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I can't give too much away, but the best I know makes £40k a year avg. on the horses purely from backing.
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The more I watch the racing circus the more i realise what a remarkable number of tos s pots that are on the gravy train,with an unbelieveable lack of knowledge,and complete ineptitude and lack of ability.
I dont know him personally but I have heard of this guy who had 23 million on - had there been more takers he would have gone all in for about 600 million. The bet lost but as far as I am aware he did not have to pay anything.
this was a good thread just thought I would bring it back to the top
Terrific reading this thread , just had a skip through the 1st 7 or 8 pages . Some of the old names still knocking around ... Wonder what's happened to those we don't see on here anymore ?
By the way lads any of you 'Old Boys' caught the first two episodes of Peaky Blinders ?
By the way lads any of you 'Old Boys' caught the first two episodes of Peaky Blinders ?
never met the guy,but all many tell me pete jones was very good in the old days.not sure if still alive?
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A legendary answer.
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A legendary answer.
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hope steps ok.
a fantastic read,thanks to all contributors
a fantastic read,thanks to all contributors
Yes the giggilo,two names not talked of around the tv channels at all,but the old boys assure me these were the deal!
Does the author of the thread mean 'best winning gambler' ? If so do all the answers given to date qualify ?
Some of the punts on her,I'd have a heart attack,win or lose
metro john
23 Sep 13 08:01
Yes the giggilo,two names not talked of around the tv channels at all,but the old boys assure me these were the deal
Known steve for 30 years was betting with him for 3/4 years he lives down the road!The early 80s onwards was just cannon fodder for anyone putting the hours in more recordings and coverage of racing books were clueless and on track so they just cleaned up on everything.I was a teenager when I first used to go to steves office as was best mates with his younger brother,when I was in my late 20s I was putting on for him with his brothers I would pick up the paper for him in the morning and be in the office by 7am.If I hadn't met him would probably not have done this for a living and been stuck in the daily rut.In the early days of photo betting steve would have an elastic band running down the screen
and rarely got them wronghe also did all the entries for sea deer when it won all those races over a 16 month period and wardara and a few others that ran up sequences over a few seasons.
23 Sep 13 08:01
Yes the giggilo,two names not talked of around the tv channels at all,but the old boys assure me these were the deal
Known steve for 30 years was betting with him for 3/4 years he lives down the road!The early 80s onwards was just cannon fodder for anyone putting the hours in more recordings and coverage of racing books were clueless and on track so they just cleaned up on everything.I was a teenager when I first used to go to steves office as was best mates with his younger brother,when I was in my late 20s I was putting on for him with his brothers I would pick up the paper for him in the morning and be in the office by 7am.If I hadn't met him would probably not have done this for a living and been stuck in the daily rut.In the early days of photo betting steve would have an elastic band running down the screen
and rarely got them wronghe also did all the entries for sea deer when it won all those races over a 16 month period and wardara and a few others that ran up sequences over a few seasons.
Sea Deer landed me a beautiful trixie one day. Lovely horse.
Met Steve Gough twice at Dunstall Park (fibresand).... he got the best info ! 
Was there the day he ''copped'' £250k on a £3 Super Heinz !
Was there the day he ''copped'' £250k on a £3 Super Heinz !
He did 2 Heinz's the one he gave to evrryone had a winner less!!
Thought he went through the card mate... seven races ?....
He did two one had all winners the other one less winner same races but one with 6 winners the other had 7 that's the bet everbody else had on in the shops think he had the 1,2 in the same race.
what is this nonsense?...the best by 17 ZILLION MILES IS...money tree
a true genius.
a true genius.
barstool
23 Sep 13 22:23
Did he back all the low draws that day
I can't remember any of the winners it was at least 14 years ago and I wasn't on the bets as I had just started on my own at that point,i rember seeing the bets he showed me but the winners I've forgotten would be easy to find if I knew the year.
23 Sep 13 22:23
Did he back all the low draws that day
I can't remember any of the winners it was at least 14 years ago and I wasn't on the bets as I had just started on my own at that point,i rember seeing the bets he showed me but the winners I've forgotten would be easy to find if I knew the year.
giggsy you are good..but the stuff tree comes up with is truly astonishing.
There's no one to touch me and at least a dozen on here with mailed picked over a 2 year period could vouch for it and they're just the bets I have time to send out!
bronze and silver cup double for the tree 33-1 and 28-1..you can not compete with that pal
..and he doesnt aftertime!
..and he doesnt aftertime!
Sep 24, 2013 -- 2:01AM, sofiakenny wrote:
bronze and silver cup double for the tree 33-1 and 28-1..you can not compete with that pal..and he doesnt aftertime!
