racecourse bookmakers today

I'll guarantee that adge was bigger odds than those betting 1/4 odds and burgling on the win prices.

not sure about that what i can confirm is that on the said race i was CORRECT place terms and the place book was no where near overbroke [ 112%].anyway my above comments were tongue in cheek and don't want another row over place terms just feel the place terms are abused by certain bookies at times to my horror i learnt that several bookies were betting a 1/5th on the grand national surely that is indefensable for what it is worth i handed my gold flag back in and only EVER bet what i consider to be the correct place terms on every race i have ever bet on in my life .

AS A RULE(BUT NOT IN ALL CASES)U WILL TEND TO FIND THE BOOKMAKERS(COMMISSION AGENTS)THAT DO NOT BET TO TRADITIONAL PLACE TERMS TEND TO HAVE BETFAIR UMBRELLAS ABOVE THEIR JOINTS(JUST HAVE A LOOK NEXT TIME YOUR OUT)THEN HAVE THE CHEEK TO COME ON THESE FORUMS TO COMPLAIN THAT THE TAKE IS DOWN,U COULDNT WRITE IT

factsmachine i tend to agree with your above post it belies belief to see bookies advertising the oppostion on their mush ! i was given a mush by this firm and the other exchange gave them both away which was a mistake cos they are now doing the rounds at all the tracks with my f****ng name on them !

to top it up the latest betfair mush wudn't look out of place on a B&Q £3.99 patio set !

"Anybody fancy a thick'un"

i lost 1379 on that race , flash , including over 300 on places.

myself , geoff banks and others are currently attacking racing for change on their facebook page regarding the gold flag scheme ,demanding their action together with individual racecourses
on better publicity etc etc
i warned the beverley facebook friends about jack wilson yesterday but they took my [ and robert peaks ] postings down citing libel possibilities

anyone else , punters especially , want to join that debate on facebook please do as it will ruffle their feathers better than sending letters

Where do we post on facebook adge?

you have to sign up , wasnot. at facebook .com
then add facebook "friends ". i find it quite useful as all the racecourses have pages you ask to become a friend with.
they always post news and up to the minute going reports, inspection news etc.
mind you , one or two could be "unfriending " me shortly

adge i think you know me well enough to know i am not having a pop at you , what makes my blood boil is the so called bookmakers who reguarly cheat/abuse the place terms. when there is no need to adjust the terms in there favour ! i handed my gold flag in when "our leaders had the terms altered to suit themselves" which i did not agree too !

thats nice wasnot acusing people who bet 1/4 1234 of burgling

Bath pathetic left after 3
79 bets
Floor take on race 2 £24
Front line pitch
Bet next to 1/6th odd merchant
13/1 13/5 14/5 30/1 u name it

Stayed dry mind :)

adge,i/5 the odds an 18 runner handicap? whether you won or lost there can be no excuse for betting to worse ew odds than traditional tattersal terms and then have the effrontery to critisise other books.

i bet 1/5th on ALL handicaps of 16 to 21 runners which gives a freedom to offer bigger prices than betting offices.
that seems to work as the public like it.
all races 22 runners or more i bet to 1/4 odds

Here we go again mmm.  20/1 @ 1/5th odds or 16/1 @ 1/4.  Which would you say was better value?

Chief apologist wasnot signs in defending the very thing that scunners the punters.

16/1 @ 1/4, every time!




















If you're a bookmaker!

Only 5/16 books in the first bet traditional terms
The fav unshipped on the way to the start
And looked a potential non runner

Reducing the runners from 8 down to 7

Are the 1/6 odds merchants obliged to still pay 3 places

bookmakers can do what they want in that situation nobody cares there are no morals anymore just look at the gr and the rc punishments it has become a farce just look at all these silly names popping up on bookmakers names we are a laughing stock very little honour or pride left

2 proposals for change september 2012, tattersalls pitches minimum 10K purchase price, daily pitch fee £500.

goodbye bank holiday & hobby bookmakers.

agree with half of what you say but not everybody who wants to go full time could get the backing others got anyway why does it bother you now you have retired

flash bookie, you'd need to bet to about 160% on the win book to achieve 112% on the place in an 18 runner hcap going 1/4, 1234 !!!

i didn't look at the prices flash offered , ian , but at 1/5th i bet to arround 107%.
maybe that was the reason that after betting next to me on saturday he went as far away as he could on sunday.
actually , flash bookie took 40 more bets than me on his above figures....they all seemed to be on the last race winner though.

