Does anyone seriously think they can win 'in running' with ATR pictures ?

why would you use ATR and not LV pics?

it all depends on how you use the delayed pics

Yawn. Had this debate about a month ago and the answer was a resounding yes because I do it and I make good money doing it.

I think you need to rephrase your question to:-

"Does everyone who can't make it pay think that NO ONE can make it pay?"

How do you avoid the obvious pitfalls, for instance the
first signs of niggling ?
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RHM, despite having already covered this subject, you fail
to read my question properly, for instance, I didn't say i
don't make it pay, in fact I didn't say I actually play in
running, so when you have stifled your yawn, close the thread.

1) Your post was entitled 'Does anyone seriously think they can win  'in running' with ATR pics?'

Can't see how i've 'failed' to read it. Yes they seriously THINK they can, and yes they seriously DO.

2) Then you state that it looks 'impossible to you.'

Well, this clearly indicate you don't/can't make it pay imo.

Its just another regurgitated question on the same theme thats been covered many a time before, always with the same outcome.

May 23, 2012 -- 10:25AM, kenilworth wrote:

How do you avoid the obvious pitfalls, for instance the first signs of niggling ?-------------------------RHM, despite having already covered this subject, you failto read my question properly, for instance, I didn't say idon't make it pay, in fact I didn't say I actually play inrunning, so when you have stifled your yawn, close the thread.

do your homework,find the run styles, in a nutshell back the nigglers and lay the travelers.

RHM, I'll be clear, I don't bet in running,
and I hope that might be clear enough, or maybe not.

Rocky, I would imagine those watching 'real time' racing
may also have the ability to spot the nigglers and the
travelers just as well, don't you think ?

most ppl who win IR using atr pics have the common sense to keep quiet about it

You're trying to make smart alec comments like 'and I hope that might be clear enough, or maybe not,' to someone who has, in all probability - based on the the national average - a higher IQ than yours. Please don't patronise me because I can run smart alec comments all day long.

If you don't bet in running what difference does it make to you?! What's more, why start a thread asking a question thats already been answered before?

Further to you opening post, 'any opinions?'

It's not a matter of opinion whether 'Does anyone seriously think they can win  'in running' with ATR pics?' It's simple fact. As black and white as that. YES.

i'm really interested in how you will justify the iq probability rhm when he challenges it lol

May 23, 2012 -- 10:47AM, kenilworth wrote:

RHM, I'll be clear, I don't bet in running, and I hope that might be clear enough, or maybe not.Rocky, I would imagine those watching 'real time' racing may also have the ability to spot the nigglers and the travelers just as well, don't you think ?

I think you will find the majority of real time players are more interested in using the time difference to their advantage.

RHM - do you use ATR or other sources?

elise, let me explain,its simple maths, just like betting. The average is 100. Its a fact.  I would have to only have an IQ of 101 to be in the 51st percentile which means, ever so slightly, I would have a higher probability of having a higher IQ than any chosen person at random in the UK. I am well above the average in recent tests, therefore, in PROBABILITY, I have a higher IQ than kenilworth.

suicide punting.

Besides, it's not a contest, I was demonstrating with sound reasoning why kenilworth shouldnt be making condescending remarks to me!

Bilbo, I use ATR, RUK and BF Video depending. BF Video is the first choice for speed but is far from reliable, as you know, so I'm forced to use ATR sometimes.

To whom it may concern let it be known that  Red Hiney Monkey is a bombastic expert Hamshanker.

Fair enough - you just have to be more alert with ATR pics, I know that but they are not ideal to use. BF video for me.  It's strange that someone( kenilworth) who doesn't bet in-running even raised the question in the first place.

In running ...if you dont know the winners  or losers BEFORE the race ...well you should not be betting .

I backed a horse at NewAbb the other day, in-running, while watching BF LiveVideo. The horses had just jumped the 2nd last and I backed the horse in close-up 3rd - about a second later the market suspended!!!! So they must have been about a hurdle behind.

i understand the math rhm, you seem to be making some generalisations and assumptions in exactly the same way that the op was, if your iq extends that far you might see it

It gets more like a school playground every day on here !

RHM, it was you who started the smart alec comments if you
look back. FWIW i think you protest too much, and I wonder
why. Perhaps I should exclude you as you must be (IYO) a
very special person.

I must be really dumb for not realising there are people
who can win betting 'inrunning' using ATR pictures, as are
those who go to the trouble of attending race meetings to
enable themselves to bet with the advantage of real time
viewing. They cannot aware of existence of the likes of RHM.

kenilworth, RHM IS A real nobend.