2 bad lays he had there
Ii remember putting a placepot on(indirectly for someone) , they had put 10p units on the slip,a big bet lots of selections,i walked into low morals and they made me have 5p units(The truth for the winners),mind you they were having plenty of 10 grand checks in that period.
Too be honest ,steve wa Kaiser Soze like figure too me in those days(boys imagination) but when the trading started on here(like that he was gone)
I may have seen some of the older guys posting on this thread as I was a regular at White City, Wembley and Slough. I had 3 dogs, one of them, Claremont Point trained by Paddy Pierce, also had one at Reading with Terry Atkins. A mate of mine had a few with Wally Ginzel at Wembley, he used to take the better one flapping at Hinckley, although I doubt WG knew anything about it. Good days !
indian ronnie for me . Once asked webster how much he could back a horse to win ,webster replied "nothing" ," what about that one colin" ronnie asked " same nothing and that applies to every horse in the race " . Also once won 640k off Little one afternoon at York
cakes1978
Is Indian Ronnie still about, I remember many years ago at ascot lights saying to him "you must be having a bad run Ronnie your getting paler".
Is Indian Ronnie still about, I remember many years ago at ascot lights saying to him "you must be having a bad run Ronnie your getting paler".
ronnie rails
Have not seen the indian for a few years, spends most of his time in South Africa but was sighted at epsom last year . A true gent, a fearless punter and a very clever man .
Have not seen the indian for a few years, spends most of his time in South Africa but was sighted at epsom last year . A true gent, a fearless punter and a very clever man .
The best gambler I know is Johnny the Deal
A man of wisdom and nerves of steel
He wins on everything big and small
And was betting on horse before he could crawl!
A man of wisdom and nerves of steel
He wins on everything big and small
And was betting on horse before he could crawl!
metro john
25 Sep 13 09:58
Ii remember putting a placepot on(indirectly for someone) , they had put 10p units on the slip,a big bet lots of selections,i walked into low morals and they made me have 5p units(The truth for the winners),mind you they were having plenty of 10 grand checks in that period
I remember going into hills having 1100 bets to tuppence in hills shop all they would take for one of steves perms.i went to an independent they took it to 5ps but was a place 6.The placepot paid half the place 6 and the independent had to pay out over 5k just for this £50 bet,they also did tissue prices on all races I remember doing some acca for steve 12 horses mostly very short but they were pricing up 1/2 when these things should've been 1/10.We closed the shop in 3 months!Most of the time we had to travel out,as soon as you're trying to get Canadians on to any sort of stake the alarm bells start ringing and you could never get a bet on.They even had our profiles yet we were only putting on and very rarely visted the same shops.
It took e 2 years after I stopped putting on to persuade them the bets I was putting on were my own but that was inevitable I think they let me bet with hills for about 12 months winning consistently on placepots for 2 years.I remember I won 10k and 5k in two weeks back to back the third week I walked in they upped the stakes so you could only do them to 10p so big perms became harder to speculate on and they obviously wouldn't want to take the bets.
25 Sep 13 09:58
Ii remember putting a placepot on(indirectly for someone) , they had put 10p units on the slip,a big bet lots of selections,i walked into low morals and they made me have 5p units(The truth for the winners),mind you they were having plenty of 10 grand checks in that period
I remember going into hills having 1100 bets to tuppence in hills shop all they would take for one of steves perms.i went to an independent they took it to 5ps but was a place 6.The placepot paid half the place 6 and the independent had to pay out over 5k just for this £50 bet,they also did tissue prices on all races I remember doing some acca for steve 12 horses mostly very short but they were pricing up 1/2 when these things should've been 1/10.We closed the shop in 3 months!Most of the time we had to travel out,as soon as you're trying to get Canadians on to any sort of stake the alarm bells start ringing and you could never get a bet on.They even had our profiles yet we were only putting on and very rarely visted the same shops.
It took e 2 years after I stopped putting on to persuade them the bets I was putting on were my own but that was inevitable I think they let me bet with hills for about 12 months winning consistently on placepots for 2 years.I remember I won 10k and 5k in two weeks back to back the third week I walked in they upped the stakes so you could only do them to 10p so big perms became harder to speculate on and they obviously wouldn't want to take the bets.
I normally would always go with ~Johnno~ who has put up (Locally) Auroras encore 130 BSP and Neptune Collonges BSP 60 over the last few years, but Tony Calvin's rich vein of form over the last few months over Cheltenham and including Gratzie today at 8.0 and Qualify at 116 (testimented on Betting.Betfair.com)has made him the new Hugh Taylor IMV
Pete
Pete
the poster STEPHARD def had an interesting life jeez.
id imagine he is best friends with Harry Findlay , looks like Harry gave it all back -pity really ,great gambling brain ....
