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Top 10 finger lickin nauseas of the traditionalist, countryside alliance, pro-whip diddies

Feck N. Eejit

20 Oct 11 10:31

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1. The whip is all about noise rather than impact.

There is currently no limit to the number of swishes a jockey can make.

2. They react to the noise rather than the pain.

Two horses side by side, neck and neck, well inside the final furlong. Why do both jockeys whip? Why doesn't one of them concentrate on pushing their mount home and let the other jockey make the swishing noises for both horses.

3. The whip doesn't hurt horses.

Bet it hutrts them at home so they associate it with pain. Either way, a pack of wolves running alongside them behind a glass screen wouldn't hurt them and would make them run faster but would anyone find that acceptable? It's all about fear and panic.

4. Not having the whip is a cheats's charter.

So why do the cheats want to hang on to it? Are they worried they won't be able to thrash their gambles home?

5. Anyone who's against the whip should be a vegitarian.

A bit like saying anyone who's against the tories should be a communist but I agree people should try to avoid meat.

6. The BHA are pandering to animal aid, tree hugging zealots.

They said that about fox hunting and racing will suffer the same fate if racing goes down the countryside alliance route.

7. Racing as a spectacle has been ruined by these new rules.

Punter speak for "b@stard, another loser". They should have introduced these rules in the summer when the favourites were going in left, right and centre.

8. No whip will result in many horses being sent for slaughter.

I doubt it but shouldn't anyone using this argument also be a vegitarian?

9. The anti-whip mob have no argument.

The pro-whip mob have no argument.

10. NH racing will be next.

Let's hope so. The national is an abomination and aintree stinks of the colosseum. The failure of clerks to call off meetings when the going isn't suitable for jumping has resulted in many deaths and shown racing to be not fit and proper to stage such events. Greed always takes precedence over safety. The glut of deaths of top talent at one of the Cheltenham festivals years ago shows many owners to be of a similar ilk ("WTF, they're insured"). Summer jumping is just asking for trouble.

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By:

The Lord BUSH When: 20 Oct 11 10:34

A good thread Feck

By:

kefir_man When: 20 Oct 11 10:36

go take up knitting

By:

zilzal1 When: 20 Oct 11 10:36

Why do you bet on NH racing Feck??

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 10:44

Thanks Lord BUSH.

Wow, that kefir_man's a real man. What a guy.

zilzal, I currently don't. If I did I would say I was supplying liquidity on exchanges which helps take money away from the levy.

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zilzal1 When: 20 Oct 11 10:46

So you bet on the flat with exchanges thus obtaining the same result

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zilzal1 When: 20 Oct 11 10:49

And for number six why would you pander to a organisation who's ultimate aim is the abolition of your sport, even if you banned the whip, like the Banks, they'll be back for more.

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 10:55

I tend to think the BHA are pandering to the pro-whip cheating insiders with these limits. The way forward is to make the limit zero. I doubt there'd be any support for banning flat racing without whips.

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zilzal1 When: 20 Oct 11 10:57

But Animal Aids aim is the abolition of Horse Racing, they aint going to stop once they've scented blood and the sport is on the run!!!!

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zebadei When: 20 Oct 11 10:59

One might say from your vegan, plastic shoe wearing, anti pet owning,thrice divorced position - why dont you feck off and follow another sport.

Personally i'd not be that rude,everybodys entitled to a view,yours is just from the egotistical,pompous,embittered sad
old g1t tradition.

Presumably you post such banal rants to give your life some significance,might i suggest you actually do something with your time to help a charitable cause,rather than act like one.

Hope that helps.

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GEORGE.B When: 20 Oct 11 11:04

1. I don't know if an air-cushioned whip hurts or not when a horse is racing and has adrenalin flowing through it - but I believe a jockey needs something more than just hands-and-heels to motivate a half-a-tonne of horse to run to the full extent of its ability.

The BHA's own scientific report doubts horses feel pain from the whip when racing so long as it is used correctly.

I strongly believe whip use should be restricted - I would suggest 10 on the Flat and 15 over jumps.

2. See above

3. See answer to 1

4. I believe proving non-triers is extremely difficult whether a whip is used or not. However, as I punter I don't have to prove anything, so long as a jockey is allowed to use a whip I can see with my own eyes how much effort he has put in.

5. No horse is ever likely to die (at least on the Flat) from use (within reason) of an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid'.

6. If there is scientific evidence to prove there is no welfare issue with the air-cushioned 'jockey's aid', and the majority within the sport believe it should continue to be used, then yes, perhaps the BHA are pandering to minority groups.