I got to hand it to him,RHM sounds like a real shrood dude.

I thought i was pretty shrood to,so i started betting in running using A.T.R pics................Done my Cobblers Big Time.

acey you are wrong, he is nowt but a nobend.

most on-course players NEED the advantage of real-time pics

Thank you Duncan, avery diplomatic comment, which
presumes some can manage without them, (especially
those with high iq's).

has any one else backed a horse in-running , and not realised there sky plus was rewound by a few seconds? does'nt help

done it a few times

hearts,

Not done it myself, but you really are going to struggle doing that!

Iq,s  you dont need em  some of my best friends had Iq,s which were brill  but the horse game  left em skink .. by the way zip is has thick as a brick..well that was on my school report  many a time ...zip still here  zips still winning  joined 2002

yes hearts , couldnt believe the odds being offered and piled in

then you realise somethings badly wrong but dont yet know what

backed a few at 999-1 in jumps racing , cruising along , im thinking this is too good to be true ....... it was the **** fell haha

Wee eck and i do not see eye to eye, probably due to the fact he is, as im told, approaching a grand old age and his views on punting are so outdated it's compelled me to block his posts ever since I posted a profitable laying system on here some time ago.

His one-dimensional views bring to the conlusion no racing systems ever work and always end up in loss.

This forum is so amusing.

bring *HIM* to the conclusion... that should read.

Personally i always thought wee eck Knows His Onions.

I didnt say he doesn't know HIS onions But his views on MY onions (and my onions earn me and wife a good living) one-dimensional.

watchit, I think you will agree that I am a decent judge of a guy and Red Monkey


is a total nobend, bye the bye his system was was complete and utter bollocks.

If you do lots of homework,dodge pots,grinders etc etc you can play in running using ATR.The only way though would be to leave bets in the system,trying to do it from the ATR pics you are watching would be impossible

You can win using atr...but you must obviously take a view early in the race..if you know enough about racing...YES it can be done !!

God no...that would be a cardinal sin...NEVER leave unmatched bets ..that would be the way to the poor house !!...or back to work !!

so basically all your doing is making sure your selection is doing what its supposed to be doing in the first few furlongs of the race b4 you put your bet on,the trouble with that is, thats factored into the bsp and you usually have to take shorter odds for the privalage of making sure you get away ok which in the long term means your going to win or lose about the same,which makes ir on atr a waste of time.

Red Hiney Monkey fed 10,000 people with 1 fish and 2 loaves of bread once

Jesus aint got sh1t on Red Hiney Monkey

hth

why would you use ATR and not LV pics?

Delts has returned.

sky about 9 seconds behind prem league and bt about 12 seconds behind la liga,serie a and ligue 1

you need to get bard,he will tell you who is going to win before it happens ,and he will also tell you the next price that is coming up in running.bard can compute the race in its head as it happens or before it happens.

99% playing in running probably lose…..

99.9

I agree

It is a bit surreal to watch in running prices move quickly when watching a horse that is apparently only in the pack drop to 1.1. I do use in running but only to a strict policy. If I have backed a horse at decent odds I put up a lay at half of the BSP and select keep. The in running decision is taken before the race starts so the delay is irrelevant. Why do I put up a lay? Because I seem to get a lot of decent priced bets that are in contention a furlong out and get beaten so a lay is taken 80% of the time allowing me to break even on those races.

sageform - if you are selecting 'keep' you are placing your lay bet pre-play, so how do you know what BSP is in order to have the bet at half BSP?  Apologies if I am missing something here.

I mean the price that I backed it at (which as I usually leave it fairly last minute) is close to BSP and sometimes I choose BSP for the pre race bet as it seems to me that 80% of BSPs are above the last traded price.

Thanks sageform.

I did a test on a (actually, for once, winning) strategy I had in 2018 or so - placed 2/8 win/place at a price and also at BSP and tracked the P/L for each.  BSP came out marginally ahead, which shows how shrewd I am not at taking prices...

(not relevant to this discussion, but I also tracked how much commission I paid as a fraction of winnings which led to my complete lack of sympathy for those complaining about PC)

Usual bull from the 2 ace holes

Watch yer mooth pal.

acey deucy 24 May 23 16:29 
Watch yer mooth pal.Plain
freddiewilliams 24 May 23 16:23 
Usual bull from the 2 ace holes

Ignore Fred the helmet ffs

Probably

Looks like ipl will be 150 million + inrunning in 3 and a bit hours