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Anaglogs Daughter
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When reports circulated last week that Ryan Moore was about to be installed as first jockey at Ballydoyle, it was immediately striking how quickly the jockey's connections moved to shoot them down. Not only did Johnno Spence, Moore's agent, deny the claims but, through a spokeswoman, went as far as suggesting that Moore would be remaining in Newmarket "for the foreseeable future." The idea of relocation seemed to hold little appeal.

While Aidan O'Brien and his Coolmore bosses invariably hold their cards tightly to their chests, it seems reasonable to assume they courted Moore and, upon consideration, the jockey decided it wasn't for him, now or in the immediate future. Perhaps he reasoned that he could ride many of O'Brien's best horses next year anyway while retaining his job with Michael Stoute, enjoying the best of both worlds in the process.

That would hardly leave Ballydoyle in the best place, however. The suggestion that Moore could serve two masters, as Ruby Walsh does over jumps, is naive and mistaken. Walsh's dual relationship with Willie Mullins and Paul Nicholls works because of the jockey's talent and work-rate, but it helps that, in Britain, the biggest meetings tend more towards Saturdays while Ireland favours mostly Sundays. The Flat wouldn't be nearly as accommodating in that regard.

In a sense too, Moore, as brilliant as he is, doesn't fit the profile of the jockey most likely to fetch up at Ballydoyle. He just recently turned 28 and, with the exception of Jamie Spencer who lasted a single season, the ideal fit for the stable has invariably been the hardened veteran still riding at the peak of his powers, experienced and confident enough to cope with the demands of the most scrutinised job in world racing.

The problem for Ballydoyle is that there is a chronic shortage of that seasoned breed of jockey across Europe right now. And those whom they would regard as meeting the right criteria, Moore and Christophe Soumillon among them, seem happy where they are thank you very much. In a year when Ballydoyle landed 14 Group Ones across the continent and unleashed a string of hugely exciting juveniles, it seems odd that there isn't a ruthless, ambitious jockey desperate to hitch himself exclusively to Ballydoyle's rolling wagon.

We've been here before, of course. This time last year to be precise. Johnny Murtagh had just departed and we waited for the stampede of those eager to fill his boots. Except there was no stampede. And no detectable buzz among potential candidates either. Pat Smullen even went as far as publicly renouncing his interest in a job that, as far as anybody knew, hadn't even been offered.

Why this situation should prevail isn't easy to understand. It was widely understood that Murtagh and Mick Kinane had some issues with their working arrangements at Ballydoyle and it was, perhaps, no coincidence that both ultimately left to return to the more homely environment of John Oxx. The downside of working for such a huge operation, of course, is that you feel a lesser part in the day-to-day whole. Kinane, by his own admission, found this harder to deal with as the years went by.

Yet you wouldn't imagine for a minute that either man harbours regrets about his time there. Long before he replaced Kieren Fallon in 2008, it was an open secret that Murtagh coveted the job. By then he had won three Derbys and enjoyed a long, fruitful relationship with Oxx but, to fulfill his talent and burning ambition, Murtagh knew he had to ride for Coolmore and felt passionately that it was a chance he deserved.

And maybe over the years Ballydoyle has been lucky that way. From Christy Roche to Kinane, Fallon and Murtagh and, before that, from Lester Piggott to Pat Eddery and John Reid, the right man always seemed to be available at exactly the right time. It wasn't something they needed to worry about. When a vacancy arose, they sought the best man available and simply made an offer that couldn't be refused.

Now they cannot be so certain and it must surely perplex them. When the search for Murtagh's replacement ran aground last year, O'Brien merely shrugged and said they would "use the best available." It was typical O'Brien insouciance, making it sound like a policy they had decided on, rather than a consequence of their inability to fill the vacancy. But it is hard to imagine such a famously meticulous trainer being happy with a situation where he has no senior jockey to call on.

