departure from television is anything like the secretly organised drinks party earlier this month to celebrate his 60th – he said he would have “preferred to have sat down and watched Countryfile” – he will want to go without fanfare. If Newbury is abandoned it would probably suit him even better.
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Report acey deucy December 22, 2012 10:28 PM GMT
I will miss him Big Time,as for his Tipping LaughLaughLaugh
Report Anaglogs Daughter December 22, 2012 10:29 PM GMT
Can't believe he's 60...He's been around that long i would have said nearer 70
Report acey deucy December 22, 2012 10:34 PM GMT
Always hated the **** for shagging Tracey Bailey......I lo*ed That Gal.Love
Report the.mad.dog.man December 22, 2012 10:44 PM GMT
he must be 77 he looks older
Report GT-MOLE December 22, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
So did Kim Acey.............tbf though he never shagged your nutter as far as I know?Mischief
Report wolfatthedoor December 22, 2012 10:54 PM GMT
good head of hair for a man of 60 tbf
Report lockup December 22, 2012 11:27 PM GMT
great bloke very funny and not afraid to be opionated and a bit risque will be sorely missed.
Report Nightfly December 23, 2012 4:33 AM GMT
awful pundit..no loss ...at all...33/1 way too big etc..comes in behind the ambulance....terrible off you go franks
Report Tucho December 23, 2012 4:46 AM GMT
you say he's terrible, but he's miles better than what's about to come our way on c4...

be careful what you wish for Cry
Report Franky Four Fingers December 23, 2012 10:46 AM GMT
If you look at Dr Feelgood's thread you'll notice he certainly wasn't the worst tipster on C4 by any means ... As Tucho said "Be careful what you wish for"
Report the.mad.dog.man December 23, 2012 10:53 AM GMT
should have been booted of years ago
Report Nightfly December 23, 2012 10:55 AM GMT
Thankfully i dont watch C4 'love Ins' anymore  for me , the 'personalities' were bigger than the sport on the show which extends right across the media nut TML was one of the worst trend setters.  In fairness Franks would offer up a few decent selections.. but he gave every horse a chance and that it what you are NOT looking for...And very much chairman of The Jockeys Union...Being bent when he was riding (OK not all of the time ) he cannot bring himself to critcise jocks  in any way shape of or form which is patently ridiculous and undermines his credibilty as a so called pundit
Report Franky Four Fingers December 23, 2012 11:03 AM GMT
For the most part,the Racing Media in general,are loath to "ask questions of" ANYTHING or ANYONE  in racing unless  it's an easy target.
Report the.mad.dog.man December 23, 2012 11:03 AM GMT
you dont need any pundits on t.v ,look at the horses in parade ring and going down to the start is all you need
Report unbiased December 23, 2012 12:29 PM GMT
As stated before,
paddock
going to post (especially for first appearance)
shows
race
replay
  note,punditry left out!
Report mange December 23, 2012 12:35 PM GMT
Sign in If youve sent him a comb for Christmas......
Report sageform December 23, 2012 12:45 PM GMT
Good luck Francs. He may sometimes make some odd remarks but he is the wittiest of the bunch by a mile and was a truly great jockey.
Report pauli December 23, 2012 12:53 PM GMT
I stopped watching Channel 4 racing years ago but I quite liked Francome as a pundit and he was a great jockey.
Report Barzalona December 23, 2012 12:55 PM GMT
Not a piece of top racing fraternity totty he has not tapped in the last 35 years... for that alone I commend him highly.
Report in hell December 23, 2012 12:56 PM GMT
Agree with Sageform
Report 1st time poster December 23, 2012 12:59 PM GMT
have this picture in the back of my mind of the likes of taylor,segal,melish,yifter,willourghby etc pouring over the weights and measures all week before a big handicap hurdle or chase, and francome appears on a sat morning with his fav line
7lbs nothing just 1 good jump, Cry
Report postmannick December 23, 2012 1:09 PM GMT
i"d rather listen to franks than 99% of the so called experts good luck johnny waterever you get into
Report Franky Four Fingers December 23, 2012 1:12 PM GMT
It'd be great to listen to him "off" air somewhere ... I bet he's got some great tales to tell Mischief
Report 1st time poster December 23, 2012 1:18 PM GMT
starting with the truth of his warning off, Laugh

bless him
Report Tommy Toes December 23, 2012 1:19 PM GMT
Too true. I'd rather listen to Francome than any other presenter/pundit/analyst on terrestrial tv.