Stephard i wonder were you in that programme few yrs back with Harry ..on youtube from bbc.. very good it was ..great stuff..
great stuff in this thread too
id imagine he is best friends with Harry Findlay , looks like Harry gave it all back -pity really ,great gambling brain ....
Stephard i wonder were you in that programme few yrs back with Harry ..on youtube from bbc.. very good it was ..great stuff..
great stuff in this thread too
the poster STEPHARD def had an interesting life jeez.
id imagine he is best friends with Harry Findlay , looks like Harry gave it all back -pity really ,great gambling brain ....
As he gave it all back - he's hardly a great gambling brain is he !
id imagine he is best friends with Harry Findlay , looks like Harry gave it all back -pity really ,great gambling brain ....
As he gave it all back - he's hardly a great gambling brain is he !
G Hall 11 Dec 11 18:46
There was a guy in late 70's early 80's stewart simpson who wrote a book,called always back winners,then disappeared was he a real person or another fairytale
Great book. Certainly contains some excellent information that continues to throw up winners.
There was a guy in late 70's early 80's stewart simpson who wrote a book,called always back winners,then disappeared was he a real person or another fairytale
Great book. Certainly contains some excellent information that continues to throw up winners.
stand by my statement Facts...no doubt he was careless but he was serious player for a long time
Interesting thread from the past.
It was good to read about some of the old characters.
I met a couple of the names mentioned - mainly in the Backhouse shop by the victoria casino (just off edgeware RD) in the late 80's early 90's.
There were a few characters in there!
It was good to read about some of the old characters.
I met a couple of the names mentioned - mainly in the Backhouse shop by the victoria casino (just off edgeware RD) in the late 80's early 90's.
There were a few characters in there!
JM is 2 years into a 4 stretch now
should be out soon
wonder if he wrote that book he was talking about
should be out soon
wonder if he wrote that book he was talking about
Some great characters from the past on here. Well worth a read. I believe wee eck still posts on the lay thread but under a different forum name.
Yes Kristian is knocking on now. Maybe past his best....who knows ?
F. Thomas Bruss.
professor of mathematics
"The art of a right decision"
Excellent .
professor of mathematics
"The art of a right decision"
Excellent .
stewarty b - actually, I think you can! The new plastic fiver has some protein or animal fat in it I understand, but the vegetarians/vegans are campaigning to have it removed!
Spoilsports - love munching on a fiver when I get hungry!
Spoilsports - love munching on a fiver when I get hungry!
dont know if this qualifys as best gambler i know but in the early 70s fat kevin (he was a big lad ) came into the boozer where i was drinking one night and was borrowing money from anyone who would entertain him ,£1 £5 £10 anything he could get his hands on hit the pub land lord for a score and when he had asked everyone finished his drink and fooked off ,next day i was in a meccas shop and kevin walks in on the borrow again ,so i says to him whats going on ,he says i have had a word for one next week good price and i am getting as much dough as i can to lump on it, or words to that effect.
are you having a bet now i says ,no fook it not having a bet ,iam saving it and going to the track and its shyte or bust i am of to the pawn shop and he pulls from out of his sky rocket a bag full of his wifes tom ,rings belcher chains earings the lot ,i am putting the lot in and having it on ,over the next 4 or 5 days kevin is till doing the rounds borrowing from any one he can and raising money he was a van driver and on the friday he gets his wages (cash in those days ) and gives his missus a tenner and keeps the rest for the bet ,sells his car it was only an old runaround and he wouldnt have got a lot for it but tbh i think he would have sold his ar$hole if he could to raise money ,
anyway day of race midweek and he is off to one of the gaffs it was plumpton or fontwell iirc ,a few off us are in the know about the name of the horse but i was a young buck in those days with only a passing interest in betting and i think i had a £5 or something on it , dont know ecxactly how much kev had raised over the 4 or 5 days but it must have been a fair whack my wages were about £20 a week back then and you could get a good bet on in those days t the tracks and shops fat kevin had put his fookin life on the line his marriage etc and he had all those people to pay back some would have been faces who you had to pay back or a spell in hospital would have followed ,anyway i am back in the meccas shop with a few mates waiting for the race ! long story short kevs horse gets backed from 8s to 9/2 takes it up at the 2nd last wins by about 8l happy days ........fook knows how much he won but it must have been life changer for him . he had some **** did kev !