It isn't that it has visibly cost them dearly on the racecourse. Seamie Heffernan didn't enjoy his finest hour when finishing fourth on So You Think in the Prix de l'Arc, but even with a better-judged ride it is highly unlikely the horse would have won. For all the hype and expectation that followed his arrival from Australia, So You Think patently lacks the gears needed to be the superstar they wanted him to be.

But that isn't the point anyway. The symbiotic relationship between a trainer and his retained jockey is such an ingrained feature of the sport that a top stable without one seems hopelessly incomplete. O'Brien has tried to work around the situation by pairing certain jockeys with certain horses: Spencer with Fame And Glory and Cape Blanco, his son Joseph with Maybe, Colm O'Donoghue with Treasure Beach and so on.

Moore would probably have ridden So You Think in the Arc if he hadn't been claimed by Stoute for Workforce and there is a lot to be said for having an English-based jockey. Vincent O'Brien understood this when he had the services of Lester Piggott. "He could figure out how best to beat them," he once explained. "He knew the strengths of the jockeys riding against him, every move they'd make."

Yet although their relationship was only bound by a gentleman's agreement, O'Brien would not have countenanced a scenario where his jockey wasn't regularly riding work or in which he had to share him with rival trainers on big days. He sometimes blanched at how hard Piggott could be on young horses on the gallops but the knowledge gained there was indispensable when it came to the racetrack.

Of course, that partnership was such a once-off that it would be fanciful to think it could ever be repeated. Yet how the current Ballydoyle incumbent must yearn for the input and stability a retained jockey would bring. Moore may yet ride plenty of big winners for O'Brien next season, but it won't obscure the fact that the stable's best years came when it had the services of a Murtagh or Kinane riding out of his skin.

For all the shortage of top-class contenders, though, there is one who sticks out and, as things stand, may even be available. It is a week since Richard Hughes relinquished his licence in protest at picking up two bans under British racing's new whip regulations and, although a compromise was reached with the jockeys on Friday, it may still be that the episode has soured his appetite for racing there.

Normally, it would be hard to imagine Hughes having any interest in riding for Ballydoyle. He is settled in England, married into the Hannon family, hitched to a stable that is very much on the upgrade. But the past two weeks haven't been normal times in British racing. If there was ever a time that Hughes might contemplate a move, maybe this is it.

Think about it: he is 38 now, an articulate and intelligent rider, in the form of his life and, unquestionably, a man you want on your side on the biggest days. In other words, the ideal prototype of the Ballydoyle jockey. Time, perhaps, for another of those offers that simply cannot be refused?

John O' Brien http://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-racing
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Report Anaglogs Daughter • October 23, 2011 6:00 PM BST
Even *Richard
Report Ramruma • October 23, 2011 6:39 PM BST
No.

When Fallon was barred by the High Court from riding Recital in this year's Derby, the cry from Ballydoyle was not, "send for Hughes".

Hughes does not have the right experience at the top level. Most of his Group One wins, reflecting the Hannon stable, have been on sprinters or milers. He has never won a Derby, for instance, whether Epsom, Irish or French.

Don't forget that what Ballydoyle needs, and more particularly what Coolmore needs, is a jockey who, when he says that Flying Dancer is the best he has ridden or a better than average Classic winner, will be believed. For that, the jockey needs to have been there, done that, and bought the tee-shirt. Hughes is bare-chested.

What Ballydoyle needs is Frankie Dettori but if they cannot tempt Moore from Stoute, they haven't a prayer of getting Frankie away from Godolphin.

Jamie Spencer's assault and battery on Cape Blanco might have been intended as a job application for the retainer, to prove to Ballydoyle that he can now operate at the highest level. If so, it will have backfired, making him seem hot-headed rather than determined.

Spencer is, in my view, the finest illustration of why jockeys should employ coaches, but that is a rant for another day. He could be a world-class pilot with more feedback on his weaknesses.