I truly dread the new line up on Ch4 with Balding topping the list - accompanied by the abjectly poor Persaud.
Report Tommy Toes December 23, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
That was to FFF about listening to him off-air too.

I'd buy Francome a drink (non-alcoholic, as he doesn't imbibe) any time - I wouldn't pass a peanut to the monstrous Balding.
Report SlippyBlue December 23, 2012 1:39 PM GMT
Of all the racing pundits I would want to walk the plank John Francome would have been very low on the list, shame he has gone really when the likes of that odious Persad is still around.
Report Glossy December 23, 2012 1:53 PM GMT
Sad news for televised racing. Definitely a big loss.
Report posy December 23, 2012 1:55 PM GMT
The grinning idiot Persad is the direst of all the presenters...i'd be prepared to put up with Artie if it meant Persad would be off the tv screen.
Report expat December 23, 2012 1:59 PM GMT
There is absolutely no competition between John and Rishi; it's a no-brainer. The only 'Doubles' that Rishi should get involved with are those ones in Trinidad; delicious as they are! His racing knowledge is limited, lacks experience.
I hope that we haven't seen the last of John on TV after this month.
Report 1st time poster December 23, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
typical forum shoite anyone retiring or dying suddenly becomes the oracle,any chance of putting up any threads from 12 months ago which tell of francomes legendary status as a pundit, thanks in advance, Wink
if it helps theres plenty about him on the moaning line thread describing him as a useless chucking idiot, LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report jonnyrotten December 23, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
it was worth having him on even if it was just for his line "and if your in ireland and you know how to use a phone"Laugh
Report millhouse December 23, 2012 4:01 PM GMT
Never sold out, always called it as he saw it, never worried about what he might lose out on personally by actually telling the truth, never cared if his own view differed to the self serving sheep in the press room.

Compare that to the bookmaker owned, integrity-lite, truth evading career freeloaders who are largely following him, and the future is only going to offer us synchronised back-slapping, mendacity and commercially driven exploitation, imho...
Report durose13 December 23, 2012 4:09 PM GMT
sold out leger day with joey
Report 1st time poster December 23, 2012 4:11 PM GMT
the way you lot talk you,d think he was the eamon dunmphy of the weighing room ,a part from a pot at dettori which was an open goal please give us a list of the people he,s knobbled in the last 27 years,shouldnt take long
Report Ramruma December 23, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
Somewhere on Youtube might still be the video of an Irish Cheltenham preview where Francs got into a row with Ted Walsh and the other local racing worthies when discussing that year's Irish Good Thing, Dunguib -- "He can't jump!"

Of all jockeys turned pundits, only two were good judges, only two worth listening to, and we have somehow contrived to lose them both in this hamfisted change of broadcasters: Carson and Francome.
Report Nightfly December 23, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
if you wanna listen to Franks..then i dread to think what your P and L is like...lazy punter who just got by on his one liners is not what you watch
an allegedly informative racing programme for.
Report moonaxed December 23, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
PMSL FRANCOMBE AND CARSONTongue Out
Report tonkability December 23, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
Didn't look very well on sat morn might have been rough night,can't say I like the bloke too much quite arrogant and far too quick to doff his cap with the hoy palloy
Report Anaglogs Daughter December 23, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
1983 King George http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IauQQ4Z1kzY
Report irishone December 23, 2012 8:37 PM GMT
highly respected still.... within the game.... says enough Laugh
Report Happy Valley December 24, 2012 1:20 PM GMT
my feeling about his career as a pundit is that he could have been really, really good if he had done some homework/studying