are you having a bet now i says ,no fook it not having a bet ,iam saving it and going to the track and its shyte or bust i am of to the pawn shop and he pulls from out of his sky rocket a bag full of his wifes tom ,rings belcher chains earings the lot ,i am putting the lot in and having it on ,over the next 4 or 5 days kevin is till doing the rounds borrowing from any one he can and raising money he was a van driver and on the friday he gets his wages (cash in those days ) and gives his missus a tenner and keeps the rest for the bet ,sells his car it was only an old runaround and he wouldnt have got a lot for it but tbh i think he would have sold his ar$hole if he could to raise money ,
anyway day of race midweek and he is off to one of the gaffs it was plumpton or fontwell iirc ,a few off us are in the know about the name of the horse but i was a young buck in those days with only a passing interest in betting and i think i had a £5 or something on it , dont know ecxactly how much kev had raised over the 4 or 5 days but it must have been a fair whack my wages were about £20 a week back then and you could get a good bet on in those days t the tracks and shops fat kevin had put his fookin life on the line his marriage etc and he had all those people to pay back some would have been faces who you had to pay back or a spell in hospital would have followed ,anyway i am back in the meccas shop with a few mates waiting for the race ! long story short kevs horse gets backed from 8s to 9/2 takes it up at the 2nd last wins by about 8l happy days ........fook knows how much he won but it must have been life changer for him . he had some **** did kev !
always admire the bottle he showed with that bet ..............l doubt many would have took the risk to that extent ,i was only a young buck with just my prick to keep he had a wife kids etc ,he put his whole life on the line ............legend
dont know ! a little while later i was invited for a stay at one of her majestys etablishments and lost touch and by the time i was released he had moved away !if he is still with us he will be punting as we all know its in the blood ! what i must add is if the bet had gone tits up kev would have found a way to pay up all he owed , diamond !
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There's a cracking thread on chitchat called"BETTING SHOP CHARACTERS"....spent hours reading it last night....just by the way is it possible to bring up a thread from another forum,e.g. chit chat,ante post onto this forum?...probably not,it's difficult enough getting posts to show up here anyway at times
lead on an old thread called dodgiest betting shops by goggles was a blinding read
me - then again probably not as loads on here probably received the same!
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Just saw this fred I wonder if anyone here ever came upon a guy called Paul Stringer? now there was a gambler, mostly dogs but did he make the bookies shudder he was something else, fearless and a gent. I think he's longer with us but a true gambler.
Jun 11, 2019 -- 1:01PM, sparrow wrote:
Another fine thread from the past.
Shortly to be ruined by the usual faces
I have never met anybody that makes money from betting on Horses.
Jun 11, 2019 -- 1:31PM, StillLearning wrote:
Jun 11, 2019 -- 1:01PM, sparrow wrote:Another fine thread from the past.Shortly to be ruined by the usual faces
Faeces
acey deucy 11 Jun 19 13:39
I have never met anybody that makes money from betting on Horses.
I also haven't met any posters from this forum.
I have never met anybody that makes money from betting on Horses.
I also haven't met any posters from this forum.
my uncle George who we bury on Friday, taught me 'his' rules if I wanted half a chance to make it pay. He took me around the London dog circuit at the tender age of 14/15.He was the first person i knew who would go to meetings and not have a bet. He knew everything about every dog/trialist, turn right/left out of traps etc.
A great man who loved his dog racing, but discipline was his strong point, happy times in my life
A great man who loved his dog racing, but discipline was his strong point, happy times in my life
I do know a mug gambler who got lucky and got a decent win last November .......
there was black sonny from the old kent road london and the swan and manchecter george
Never exactly knew him but I chatted to Barry Hills a few times and he clearly made money from betting. I remember a day at Bath standing next to him on the stand. Guy Harwood had an odds on fav so I had backed a Hills horse without the fav. It was second a neck ahead of the third with 100 yards to go so I started shouting for it and Barry asked me what my bet was. I told him 7/2 without the fav and he put his head on one side and said "that was a very good bet" He always nodded and said hello after that. You always had to avoid the ones ridden by R Street though. Out the back or round the outside.
Measured by a strike rate and/or a p/loss in my working experience....
Jim McGrath ( Timeform )
Julian Wilson
Spike Milligan
Jim McGrath ( Timeform )
Julian Wilson
Spike Milligan
The budgie in the Carry On film was mustard, 12 bets all winners! Sid cleaned up.
Steve Gough was a millionaire before he was thirty pre Betfair !!!!
The budgie wasn't that shrewd. Everyone forgets the bookie closed its account in the end.
form is easy, judging a horse in the parade ring is something very few can do, but i consider myself as the best there is.
40k a year are mug results. If you have a 100k bankroll that's 40 points per year.
show how far down this forum has gone when 10+ year posts keep being resurrected
I went to grammar school with Nimblebob. He was geeky, and his dad was a bookie, but hopeless. Nimblebob would create his own book and tell us kids what to bet on. We used Shirley, a buxom woman, living in number 5 to put on the bets. I can still hear the laughter from Shirley as she ran upstairs when the big one won, and all of us chasing.
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