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collywobble, reading a summary Of Ronald Thompson's fortunes for the 1986 flat season, it would appear that 2-y-o Team Effort was first past the post in three races but its total prize money for the season was less than £4k. No wonder it went abroad.
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some wonderful names on todays birthday list ....starting with ..kipper lynch 73...paddy farrell...49....brian henry also 73...did kipper ride for hobbs...?...i seem to remember brian henry was another of the brilliant lightweights....
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Yes Kipper did ride for Hobbs,i think he came from south London and if i remember rightly,he had a bad car accident which left him with an eye injury.
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I'll post a load of stuff "according to Cope" re Kipper Lynch. BUT didn't he play the violin?. Seriously!! - I am sure I read it sometime past, but can't find anything on it.
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good man black barn , looking forward to that...
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workrider, Brian Henry couldn't do 7-13 on Zardia in the 1968 November Handicap so Avril Vasey gave the ride to Ray Still. He wasn't a proper lightweight as say in the Cliff Parkes mould.
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Here are Kipper's first three seasons to be going on with.
“Kipper Lynch” 1956 season – “Early last August, the Winchester trainer Les Hall was in search of a boy to ride Torque in an apprentice handicap at Brighton. Torque had only 6st 5lbs to carry and it was no easy matter to find a capable lad at that weight. A phonecall to Sam Armstrong provided the solution in John Lynch, who thus achieved one of the ambitions of all apprentices – a winner with his very first ride in public “Kipper” Lynch, together with his saddle, only tipped the scale at 4st 10lbs, so still had to carry 23lbs of lead. Lynch will always be light and judging by some of the subsequent races he rode I would say he is destined to be one of our leading featherweight riders for many years to come. I consider the best race he has ridden so far was when he won ton Evening Pleasure at Newmarket in October. When Scobie Breasley ranged alongside on Hoarse, just over a furlong from the finish, Evening Pleasure seemed certain to be beated. But Kipper completely unperturbed, had other ideas and sat perfectly still. Scobie went a neck in front and then timing his effort to perfection, Lynch gathered his mount for a final spurt which landed him home a length winner. It was as cool a piece of riding as one could wish to see anywhere”. 1957 season – “To have put on a stone in weight in just over 12 months would seriously jeopardise the prospects of most youngsters. Not so with Kipper, who went to scale at 4st 10lbs when he had his first ride at Brighton during the 1956 season. “Kipper” can still do 6 stone and from the look of him he will be one of our leading lightweights in 20 years time Where he gets his strength from is a mystery but he is a veritable pocket Hercules. Horses run well for him, he is a good judge of pace and can hold his own in the most keenly contested finish. I shall be surprised if he does not beat last years total of 22 winners this season. 1958 season – Joint third in the apprentice list, with Duncan Keith no less) “It is a rule of the Jockey Club that when an apprentice jockey takes a ride over jumps or outside the British Isles he is automatically required to relinquish his apprentice licence and to take out a full jockey’s licence. Lynch had to make this changeover last August when he rode at Ostend. Lynch has for some time now been recognised as a highly competent featherweight. He possesses phenomenal strength for one so diminutive. Allied to this is a sound judge of pace and a thorough horseman in every sense. |
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would anyone be able to find out where and when following horses won same day,
Pontam at 50/1 and Verdant green 15/8 the latter was ridden by Eddie Hide, possibly 1973-74-75? Thanks |
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MissSC, Pontefract August 3rd 1972.
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its incredible to think how light they rode palbu , that piece on kipper a real mind blower....hard to believe he could not carry his saddle....they were tough men ...
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On Thursday August 3rd 1972, Pontefract, C Williams rode Pontam 50/1 to victory in the 3.45. Eddie Hide finished second in the race. In the 4.45, Eddie Hide won on Verdant Green 15/8.
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workrider, you're right, some of the old cards that Whit posts showing horses set to carry 6st 9lb really show how light jockeys had to be in those days.
Whit, I was at Ponte that day. I remember Pontam because the previous season it had been the subject of a few large bets when winning at Doncaster as a 2-y-o second time up. Connections came to the rails for a bet with Ladbrokes whose representative (he later went out on his own as a bookie in Tatts in the north) joked about them doing their money first time out. There was no mistake this time and I even had a bit on myself. SP was around 9-2 but much bigger was available early on. You might have the card available, Doncaster, May, 1971. |
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Thanks for the information, where do you guys find it?
