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* David Loder
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WHAT HAPPENED TO LODER.?
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HE WENT BREAKING YEARLINGS FOR THE ARABS , seems to have given it all up now..he was a smashing trainer of 2yos ...STONES GINGER WINE ..GREAT MEMORIES OF THOSE RACES...
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Bryan Marshall
D V Dick A P Thompson J Dowdeswell J Gilbert ( rode over hurdles only) A C Rawlinson E Larkin N Stirk J Skilling |
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Johnnie Gilbert - Some tribute....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-johnnie-gilbert-1486610.htmlbute |
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Reculver, any chance you could upload the Wye racecard, I'd be interested in taking a look.
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Ain't got a clue how to, but i'll try.
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Take a few pictures,I think if you click on your Username top right. That should take you to your profile and from there you should be able to upload the pictures you've taken. They then sit awaiting approval from Betfair. As soon as approval is granted you can post them on here.
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The link is the Wye card of October 1973
http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/whitwhitlaw/2fab14368722a7e849547e8086a072e8.jpg?v=238464 |
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Never fails does WHITWHITLAW , always on hand to help....
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I've been working on a new site recently which I will be launching on June 1st. It's called Jockeypedia and is a collection of jockeys' biographies. The first 200 are riders from the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries and I'm now doing the jockeys who rode between the two wars and after.
The point is, I have one section dedicated to stories about jockeys (past and present). On this I invite people to write in with any anecdotes or tales they may have. Obviously you have all been doing just that on this site and I was wondering if anyone would object to me lifting one or two of the stories just to kick the page off? There was a lot of good stuff there and it would be nice to include it. Let me know what you think. Regards to everyone. |
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Congratulations WHIT. Very professional appearance to the site, will provide many of us with hours and hours of interesting reading.
I hope you get the support you deserve with many contributions of new tales and information. https://sites.google.com/site/jockeypedia/home |
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Great stuff. I'm sure no-one would mind you lifting stuff off here. It's a pity the poster Henry the Seventh isn't around here any more (assuming he isn't) as he had plenty of knowledge and tales to tell.
Site looks good. Though i think your link to William Halsey looks a bit wrong (it shows as 'Jockeypedia....Hal...' - and the text within refers to Walsey in places. I don't mean to be at all critical - it's just the way my mind works!. ..and in case you want to add the online book for Pretty Polly, it's here - http://archive.org/details/prettypollyhisto00lech (I particularly like the photo early in the book of her passing the post 10 lengths clear (of among others, John O Gaunt), on her debut over 5f at Sandown. There are precious few photos available of old champions showing how good they were, but that's one of them, imo.) |
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WHIT:-
Having looked at the site once (about an hour ago), using the link Shalimah provided above, I'm now finding I can't access it - I'm being asked to sign in (to Google), and then being denied access when I do sign in. I doubt this is the way you want it to work - for just read access - is it just a temporary hitch? |
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I had the same problem Ged.
Appears to be working fine now, have a look at the free online books, the one on riders colours would have been handy on the thread on that theme a few weeks ago. |
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Thanks, lads - I knew you wouldn't let me down. There is, I know, a slight problem accessing the site: this is down to Google at the other end. It's nothing I've done wrong I don't think. The problem is - you can't directly contact Google with any problems. They just refer you to different forums and it's very difficult to sort out the slightest hiccup. Jockeypedia is a free site with no password needed whatever Google may say. Clicking on any one of the jockey names will give you access. You should actually be sent to the home page and that is what I'm trying to sort out.
Anyway, glad you seem to like it. Ged, I have no problem with anyone pointing out any mistake, however trivial. You are like me, I think. I like things to be right as well. I will certainly add the Pretty Polly book which, incidentally, is the first contribution anyone has made, so it has that distinction. If anyone else can think of anything or find anything which could be added, I'd be very grateful. I check this site every day, so any problems, just leave them here. Once again, thanks everybody! |
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jockeypaedia is absolutely first class.
I will contact you later, may be able to help with additional information, Well done |
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One thought that occurred to me WHIT was it might be worth e mailing the IJF with details of you`re site. I am sure some of the old boys in the residential homes would enjoy browsing Jockeypedia and may well be on for contributing an interesting tale or two.
About ten or more years ago I went to an IJF do at Doncaster at the Leger meeting, was sat at a round table of twelve with Jimmy Etherington on my left and about half a dozen other Jockeys in their 60s or 70s,you could have spent a week listening to them and still come back for more. |
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WHITWHITLAW , delighted this thread has inspired you to greater things
 ....A magnificent site , well done indeed sir.... |
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In fact , i'd say having started reading one of the free books. Nightingalls ,that its an incredible site , the ease of use of the site for a computer mug like myself is breathtaking ....
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Morning quiz before racing.
http://www.triviala.com/quizzes/play/id/10659 |
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I got 2 wrong Tambourine Man...I'm ranked 2/26...not bad , smashing little quiz...
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Ged
Nice to see you are still contributing to a quality thread, I read with interest the contributions from Guardamar and Paulbu about Frankie Carr. I can add a postscript to the gamble on Dominator although I was sworn to silence at the time. The horse won at 20/1 and Frank backed it by post - posting the letters off on the morning of the race. That evening I was walking up to Malton from Norton when Frank who was just getting back from the races spotted me and jumped out of his car punching the air in celebration. When he told me how he had placed the bets I had the unenviable job of telling him that he would only be paid 4/1 win and evens a place as the letters would arrive after the advertised time of the race starting. Frank then had to phone John Smith the owner with the news and swore me to silence. I think I know Guardamar - a.grand lad, if I am correct we planned to start training in Franks old yard but they would not renew the lease and the stables were built on like so many of the old stables So we went out separate ways - hope he is doing well. |
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What a fine thread this is ... Should be bumped up regularly for Forumites to enjoy reading.