i always got the impression he turned up and winged it

i do agree there are far worse, as mentioned above.
Report zipper December 24, 2012 1:37 PM GMT
What made Jonnhy  in two words
Fred Winter.
the rest is history
As a TV pundit  i /we all can see why he  has  packing it in
Jonn you were the best over the fences  as your record show ..nobody can argue with records
Merry Christmas to you and your friends
Report Ramruma December 24, 2012 1:43 PM GMT
@Happy Valley -- you are probably right about Francome winging it on the day but unlike many of his critics, I think that homework would have been a bad thing. What Francome gave me was an expert view of aspects of a day's racing I cannot easily see for myself on television: conformation, demeanour, raceriding and so on. I do not need him to read the formbook because Jimbo does that (and so do I).

Still, soon Francome will be gone and we'll have Micky Fitz to tell us whether Nicky Henderson fancies his runner, and whatever else it is the man does.
Report 1st time poster December 24, 2012 1:58 PM GMT
ramrunna your obviously in the francome school of reading a race,you arnt honestly coming on this forum and saying dunguib didnt win at cheltenham because of his jumping, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Storm Alert December 24, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
Respect as a jockey although not always a punters friend as far I remember, he could beat a fancy with an inferior horse, one of the few jockeys that could do that.  My biggest wins with him were Brown Chamberlin in the Sun All and the Hennessey both backed around 7/1 as far I can remember.

As a pundit he was interesting to listen to on occasions but honestly I can't understand those that think he was a good tipster.
Report xmoneyx December 24, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
where is he going?
Report zipper December 24, 2012 2:33 PM GMT
Ok guys  this is true  RE Jockeys .......
The  greatest  of em all  once said  Jockeys make  lousy tipsters
Who said that ............Lester Piggot
Report zipper December 24, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
xmoneyx  .. if your talking  about  John Francome .. he a million  plus  in the bank guy ...were you going.
Report zipper December 24, 2012 2:43 PM GMT
Ok guys you want to here dull **** from ex jocks
dale gibbson
jason weaver
micks fiz
luck harvey
to name but 4 .. ok its the season of good will  but they are  hopeless ..... lay every thing they pick  and you will be quids in
Report xmoneyx December 24, 2012 2:44 PM GMT
mill+ nice

beats me Cool
Report zipper December 24, 2012 2:52 PM GMT
It goes somthing like this
The fav  is a CERT .. all the Big Three Agree
The TV boys come on talking about value  this has a chance 28/1
thats over priced  16/1 
cannot see this out of the frame 33/1
race over  the cert  hacks in . the TV boys dont get one of  thier 3 picks in the frame
move on next race .. nothing said .. get the drift
Report zipper December 24, 2012 2:57 PM GMT
xmoney thanks for a honest comment 
franks wrote a book  cant remember the name  . but that pulled  him a million plus ..take nowt away he was a very good jockey
Report ranader December 24, 2012 5:57 PM GMT
Comes across as arrogant and not interested in the ordinary punter

Never known him tip a winner to the great unwashed but no doubt secured the best prices for himself by putting everyone away

He seems a bit shocked that he has been ejected from the gravy train

Good riddance to him
Report ReaseHeath December 24, 2012 6:12 PM GMT
he was n't ejected - he chose to leave.
Report kevo December 24, 2012 6:30 PM GMT
IMO John was one of the very few jockeys that looked a natural when he made the transition from riding to racing pundit on tv. I haven't watched Ch4 racing or heard JF since RUK became available, but I see that that they have now signed Mick Fitzgerald up as one of the pundits; that just beggars belief.
Report know all December 24, 2012 6:56 PM GMT
very good tipster for his bets on the morning line the thread on here about the betting tips on the morning line shows him in profit over the long term you cant ask for much more.
Report jroe December 24, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
He may have been a good jockey but he talks through his quarters.  Prime example came as him and Jimbo discussed Barnet Fair's galloping riderless down the track at Ascot in July. Francome expressed the view that this actually increased the likelihood of the horse winning because it was a good pipe-opener.
Report jamilla14 December 25, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
John Francome-brilliant jockey-lazy presenter-average tipster-charmed life-lucky man.
Report Platini December 26, 2012 12:24 AM GMT
great jockey, great character, awful tipster