One other what course same year i think was a win for Miss Sunacelli ![]() |
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Miss Sunacelli, trained by good old Taffy Williams at Ferryhill. Won at Thirsk one summer day. I don't have the racecard.
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Paulbu
re miss sunacelli, it was owned by a gent from Darlington Mr Bill Stoker, he’s still alive and I think living in the barmpton lane area of darlo, Bill owned the Maurice Binks betting shops, can you remember the shop he had in dukes street which was taken over by Ladbrokes, it’s now an estate agents! |
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Ronnie, I remember it well, it was next to a ladies hairdessers just past the cut through from Duke Street to the back of the Majestic and Bondgate. Also, in the early days there was a tiny out of the way LBO just round the corner across Skinnergate in Bells Place. We could go there after school to get the results without the risk of being spotted.
As for Miss Sunacelli, I'm sure you're right and Stoker was the owner, he had several horses with Taffy, so did Darlington butcher Jimmy Taylor (I went to school with Tony Taylor at Reid Street). Taffy had some good apprentices through his hands notably David Coates and Chris Brownless. |
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Paulbu
Why I asked about the Maurice binks shop in Duke Street, my Dad used to manage it before it was taken over by Ladbrokes. Can’t remember the lbo in bells place but can remember one up the alley opposite the Bowes pub it was a very small independent taken over by lads, but they closed it down soon after taking it over. Happy days, the brown pencils, the blower and the boardman. |
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talking about apprentices, I was looking through an old mag from 1974 and during that season the top boys were:
Alan Bond with 40 winners. Shawn Salmon 37. Ian Johnson 26. John Matthias 24. Oliver Gray 23. Terry Cain 21. Richard Marshall 19. Roger Wernham 19 Red Weaver 18. Richard Fox 17. Roger Wernham won the L@dbroke Chester Cup that year riding Peter O'Sullevan's ultra game ATTIVO. Beating the fav. KAMBALDA by a sht hd. The Top 6 Senior Riders that year were: Eddery 148 Piggott 143 Hide 137 Carson 129 Lewis 84 Murray 84 |
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Paulbu....Pontam's first two races (April 13th 1971 debut 3.45) and May 29th when he won at Doncaster plus the result.
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I was looking at the D richardson query the other day whilst working away where it is not possible to login to Betfair, and answer. As stated 'Sparks' went to Germany; the small stable near Epsom that he was attached to was P. Dawson at Kingswood. Not sure if he was a private rainer, but seem to remember the silks were yellow with maroon striped sleves.
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Peter Dawson wasn't a private trainer, but his principal owner was Mrs. B. Gourdeau, horses I remember were Mitsoukp and Mowenko.
Sparks was originally with Arthur Budgett, after leaving Dawson he rode and trained in Germany. Peter dawson was formerly with Peter Cazalet, I think his career finished when Mrs Gourdeau quit. No idea where Peter dawson went or if he istill alive. Anybody know? |
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re Peter Dawson at Kingswood - is that the Kingswood that is about 3 or 4 miles south of Sutton in Surrey, next to Chipstead? I lived there for a couple of years in the early 90s, and never realised there were/had been racing stables there.
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that is it Ged.
Peter Dawson trained at the stables on the A 217. After he went it was a livery for years, after a lot of planning applications it has just been developed. Further south on the A217 at Kingswood is Holly Lodge caravan site. That was Holly Lodge where CV Tabor trained between the wars, 3 Cesarewitch winners. They used the gallops on Walton Heath which was once a private racecourse used by the Nightingall family. |
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I remember a trainer not far from our caravan site when i was a kid,Albert Neaves, always had runners at Folkestone,flat and jumps,i remeber Steve Smith Eccles telling me he started out there.
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Re the posts below referring to Mrs Gourdeau. Her colours were Yellow with purple striped sleeves and cap.
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Albert Neaves = Blue, Brown square, Gold sleeves, collar and cap. Got some other stuff on him somewhere. May take a while though.