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Someone posted " are some jocks better over different distances"
Put me in mind of 1 that I was told had athma & was best in sprints ? I dont think that hes had a mention on here K TEMPLE NIDD......a Northern lightweight.................if I remember correctly. |
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mange, Keith has been referred to quite a few times on here at regular intervals, happy hunting...!
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Hello OJForumites..
Just saw on RUK that Eddie Hide is visiting Jack's house in Malton. Good to see the **** of the North still around. |
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Good to see this thread back up.
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Sparrow
Whenever I see your name on here it reminds me of this chap.I was reminded recently of the late Philip Povall, a successful jockey half a century ago. Can you tell me about his career? G Osborne East Sussex The Anorak says: Philip Povall was a lightweight jockey in the 1950s and early 1960s, the leading apprentice in the north who nearly won the Ebor. Indentured to Percy Vasey at Wetherby, he enjoyed his best season in 1953, when his 30 wins made him the leading apprentice in the north and placed him fourth in the national apprentices' table, behind Joe Mercer, Lester Piggott and Jimmy Lindley. Among the youngsters who finished below him were Edward Hide, Geoff Lewis and Wally Swinburn snr. Povall was nicknamed 'Sparrow' because of his size, as he was one of a now-extinct breed, an ultra-lightweight jockey who specialised in handicaps. He could ride at less than 7st with ease, and gained his biggest win on Faint Hope in the Nottingham Stewards Cup in 1960. The best horse he rode was Water Wings, a filly trained by Charles Elsey for Jim Joel. The partnership won the Ebor Trial Handicap by 12 lengths at Redcar in August 1959, and came second in the Ebor 12 days later. Water Wings (7st) might well have won had she not been badly crossed at the start (no stalls in those days) and relegated to last place, many lengths adrift. She made steady progress to lead over three furlongs out, but could not repel Primera (9st) and Piggott, and wa beaten a length and a half. The demand for Povall's services declined as minimum weights rose, especially in handicaps, and he scored the last of his 134 wins in Britain in 1964. Other lightweights of that era included Micky Greening, Ray Reader, Jock Carson, Norman McIntosh, Derek Morris, Cliff Parkes, Walter Bentley and Tommy Carter. |
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Remember that post, TambourineMan. Povall was just finishing his career as I started backing horses on a regular basis.
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Re apprentices in thoses days; Can anyone remind me what the age "break" was? 21?? Piggott, Mercer and Lindley were pretty much fully fledged jockeys by then, having ridden out their claims and were only "apprentices" by dint of their age. In fact, in that 53 season, Joe finished 11th in the overall Jockey's table with Lester back in 15th place
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reculver 27 Apr 13 14:35
WHAT HAPPENED TO LODER.? workrider 27 Apr 13 16:40 HE WENT BREAKING YEARLINGS FOR THE ARABS , seems to have given it all up now..he was a smashing trainer of 2yos ...STONES GINGER WINE ..GREAT MEMORIES OF THOSE RACES... Training P2Pers now. |
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Decided to resurrect this superb thread in case anyone missed it first time round.
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Thanks Posy,I'd nearly forgotten it .
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Themightymac, Maybe this will help .
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Thanks workrider.
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No problem..
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Just seen Eddie Hide on ATR.First visit to Ripon since he retired.
Looking good and still very sharp upstairs. |
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Fect it was watching the match
 Great that hes still getting about ,must be nearly 80 ? |
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This is 15 years ago so he is aging well...
THE familiar toothy grin will be remembered by many grateful punters but nowadays former leading northern Flat jockey Edward Hide wears a look of contentment with his life away from racing. As he approaches 64, he now watches racing on television in between tending to the garden or playing golf. But despite going to scale two stone heavier than in his heyday, Hide still appears in great shape almost 15 years after retiring from the saddle. He said: "When I first thought about giving up I got an interview for a Jockey Club stewards secretary and I was disappointed when they turned me down. "But, on reflection, it was probably a good thing as it would have meant I was dealing with the jockeys I used to ride against. Nevertheless I still feel I would have had something to offer on issues like misuse of the whip. "I seldom go the races these days as it's not the same when you're not involved but I like to follow the fortunes of my nephew Philip who's a jump jockey in the south." A regular on the Scottish circuit, Hide won a clutch of big races during his career. His haul included the 1973 Derby on Morston, two 1,000 Guineas (Waterloo 1972) and Mrs McArdy (1977) and two St Leger's on Cantelo (1959) and Julio Mariner (1978). He also bagged the Lincoln three times as well as the Northumberland Plate, the Magnet Cup, the November Handicap, the Nunthorpe Stakes, the July Cup, the Kings Stand Stakes and the 1967 Ayr Gold Cup on Farm Walk. "When I first retired I had spells as agent to Walter Swinburn, assistant trainer to John Gosden and racing manager to the Matthews but now I am enjoying myself. "We've a little farm near Malton and my wife Sue and I used to have four broodmares. We bred the winners of around 80 races but we've given that up because it's not a viable game if you can't compete at the top. "I also enjoy a game of golf or tennis to keep me fit. If I'm honest, I'd have to say my golf isn't that good but I reckon I'm well handicapped." It sounds as if Hide is associated with yet another handicap good thing. COPYRIGHT 2001 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday |