Only one person on here spells can't carnt, not another username already?

But who decides what the precise time a horse falls? Do you void all bets 5 secs before fall? There will be an almost impossible grey area in every case.

What about a horse that breaks down? How do you determine the exact time it happens? Why distinguish between a fall and a PU?

The same problem is evident in pretty much all sports. Racing is the hardest though as the event doesn't stop once one outcome can't happen unlike sports such as football etc.

If you were going to go down that route you would effectively end IR on continuous events such as racing.

and it is extremely tedious to suggest a faller can still win...

sure they can TECHINCALLY remount and win the race....

but if they do so the stewards are suspose to lodge and objection and have the horse disqualified.... SURE the stewards might not lodge the objection - but surely they will...

so no a faller cannot win in the UK

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should read "an earful of cider or a void bet" surely.

Not that hard to determine at what point is deemed to have fallen.Lets just say it is at the point that the horses body touches the floor.If the horse is after that by some miracle to get up with the jockey on board and win or be placed.Its no problem because the bets taken after the fall would only be voided after the race.Same for breaking down,say it has broken down when the jockey stops the horse from participating in the race.Again if the horse carried on after looking like it had broken down then no in running bets are voided.A pu is easy to determine,the horse is still on its feet.

Better to have some system than to keep allowing the theft that goes on now and badly tarnishes Betfairs reputation.

Here's how it works right?

1. The race is officially "off"
2. Betfair cancels all bets and suspends the market (unless you've marked your bet as a keeper)
3. Everyone who bets after the suspension knows they are betting "in-running"
4. The in-running rules are clearly laid out and everyone knows what they are
5. If you place a bet you agree to the rules
6. Shut up and stop whingeing
7. Or keep your money in your pocket

What could be simpler than that?

What could be simpler than that?

They could make sure every customer is aware of the true extent of the delays and stop pretending that bet placement delays are there to protect the average punter.

Do none of you guys bet on the cricket ?

When a batsman is out he will be removed from the market following suspension  eg top batsman market if he cannot win that market .  If they can do it for the cricket , why not for the soccer ?

The greening up carp is smokescreen , in the batsman run market when the player is removed from the market , the liability ( if any ) disappears and the free balance is automatically adjusted .  Someone somewhere on betfair does not understand that they operate markets differently for no apparent obvious reason . Somebody wasted £8 tonight on the Fulham match backing 0-0 when it was 0-1 . Think that is wrong .

Good point about fallers being just a small part of the overall rip off FnId.With all the money they make,maybe the answer would be to have close to live in running on here(if possible).But to keep pushing their in running when people are using it to steal,makes them part of the theft also.

Kelly spot on,so why dont Betfair do it on football.Are they profiting from it in some way ?

I mean Betfair to pay for the technology to have close to live on here.

The fallers debate over jumps is different to the correct score market .  There are identification problems , colours problems , commentators error , plus technically In Ireland I still think  faller can be remounted and win ( although not dead sure on that one ) .

Plus time factor , reckon we just thole it on grounds of impracticality .

There IS A CHOICE...............simply dont use the medium if you object to the way it operates.Go back to you V the books ALL IN WIN OR LOSE...........simple.hth

Point taken Kelly but it would be possible to identify a faller after the race.Which is when the bets taken after the horse has fallen would be voided.Once a horse has fallen any money taken from a punter on it winning is fraud and i am sure if it went to court it would be proved to be fraud.Maybe Betfair should consider if this happened,a judge may ban all in running betting as the only sure way to stop this theft.

There IS A CHOICE...............simply dont use the medium if you object to the way it operates.Go back to you V the books ALL IN WIN OR LOSE...........simple.hth

It doesn't really rscaughtboy. Presumably you'd have backed the banks if they said something similar to those who'd taken out loan insurance?

Enlighten me then  rrscaughtboy re fallers in Ireland .

Apart from the fact that I seldom bet in running when the only pictures available are slow ( as they are from Ireland unless you have terrestrial RTE ). And I am not in the business of scalping faller backers , or seeking to back 1000 winners . I therefore categorise myself in the "no need to know that information camp" , but would not want to mislead others possibly .

Just to illustrate the point , Gambhir was out in the first over against Australia for a duck , removed from the top Indian batsman ( first innings ) when Sehwag scored the first run . Can be done .

Ballyregan makes a valid and salient point.........i backed heavily Double Dizzy when the wrong course was taken at Chelt.Conversely I had Glens Boy on Saturday with 2 winners at 15/2 and 3/1 and Torphichen at 12/1  and a 13/2 place in an ew lucky 15 and an ew acca.

All bets off..........or just unlucky?

Toronto............if you can read the SMALL PRINT....1.07........the others can.


If you or others cannot........DONT USE IT?

I will post this yet again.I posted this on their feedback site where they invite customers to join and give them feedback on things.When posted the majority agreed and even the reaserchers agreed and said it would be looked into.This was in November 2010 and yet nothing was aid about it by Betfair.Most will have saw it before as iv kept it alive as i really believe in it and some dont agree thatsfine.Again this is the original post and some points may be alittle off but yous get the gist.

After carefully reading Outsiders views on bets being matched at 1000/1 when horses have fallen,we as punters should be asking the question when is a bet a bet.
Bookmakers have to trade under the rules that if there is the scenario where a bet is placed but no customer can win then all bets are viod,ie if all horses fall in a race (no finnishers) its a void race and all bets refunded,now when it was allowed that jockeys could remount and complete the course then someone betting 1000/1 shot always had the possibility that all horses could fall and their be remounted and win as shown in the video link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnE-q5rOEKQ&playnext=1&list=PLCCCAD3C28AA5EB99&index=39

In my opinion since the rules have changed and jockeys can no longer remount due to animal welfare issues Betfair are in grave danger of breaking the law by allowing someone to lose money on something that cant actually win,and this has happened to me where having slower pictures/connection iv placed an in play bet been matched at 1000/1 after the horse has fallen and had no chance of winning,NOT EVEN A 1000/1 chance in fact NOT EVEN A 1000000/1 chance.

Now the question has to be asked are these bets 1st of all morally right and second of all legally right and shouldnt Betfair be protecting what i would have to call vulnerable people by voiding all bets matched on outcomes that cant possibly win.
I personally dont know what kind of licence Betfair have but in a bookmakers licence 1 of the main points is what will you do to protect VULNERABLE members of the public.Now in a meeting i had with the guy from the Gambling Commission he explained to me that can cover anything from mental health problems to excessive drinking to people who you think may have a serious gambling problem and i can assure you that bookies have to go to extensive lengths to convince them before getting a licence.
Now here is my point,if someone is getting pictures direct from the course and someone else is watching it live from Betfairs feed(10 seconds delay roughly) and a horse they placed a bet on falls just before they place the bet(within the 10 seconds)isnt the person with the time delay now vulnerable to the person without the time delay because they have been matched on a bet that now cant possibly win,whereas before the rules changed thet bet in theory could still win as shown above?
I think Betfair seriously need to address this and also take a serious look at the how many goals will there be in a game at football because when it goes 1-0 to a team 1 or more goals cant possibly lose however people can still lay it at 1.01 as there is always money waiting to bet it,i know you would have to be full daft to do this but again someone could do it and claim they were vulnerable or didnt fully understand the rules etc however they should never have been able to lose money where they couldnt possibly win no matter what the outcome was.

Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this and especially someone from Betfairs side.