Barry would be fine cos he got a backer, he would then hope to take more money to arb back on here, he cannot arb as much as the part time bookmakers he quotes are taking some of the ever dwindling turnover..... not sure how the idea fits in with the idea of healthy competition and free trade

thats the one

barry dennis • May 8, 2012 3:13 PM BST

2 proposals for change september 2012, tattersalls pitches minimum 10K purchase price, daily pitch fee £500.

Most tattersalls pitches, ain't worth a w*nk!

barry has lived a charmned life with all the free publicty he got via c4 and atr not satisfied with that he would go to any lengths to get an advantage over his fellow bookmakers

He is an exchange agent like many other course operators just on a much bigger scale,

RR dont be scared just put a name to my backer that you know about, I'M WAITING.

the only backers i've got are to the proposals and plenty of them.

10 years ago plenty wouldn't lay a £70/40 now they lay £700/400 and have £380 back at 2.80 and think their clever.

Its called progress!

Dear Mr D

Please can you expand and explain your 2 proposals as i can not follow your logic, with some contracts already signed at racecourses.
Thank you

I have had a pull at Barrys leg on more than one occasion,mostly because of his miserable visage when counting out readies.

However I have for many years agreed with him on many more occasions than disagreed on the subject of on course bookmaking.

In todays climate and the way the big boys have moved there should be no charge for bookmakers to attend a meeting.There should be a ban on any bookmaker hedging with exchanges and at least a 50% reduction in entry prices for punters at every course in the UK.

Any bookmaker wishing to hedge from offshore or UK based shops should be compelled to put it into the on course market.

Fantasy you may say.........impossible to police........quite the opposite and at least a start to get the job going again.

GT-MOLE  made a good living for 30 years without exchanges, would welcome hedging with exchanges banned, lets see em lay £700/400 then.

Hi mr D

Perhaps you would be kind enough to answer my earlier question?

Barry,

Mick Howard, would lay a £700/400




















Whoops, i've only forgotten the f*cking decimal point!

£7.00/4.00

the proposals dont need explaning, contracts aint worth diddly squat, money talks. wait till september and find out.

there is a certain member of the SBPA, that layed £700/400 to a punter when they bet 7/4 each 10 bar, the punter returned within 5 seconds and said "you've given me the wrong horse I wanted the other 7/4 chance" said Bookie?????? replied too late I've already had it back

Mr D

A polite question was asked, i would have appreciated a better natured response.  I did ask for an expansion of your comments.

Be a decent fellow and expand on your comments.

Thank you

pitches minimum £10K to buy,  Daily pitch fees £500, what needs explaining.

barry dennis • May 8, 2012 10:53 PM BST

there is a certain member of the SBPA, that layed £700/400 to a punter when they bet 7/4 each 10 bar, the punter returned within 5 seconds and
said "you've given me the wrong horse I wanted the other 7/4 chance" said Bookie?????? replied too late I've already had it back

Classic, Barry,

Well i have given you the opportunity and you have not failed to disappoint.

Yes it is very clear.  However, the wording asked for an expansion on these points.  This appears something that you are incapable of doing.

Please try harder to read and listen.  Remember we have 2 ears and one mouth.  i would suggest you use these in these proportions in future.

f hell, £10K £500 willget rid of bankholiday and hobby on-course bookmakers. as posted hours ago.

press conference due to be announced tomorrow by jockey club racecourses regarding bookmaker contracts

to the norfolkmafia r u one of those bookmakers that goes 1\8 the odds ?

Sugarsteve you cited "progress" earlier.........does that mean pool betting and exchanges in your mind?

If I read you correctly that is what you will end up with?

gy-judge,

Only in the Grand National,

Btw Bazz I hope you got the gist of what I was saying was serious..........if all off course/offshore were obliged to hedge on course everyone would benefit?

i herd you went 1\6 1st 3

gy-judge,

1/8,

1,2,

Rape is an odious offence for which no penalty is harsh enough but it seems that racecourses get away with it with impunity.