2 out 3 ain't bad and he'll be missed. TV racing is doomed now - Persad and Balding CryCryCry
Report pumphol. December 26, 2012 12:33 AM GMT
Whatever you thought of the old set up I will be amazed if the New one is not a disaster, a longer programme during racing with the same amount of racing shown,  in other words I expect there will be loads of utter drivel in the coming months to fill in the gaps, its easy to criticise but would it not be better to s l a g of the old regime once the the new have proved their worth.
Report know all December 26, 2012 12:34 AM GMT
i dont get it a lot say he is a awful tipster but the facts are he is a good profitable tipster on morning line bets, if you are talking about general comments before a race then they are not tips just observations from someone who is employed to give them
Report History Maker December 26, 2012 3:54 AM GMT
I really liked him. He wasn't really there for his tipping so much as for the occasional quips and the stories that he was able to tell. You've got to remember that the C4 lot are there for a Joe Public that want different things from the kind of seasoned form studiers that you probably get on betfair.
Report History Maker December 26, 2012 3:56 AM GMT
Much better than Persad anyway. Not looking forward to that. He should stick to cricket, at which he's not so bad.
Report OliasOfSunhillow December 26, 2012 8:53 AM GMT
For someone so 'opinionated' he found it very difficult to form an opinion about paddock negatives despite it being his job for many years. Just another pundit making sure he does not offend his buddies rather than do the job properly.
Report wolfatthedoor December 26, 2012 9:36 AM GMT
dreadful tipster and very ordinary presenter.needs a haircut
Report buddeliea December 26, 2012 9:47 AM GMT
Francome:
i'll be ok a week monday Laugh

good on yer John,you dont need this comedy show.
you can concentrate more on worthwhile things in the game,rather thah the shower of **** that is Ch 4 racing.
Report johnnyrant December 26, 2012 9:48 AM GMT
Think Francs will be sorely missed. Best thing about him was the fact he would always be looking for a value bet, an outsider, worth an interest. Think this approach is of far more value than Jim McGrath explaining why some AOB hotpot is the best bet of the day at Evens.
Report peeler December 26, 2012 10:18 AM GMT
Francome has his good points--but without doubt the biggest loss love him or loathe him will be big mac. More insight the tanya and that other guy put together. After all we only watch racing to bet don't we??
Report duncan idaho December 26, 2012 11:02 AM GMT
nope
Report 1st time poster December 26, 2012 11:30 AM GMT
well lets put it another way you,d be a fool to base a sow around people who didnt, i think you,ll be counting on one hand the number of people tuning into ch 4 this afternoon who havnt had a punt
Report Tex AxiLe December 26, 2012 1:14 PM GMT
he is a funny guy and as someone mentioned a bit risque, was in his his company on one Chester May meeting on ladies day , he said while surveying the crowds of orange legged beauties " be too easy this, be loik clubbing seals"
Report bubbagreen December 26, 2012 1:34 PM GMT
actually sad to see him go
started following racing seriously about the time he joined the show
seems a decent bloke who doesn't take himself too seriously
only gripe was his paddock negatives, never once put up a horse that looked unfit etc

be lucky Cool
Report georgebakerfanclub December 26, 2012 1:55 PM GMT
What a life he's had. at the Chester meeting they all stayed at the best hotel in town, ate and drink like kings, did a few hours work on the tele and had a cracking weeks holiday, all payed for by the production company and on top of that they got paid.
Best Jockey I've ever seen, it was like watching a show jumper clearing those big fences. Love the story how he through his misses out of his house for having a affair, don't know if it was true but it did sound like something he would do. Great guy he'll be missed by all his fans.
Report Steamship December 26, 2012 1:56 PM GMT
In a months time we may be begging for Francome, Big Mac Thommo, Down and Catt to return.
Report NORTH BERWICK December 27, 2012 2:53 PM GMT
A natural with the women if ever i saw one. Personality women love plus money and fame. Knockout combination.
Report Howdi December 27, 2012 3:22 PM GMT
^^^ I have the same qualities
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