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The Catterick race that I referred to earlier that Sparks Richardson won. I've just dug out the racecard, May 1st 1968, fourth race number 3 Mitsouko, trained by P Dawson at Kingswood, owner Mrs B.P Gourdeau, colours yellow, purple striped sleeves and cap (well remembered Expat). I think the name of every horse that she owned began with the letter M.
Whitwhitlaw, thanks for the Pontam racecard at Donny. A frequent scenario in those days, no jockey in the paper, any price in the paper, backed down in price, wins doing handstands. Hound Dog, two from that list that I remember something about, Oliver Gray and Shaun Salmon. Oliver Gray was with Eric Collingwood and then went to Squeak Fairhurst as stable jockey late seventies. Shaun Salmon was with Bill Elsey until his claim went and then he scratched around in the north as a free lance for a few years until he went south to Stuart Matthews as stable jockey. |
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Blackbarn, re Albert Neaves. Seem to remember No Justice and Copperless as a couple of his runners. Joe Guest seemem to ride for him alot if memory serves.
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When Copperless won at Plumpton in May, 1971, he broke the course record. His time of 3mins. 53.8 secs beat the previous course record for two miles by 0.2secs. He was gaining his 10th course win for owner trainer Albert Neaves who had bought the horse 8 years previously for 210 guineas. Ron Atkins was the rider. Up to that date, Copperless had won three hurdles and seven over fences.
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forgotmyusername - Copperless won the "big" Clapper Hunter Chase at Plumpton in 1971 in Albert's colours ridden by Ratkins. No Justice won the oldest of Plumpton's "Cup" races, the Abergavenny in 1968, also in his colours and ridden as you say by the real "Iron Man"
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Ratkins is the source of my favourite quote about Plumpton. "You need a horse with the speed to win over seven furlongs but who can stay two miles" Good old RA.
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Ah Ron Atkins, don't know how we got to page 49 on a thread about old time jockeys before he cropped up. Always had more than a passing interest in his career having found out as a young kid that he was born in my neck of the woods. Even had a spell in the 70's as a trainer.
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Ron Atkins was a favourite of mine. Later trained a few at Elstead in Surrey; one of his owners was Michael Tabor.
RA had a pub/restaurant after. Re Mrs Gourdeau and Peter Dawson, the best of the horses was Majetta who finished 3rd in the July cup. Good luck to all. |
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Willie Nevett. Remember as a 14 year old in September 1957 seeing him ride his last winner, Setting Star at Manchester,He wore the colours Of Major L.B. Holiday,think it was trained by Humphrey Cottrill (not certain of the trainer). The following April 1958 i was working in Epsom and backed the same horse when it won the City and Suburban (When it was a top handicap) at 100-8 Willie Snaith or Stan Clayton could have been riding it by then ,i think it beat Guersillus trained by Capt Elsey ridden by Edward Hide. If anyone on here has the info on Willie Nevett and also the two races mentioned would appreciate it.
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Willie Nevett ,i have just read that Willie Nevett career was until 1956,so i may have got previous post wrong wait to be corrected if that is the case.
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guardamar, In 1956/57 Setting Star was trained by Humphrey Cottrill. In 1958, as a 6-y-o it moved to Dick Hern but was still owned by Major Holliday.
Result of City & Suburban 1958 Setting Star 6-8-9 S Clayton 100-9 Prince Moon 5-9-4 L Piggott 3-1f Wheatley 4-7-8 D Smith 100-9 |
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Paulbu. thanks for info regarding Setting Star,have you any record of it winning at Manchester the previous year1957 when ridden by Willie Nevett, or did he ride his last winner on it in 1956,pretty sure that his last winner was on Setting Star.
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W Nevett rode Setting Star at Manchester, winning at 4/6 fav. The date was Nov 17th 1956. That was the very last time he rode and he was, apparently 'acclaimed all the way from the silver ring to the weighing room'. This was the very afternoon that Josh Gifford, having been involved in a car crash on the way to the course, won the November Handicap at 100/6 on Trentham Boy, who beat Terrible Turk by a short head.
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I knew Whit would come to the rescue.
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Can you find the day RA (Ron Atkins) won on MOURNDYKE at Warwick,it was I think a friday or saturday evening mid to late 70's, remember having a touch that night.
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