Bangor and as I hear Chester want to run an in house book at 10% below SP,Barry and I disagreed on this subject the other night.

He says those sort of punters dont care/dont know about value.That may be so but it should not make it right.

Whilst supporting on course bookies in getting a fair deal,surely it is paramount that punters get an equal footing.

No punters = no bookies.......no owners = no trainers......no horses = no industry.


Free entry or at least 50% discount for disabled/over 60s........no charge for bookmakers to attend a meeting including staff replaced by a % of profit over a season based on meetings stood at regardless of position or meetings prestige.?

How can all Tatts pitches be considered to be worth at least £10k and worth a £500 daily fee ? The only explanation could be that it is a mechanism for reducing the nos. of books in attendance and hence the demise of bank holiday only layers. Could this proposal be a matter for the OFT ? If I am not mistaken it was not so long ago that the cry went up that the prevailing system was corrupt that prevented back line bookmakers graduating to the front line - I cant remember who shouted loudest ! If there is any truth in the Sept. 2012 proposal does it not hint of the deviciveness that existed in those dark distant days ?

Having read many discussions on hear ,it seams to me ,that bookmakers biggest enemy are their fellow bookmakers in the betting ring.would i be wrong in saying there is a dog eat dog mentality in the betting ring.

always has been swampy as far back as i can remember , but when we left the course we bought each other rounds of drinks in the pub

in fairness there are a few now who would have to buy their own and stand alone in a corner

Democrat,I have never been or wished to be a bookie.However my uncle who recently passed away was one of the first to own a licenced shop when the legislation changed.Also one of the first to sell out to Laddies.......circa 1967/8.Also had the dubious pleasure of my cousin being the youngest licenced bookie at one point.

In the post legal betting world Off Course John Banks one said "A betting shop is a licence to print money"..........no on course bookies suffered as far as I know when off course betting became legal.

Decades later the no tax on course gave the bookies yet another injection to help them along and of course the tracks.20+ years ago I tackled Manny Bernstein and many others about allowing mechanical machines into shops.

Predicted exactly what would happen on and off course and the cuckoo has come home to roost unfortunately.Both sets got greedy and consequently everyone has suffered.

However........the on course books only got greedy in terms of their position and flogging them to the highest bidder.........thereby hangs a tale of some people buying a business they had not a clue about.More to follow.......maybe.

this mick howard who got a mention i was under the impression he was a good bookie as all he ever does is tell people nobody else is capable of bookmaking also does he ever go the correct place terms

Was nobody interested in Adge's post about a press conference today re. jockey club. Adge is the deal public knowledge yet?

I thought Dennis was being bankrolled by Johnson or did that stop?

COULD SOMEONE CHECK OUT THE BETFAIR UMBRELLA COUNT(PREF IN TATTS)PLEASE,AND POST LATER TA.

PS,FOR CHESTER.

I hear that the oncourse betting shops are doing well,as they lay each way at correct terms.

ONCOURSE BETTING SHOPS ARE RUN BY THE "big firms"HENCE THATS WHY U CANT TAKE A PRICE,OR GET A BET ON.

Who said you can't take a price,of course you can.No restrictive practice in operation.No problem getting on either.

OF THE TRACKS I ATTEND,£200 MAX BET AND U CANT TAKE A PRICE,WELCOME TO THE FUTURE.

What tracks facts?I can rattle of loads that I go to,or are you still living in the past when they didn't used to lay prices at the meeting they were at.

why would it matter anyway when the prices outside are bigger.
the betting shops only display the lowest price available from the front line and rails bookmakers

Adge  - you got an update re JCR?

about a week ago we were told a press release would be made today

You have to be joking!This myth about bigger prices,nearly all boards are the same price!
   I fully appreciate that things are tough now for the oncourse layer,who is prepared to stand out in all weathers,however things have changed greatly over the last few years,and will never go back to how they were.It is progress,and may not suit all,but it is happening in many industries.