The best young jockeys are based in France, and presumably out of reach. Perhaps the best plan is to address Murtagh's concerns.
Report Ramruma • October 23, 2011 6:39 PM BST
William Buick has won a King George and two St Legers. There's a thought.
Report Brother Mouzone • October 23, 2011 6:42 PM BST
I reckon Billy Buick will replace Frankie when the great man calls it a day.
Report Anaglogs Daughter • October 23, 2011 6:43 PM BST
Too inexpierenced for them.
Report jmc27 • October 23, 2011 6:45 PM BST
I thought Hughes was on record saying he would be hanging up the boots in the next few years due to the pressures on his body last place he would going is Ballydoyle imo. He would be throwing his sanity into the pressure equation then
Report Anaglogs Daughter • October 23, 2011 6:47 PM BST
Look at all the jockeys anm what age they were when they became no.1 at Coolmore all well expierenced and ridden winners all over the world, i think Spencer was the youngest..I don't think they will go down the youthful road. Roche, Edderey, Kinane, Piggot Mickey Joe, Murtaght all well experienced. Tho maybe down the line Buick but not for a few years yet.
Report Ramruma • October 23, 2011 6:50 PM BST
Who else is there?
Report taffy • October 23, 2011 6:57 PM BST
They want Ryan and thats that
Report jmc27 • October 23, 2011 7:02 PM BST
Moore = stays clear of the media, keeps the mouth shut, no family or friends here to tell inside stories like a certain Jockey and Babs Keating :p. Lot of ticks for their way of working, a perfect jockey for them.
Report Viva Pataca • October 23, 2011 7:07 PM BST
Willie Supple.
Report kingdom09 • October 23, 2011 7:29 PM BST
send for king kieren, if he would return there the only man for them
Report capewine • October 23, 2011 7:33 PM BST
I think I know Richard well enough and believe the idea is very unlikely.
            He's fitted in well with the Hannon family and Dessie is not retiring age by a long way yet. I'm not sure he'd want to return to Ireland long term anyway.Hannon's yard is huge and maybe a combo of Hughes,Hannon jr and Kirk will handle the 2/3 hundred horses when the old man quits.
Report salmon spray • October 23, 2011 7:43 PM BST
Richard Hills. Obvious imo.
Report Arklearkle • October 23, 2011 8:19 PM BST
JMC would agree with you re Moore and why Coolmore would prefer someone like him.
Report Anaglogs Daughter • October 23, 2011 8:27 PM BST
How could they have Fallon Back??? Who wants to sign Fallon next year after what he did at Epsom?
Report salmon spray • October 23, 2011 8:31 PM BST
A lot depends on whether Joseph can keep his weight to 9st for another season surely. If so one imagines he will keep the ride on Camelot for innstance. There`s also the Spencer tie-up with at least one owner complicating things.
But I agree I can`t see Hughes going. They won`t trust Fallon again and anyway he`s not the rider he was. Moore or the same as before I think unless one of the top Americans fancies it.
Report Vubiant • October 23, 2011 8:34 PM BST
Doesn't matter who rides 'em . Only issues are logistics and personal compatibility .
Report grumpyjim • October 23, 2011 9:48 PM BST
stop  the  races  ,  get  murtagh  back  in  the  saddle  ,, lower  your  sights  slightly  , and  realise  jocks  need  a  home  life  ,  a  place to  gather  themselves  to  gether  ,,relax  , show  me  a  jockey  happy  with his  lot  at  the  moment  .he  is  still the  man  for  your  big  occasion  t / shirt  and  all .  looks  pretty  miserable  this  season  ,   even  a  5  day  week  should  be  compulsory  ,more  so , job  being  made  harder ,to  get  round  the course  will sap  more  energy  than  ever  ....................  whole  industry  is  suffering .many  super  young  jockeys  on  the  way    up ,some  still claiming  allowance  ?? apprentices  need ever  help  they  can  get  to  succeed  .never  found going back to a previous job  worked  for  me  ,, but  would  not  rule  out , it may  work  for  johnny  murtagh  , wish  him  well if  he  is  considered and can  work  a plan  for  a great  future in his  later  years    a  great  chance  if.??  it  comes up ..................
Report grumpyjim • October 23, 2011 9:49 PM BST
stop  the  races  ,  get  murtagh  back  in  the  saddle  ,, lower  your  sights  slightly  , and  realise  jocks  need  a  home  life  ,  a  place to  gather  themselves  to  gether  ,,relax  , show  me  a  jockey  happy  with his  lot  at  the  moment  .he  is  still the  man  for  your  big  occasion  t / shirt  and  all .  looks  pretty  miserable  this  season  ,   even  a  5  day  week  should  be  compulsory  ,more  so , job  being  made  harder ,to  get  round  the course  will sap  more  energy  than  ever  ....................  whole  industry  is  suffering .many  super  young  jockeys  on  the  way    up ,some  still claiming  allowance  ?? apprentices  need ever  help  they  can  get  to  succeed  .never  found going back to a previous job  worked  for  me  ,, but  would  not  rule  out , it may  work  for  johnny  murtagh  , wish  him  well if  he  is  considered and can  work  a plan  for  a great  future in his  later  years    a  great  chance  if.??  it  comes up ..................
Report seanjames • October 23, 2011 9:56 PM BST
obrien jnr will ride camelot in next years derby
Report Arklearkle • October 23, 2011 10:03 PM BST
Sean I agree and I cant ever see the Murtagh OBrien combo working again.
Report ima_mazed66 • October 24, 2011 12:35 AM BST
Why is it relevant as to whether Richard Hughes has won a Derby or not, even though he has actually won 3 overseas ones?

