brigust1

I'm all for compromise Silver.

I suggest they should remove all of the rules and start again.

Then the rules should as follows:

a) No limit to whip use by number. (Removing any excuse for a jockey not trying sufficiently and because no 2 jockeys hit either in the same place or with the same intensity).
The jockeys asked for a number though, brigust

b) Stewards to be trained intensively to recognise any abuse of the whip.
  (Existing rules plus hitting when not in contention)
They do already.  This is the first time recognising abuse has been raised as an issue.  It isn't, as 900 breaches last year show.

c) Very stringent penalties for transgressors including retrainind and potentially loss of licence.
Very stringent penalties have been proposed and are an issue with jockeys. Retraining is already part of the programme.  Remember McCoy being sent back to school?  Loss of licence also in the mix.  Apart from the lack of a number - which the PJA asked for! - you seem to be largely proposing the current whip rules, Brigust!?!?!

No.

But it would work (Nap)

No one is saying things are bad in British racing it is just the stupid new whip rules that are wrecking things.There are on here some disgruntled punters who hate jockeys,Silvergreaser TheHonestScouser,but i don`t think Gerry Gallbladder falls into that category.He actually has a point and i now think you go for unlimited use of the whip or no whip at all,the counting of strokes has proved to be a nonsense and unworkable,having jockeys constantly banned another nonsense,so you either stop the persecution of jockeys and leave it to them,my preferred solution, or you ban the thing altogether for say a month and see what happens.

Wildman put it this way I don't have much sympathy for their crusade, as I've said previously on here jockeys don't even give the punter a second thought, we're afterall nothing but a nuisance to be barely tolerated.

I would give them a smidgen of sympathy when they fall foul of the non triers rule, its they especially the journeymen jockeys who will take all the flac and punishments dished out while the whole time protecting the one who told him not try in the first place the trainer often in collusion with the gambling owner, I better or else.....

Brigust, I might disagree with you but I don't talk b@ll@cks.  The people who talk b@ll@cks are the ones who think punting comes into this.  What you on about?  Does your P&L really dictate whether or not your opinion can be verified?  I burped up 3K this morning in Premium Charge.  Does that mean my thoughts should hold more water than someone who paid, 2K, 1K...or did their conkers? I hope not.

It never ceases to amaze me how certain people on one particular side of the debate can't seem to make it through without mud slinging.  Very telling imo.

Brigust1. Spoken like a very reasonalbe gentleman. No trace of the backwoodman's about you.

I'm out

tf for that.
reading ur drivel is doing my head in bigstyle
as for that shyt about premium charges..
post evidence on here and we might believe you
in the meanwhile your coming across as another tree hugging non punting hater of the noble sport

We need to look at whip rules again - Darley

BY LEWIS PORTEOUS racingpost.com

KEVIN DARLEY, chief executive of the Professional Jockeys' Association, on Sunday expressed his concerns over the amended whip rules introduced on Friday and called for the BHA to make a further review of the permitted number of times a jockey can use his whip during a race - currently seven on the Flat and eight over jumps. 

A further four jockeys, including Ruby Walsh at Aintree, were handed whip bans on Saturday, leading Darley to harden his stance against the new rules, which he believes are "not working".

"Jockeys are still getting banned left, right and centre. I just don't think that these rules are working," the former jockey told At The Races.

Darley added: "These guys [jockeys] are professional sportsmen - the best in the world - but they're still going one or two over [the limit] and we need to come up with a suitable number.

"The punishments are taking the competitiveness away from the jockeys. They're not acting as a deterrent and we need to look at the rule again."

Darley also thinks that unless further amendments are made there will be more breaches to whip rules than everbefore, impacting negatively on the way the sport is perceived.

Darley said: "We've got to look at what is happening now. Jockeys are going one or two strikes over and breaches are going to double the way things are going."

Darley is willing the industry to stick together and will look to the Horsemen's Group to support the PJA in future discussions.

"The impact is filtering through to owners and trainers now and I hope we're going to have more support from the Horsemen's Group," he said.

"We've got to keep the discussions going and continue to monitor the situation. Changesneed to be made as we go along. We need to stick together as an industry."

perfectly put once again, sadly the bha dont want to listen

Gerry Gallbladder Joined: 22 Jun 04
Replies: 2830 23 Oct 11 15:24 
My sentiments too Malay. If things are so bad here, why are there so many non-British jockeys plying their trade here? Why too are their so few British jockeys plying their trade elsewhere?

RE British Jockeys I think the answer is pretty obvious infairness. The best British jockey on the world stage is an Italian

If rules change, they change and you comply, didnt see any goalkeepers going on strike when they werent allowed tp pick the ball up from pass backs, although it made their job more difficult, and new skils were required.

A Clever horseamn should see it as an opportunoty to pick up rides from people who can't comply.

Walsh is still essentially Irish-based. No point in him riding in England except in the biggest races if he is going to miss big rides in The Republic.

Plenty of Goalkeepers picked the ball up in error and the start but they didnt get banned for 5 matches so cant see your point tbh

name them ! because if i was their manager they'd be on the transfer list and wouldnt need to worry about a ban

English jocks will be looking to ride in the US and Hong Kong imo.

yeah they just kicked the ball instead of picking it up
must take loads of skill

wolf your obviously not a football man or seen many goalies in training

Barry Geraghty and Paul Carberry(+ G.Elliots jockeys) reconsidering there arrangements as well I'm told

paul nicholls will be sending a lot of his to ireland to contest the better races there not only is the prizemoney far better he wii also be able to use his top jock

Na Im not you should watch a bit of football as an Arsenal fan I can give you an example Fabianski against Porto in the Champions League. Now back to fantasy world Mr Manager

jmc27 the pass back rule had been changed before fabianski played his first game at school football

jmc27

RE British Jockeys I think the answer is pretty obvious infairness. The best British jockey on the world stage is an Italian

Ergo he's not British then. He's an Italian who happens to ride in Britain - why is that so difficult to understand? Ryan Moore would probably be considered the best British jockey currently on 'the world stage' as you put it.

What I find so incredible is that the jockeys seem to think that the racing is about them! I can say with total honesty, that I have never once attended a race meeting to see a particular jockey in action (not even when Lester was riding). I have, on the other hand, attended race meetings just to see a particular horse run.