You will nearly always be able to get a better price in the ring than in the shops. Sometimes you won't have to look far to find it, other times it might be on the second/third lines but as Adge says, it's there

on course will come back all swings and rounabouts, when the hobby/ not serious books have decieded to move away it will leave a stronger market for those left

at Newmarket on guineas day i attempted to have £200 on 3 different horses in 3 different races with 3 different bookmakers. bookie 1, "i was just about to change it."   bookie 2 "you cant have anything"    bookie 3 when showing 9/4 "its 2/1"

if a bookmaker sticks his neck out he is jumped on by his fellow bookmakers who then lays it on the exchanges to make 5p

unbiased you seem to know everything about betting shops (oncourse) and u say getting on is no problem , my pal placed 2x25 fcasts on the dogs (lost() then tried to place tyhe same bet on the next race and was told he could have  the fcasts for 5s

Haven't a scooby about the dogs,as I never back dogs.Anyway we were discussing backing of horses!

nobby ,
sorry to hear you didn't bet with me on saturday
unbiased,
as my day was ruined with stratford being abandoned i spent the afternoon watching chester and commenting on here.
i was surprised at the sp of 9.5/1 for the chester cup winner but more surprised that each way betting on here [ win + place ] was below 1/5th odds and for 2 runners worse than 1/6th odds.
clearly very poor value on here compared to the on course boys

adge,when will you accept that there is NOT an each way market on here,and place betting is a separate entity?
An absolutely pointless excercise.Many players are backing horses place only and doing very well,as they are not having to lay out win money.You know it is not a straight comparison.

i know , unbiased , i was just outlining what poor value the place element was when it is compared to the chester cup

and as i have told you before you CAN bet place only on course with myself and a number of others , so yes you can make a straight comparison

lmfao do people from this forum just go out of there way to find bookmakers who wont lay bets ?

yes jimnast they do.

you actualy said no problem getting a bet on in the oncourse shops.horses /dogs/ footy / or nything for that matter, the advertise prices and getting more than 5 quid on shouldnt be decided by what sport you want to bet on.

When's it gonna stop feckin rainin

BETFAIR UMBRELLA COUNT, 16 IN CHESTER TATTS TODAY

maxed dont fancy chester been on thursday with all this rain.

jimnast i see youve been giving fontwell the swerve, i dont blame you last friday was useless as it was 20 quid to get in to see the band   THE REAL DEAL  who the fksheard of em.newmarket will have van morrison   tom jones and fonter wanna charge 20 quifd to  see a group of blikes whose mother wouldnt recognise them. fontwell was the track going forward 18 months ago now its firmly in reverse.

jimnast i see youve been giving fontwell the swerve, i dont blame you last friday was useless as it was 20 quid to get in to see the band   THE REAL DEAL  who the fksheard of em.newmarket will have van morrison   tom jones and fonter wanna charge 20 quifd to  see a group of blikes whose mother wouldnt recognise them. fontwell was the track going forward 18 months ago now its firmly in reverse.

sorry   group of blokes.

The Open Course enclosure will be closed tomorrow due to water logging.

The Goat Walk will be open.

A decision for the Friday fixture will be made on Thursday.

sickoflayingwinners

i decided 2 years ago to give that friday night fixture a swerve,but as last year was the day of the royal wedding i gave it one more go,i do agree with you about the course was going forward and it now seems to have stalled,still love the place though and will be going more in the proper jump season.

good luck

and as i have told you before you CAN bet place only on course with myself and a number of others , so yes you can make a straight comparison

Correct, and it's not exactly hard to spot who will take those bets - adge had a sign up on his pitch at Newmarket!

strangely , it proved popular with the £2 punters on sunday , dr gonzo.
popular bet when there is an odds on favourite which is understandable
don't bother about unbiased as he seems to live in a time warp , thinking course bookmaking is as it was years ago

Have things improved since 2012 ?

theressomepratsonhere was a good egg

bookies both oncourse and high street get on my t!t$, moan like crazy about 1/4 odds 16 runner handicaps but more more than happy to accommodate 1/4 odds EW's on 7 and 15 runner races.

if only punters would bet each way on 7 runner races ..they do seem to love each way on those 8 runner maidens with a couple of 100/1 shots for some reason though

Are you 'in position' yet for the Open adge ? If you see what I mean ?