7. If a jockey is unable to extract maximum effort from a horse without a whip (which I believe will happen in certain cases), then yes I believe the spectacle will have been spoilt.

Surely for the sake of the breed (in Flat racing), the aim should be to discover the fastest and soundest horse when put up maximum pressure, so it the fastest and soundest horses which go to stud.

8. I'm not sure anyone has argued that. Though if the BHA does not stand up for the sport and NH racing is the next to succumb to minority groups, then yes, horses will end up being sent to slaughterhouses.

9. Answered above.

10. Agreed - if there is no welfare issue with the whip, then how can anyone defend NH racing where horses are going to die. If the BHA are prepared to bow to minority pressure over an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid' mainly due to perception, well dead horses covered by tarpaulins or behind green screens must be totally unacceptable.

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 11:04

A very hurtful post zebadei. I'm going to commit suicide again 'cos of you.

PS Sad thing is, your post kind of sums up the pro-whip argument.

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zilzal1 When: 20 Oct 11 11:11

You must recognize everyone's different though Feck, you are entitled to your views, but if everyone lived the same as you then you wouldnt even have a computer, there would be no roads and 75% of the population would be dead at 40.

Are you a "Year Zero" Fan??

By:

zebadei When: 20 Oct 11 11:11

I'd rather you did not commit suicide feck.

I'll happily ask the moderators to remove it if you are hurt by it.

By:

PeteTheBloke When: 20 Oct 11 11:17

People like you would be far better employed railing against China's iniquities. I think you are
probably right in most of what you say, but I can't spare the emotion when I see the whole world
bending the knee to Peking just because they've managed to make their country incredibly wealthy
by employing their huge legions of people on slave wages.

Once every person in the world is free and fed, I'll start worrying about animals.

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 11:19

I have run out of hankies zebadei but your latest post has went some way to alleviating my hurt.

zilzal, you have set me off again.

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zebadei When: 20 Oct 11 11:24

Good feck,i'm relieved to hear that,However,i find it uncomfortable posting on a thread wherby somebody threatens to commit suicide,so i think its best if i leave you to your ranting prejudices.

Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery.

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zebadei When: 20 Oct 11 11:24

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 11:24

Surely for the sake of the breed (in Flat racing), the aim should be to discover the fastest and soundest horse when put up maximum pressure, so it the fastest and soundest horses which go to stud.

George, why should they go to stud rather than horses that are willing to give their best without recourse to a whip and why, as punters, should it matter to us?

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 11:28

Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery.

Jolly decent of you zeb. Same to yourself.

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zilzal1 When: 20 Oct 11 11:32

Could you do something similar to the "Masonic refs" file you used to do and see who uses the whip more

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GEORGE.B When: 20 Oct 11 11:33

As far as I'm aware, horses don't come with a gene which programmes them to race. Some need encouragement and will give generously when asked - such as Giant's Causeway, imo.

It will matter to punters and betting turnover / levy when punters perceive jockeys aren't able to get the most out of horses, imo.

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 11:36

It will matter to punters and betting turnover / levy when punters perceive jockeys aren't able to get the most out of horses, imo.

I think you're a few decades late with that comment George.

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GEORGE.B When: 20 Oct 11 11:39

In your opinion. I'm not the only one who wonders if betting turnover will be affected. Dave Yates made similar comments last evening, and I think Sean Boyce and Tony Ennis have also queried the effect the new rules may have on betting turnover.

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 12:02

The jockey club turned a blind eye to all corruption yet punters kept coming back for more. I doubt a whip ban would make any difference to them.

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 13:50

I don't think anyone gives a fk what a 500 year old bee keeper thinks (imo).

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Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 13:51

Having said that, his above argument is one of the best I've heard from a pro-whipper.

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gman500 When: 20 Oct 11 14:16

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By:

gman500 When: 20 Oct 11 14:17

By:

PeteTheBloke When: 20 Oct 11 14:24

You're such a whanker gman - we were trying to have a sensible discussion here. This forum's
going to the dogs.

By:

gman500 When: 20 Oct 11 14:38

Feck is a fishing **** who pays no attention to rational argument to i have sunk to his level.

DO one as it has F all to do with you. T W AT

By:

Feck N. Eejit When: 20 Oct 11 14:40

Rational argument

By:

PeteTheBloke When: 20 Oct 11 14:41

Oh. Sorry gman. Please forgive me for my mistake.

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