OK fair enough they were the Italian, Indian (twice) and Bangalore ones and also the Indian Oaks (twice), plus he's won big international races at or around 1½ mile on horses like Youmzain, Passage of Time and Posidonas and even races like the Prix du Cadran over 2½ miles, but the suggestion seemed to be that it was relevant regarding the trip. What is it that was supposed to have happened that once his horse goes more than a mile that Hughes can't win on it?

I'm making no judgement either way as to whether he should take the O'Brien job or not if offered but as far as the strain on his body is concerned, the vast majority of races Ballydoyle compete for are non-handicaps where the horses carry weights in the high 8 stone mark to 9 stone and above and that might allow him to put on a few pounds and not starve himself as much as he does now.
Report capewine • October 24, 2011 12:53 AM BST
the Italian Derby was for Loder....it was worth more that year than our Derby.
Report Ramruma • October 24, 2011 6:51 AM BST
ima_mazed66, it matters that Richard Hughes has not won a Derby (or Arc or King George) because Coolmore needs someone who can stand in the winners circle at Epsom and announce to the mare owners of the world that Flying Dancer is a better Derby winner than, well, who exactly could Hughes compare him to? The Italian Derby is not even a Group One.

It is all about the bloodstock market.
Report Ramruma • October 24, 2011 6:57 AM BST
Form guide to the Ballydoyle stable jockey market.

Here is a table of who has ridden for Ballydoyle in the last two seasons, and how often.

1 G F Carroll
1 Mickael Barzalona
1 Miss J M Mangan
1 Mr J P Magnier
1 P Shanahan
1 Richard Hills
1 Shane Foley
2 K Latham
2 M C Hussey
2 Miss S O'Brien
2 William Buick
4 G K Gomez
4 Kieren Fallon
4 W J Supple
6 Christophe Soumillon
6 W J Lee
6 W M Lordan
8 P J Smullen
15 J T Reid
17 Jamie Spencer
23 David McCabe
50 Ryan Moore
51 S M Levey
224 C O'Donoghue
249 J Murtagh
257 Seamie Heffernan
286 J P O'Brien
Report Workforce • October 24, 2011 11:18 AM BST
Richard Hills Shocked
Report timeless • October 24, 2011 12:30 PM BST
he was on pacemaker duty that day.
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