Top 10 finger lickin nauseas of the traditionalist, countryside alliance, pro-whip diddies

A  good  thread  Feck

go take up knitting

Why do you bet on NH racing Feck??

Thanks Lord BUSH.

Wow, that kefir_man's a real man. What a guy.

zilzal, I currently don't. If I did I would say I was supplying liquidity on exchanges which helps take money away from the levy.

So you bet on the flat with exchanges thus obtaining the same result

And for number six why would you pander to a organisation who's ultimate aim is the abolition of your sport, even if you banned the whip, like the Banks, they'll be back for more.

I tend to think the BHA are pandering to the pro-whip cheating insiders with these limits. The way forward is to make the limit zero. I doubt there'd be any support for banning flat racing without whips.

But Animal Aids aim is the abolition of Horse Racing, they aint going to stop once they've scented blood and the sport is on the run!!!!

One might say from your vegan, plastic shoe wearing, anti pet owning,thrice divorced position - why dont you feck off and follow another sport.

Personally i'd not be that rude,everybodys entitled to a view,yours is just from the egotistical,pompous,embittered sad
old g1t tradition.

Presumably you post such banal rants to give your life some significance,might i suggest you actually do something with your time to help a charitable cause,rather than act like one.

Hope that helps.

1. I don't know if an air-cushioned whip hurts or not when a horse is racing and has adrenalin flowing through it - but I believe a jockey needs something more than just hands-and-heels to motivate a half-a-tonne of horse to run to the full extent of its ability.

The BHA's own scientific report doubts horses feel pain from the whip when racing so long as it is used correctly.

I strongly believe whip use should be restricted - I would suggest 10 on the Flat and 15 over jumps.

2. See above

3. See answer to 1

4. I believe proving non-triers is extremely difficult whether a whip is used or not. However, as I punter I don't have to prove anything, so long as a jockey is allowed to use a whip I can see with my own eyes how much effort he has put in.

5. No horse is ever likely to die (at least on the Flat) from use (within reason) of an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid'.

6. If there is scientific evidence to prove there is no welfare issue with the air-cushioned 'jockey's aid', and the majority within the sport believe it should continue to be used, then yes, perhaps the BHA are pandering to minority groups.

7. If a jockey is unable to extract maximum effort from a horse without a whip (which I believe will happen in certain cases), then yes I believe the spectacle will have been spoilt.

Surely for the sake of the breed (in Flat racing), the aim should be to discover the fastest and soundest horse when put up maximum pressure, so it the fastest and soundest horses which go to stud.

8. I'm not sure anyone has argued that. Though if the BHA does not stand up for the sport and NH racing is the next to succumb to minority groups, then yes, horses will end up being sent to slaughterhouses.

9. Answered above.

10. Agreed - if there is no welfare issue with the whip, then how can anyone defend NH racing where horses are going to die. If the BHA are prepared to bow to minority pressure over an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid' mainly due to perception, well dead horses covered by tarpaulins or behind green screens must be totally unacceptable.

A very hurtful post zebadei. I'm going to commit suicide again 'cos of you.

PS Sad thing is, your post kind of sums up the pro-whip argument.

You must recognize everyone's different though Feck, you are entitled to your views, but if everyone lived the same as you then you wouldnt even have a computer, there would be no roads and 75% of the population would be dead at 40.


Are you a "Year Zero" Fan??

I'd rather you did not commit suicide feck.

I'll happily ask the moderators to remove it if you are hurt by it.

People like you would be far better employed railing against China's iniquities. I think you are
probably right in most of what you say, but I can't spare the emotion when I see the whole world
bending the knee to Peking just because they've managed to make their country incredibly wealthy
by employing their huge legions of people on slave wages.

Once every person in the world is free and fed, I'll start worrying about animals.

I have run out of hankies zebadei but your latest post has went some way to alleviating my hurt.

zilzal, you have set me off again.

Good feck,i'm relieved to hear that,However,i find it uncomfortable posting on a thread wherby somebody threatens to commit suicide,so i think its best if i leave you to your ranting prejudices.

Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery.

Good feck,i'm relieved to hear that,However,i find it uncomfortable posting on a thread wherby somebody threatens to commit suicide,so i think its best if i leave you to your ranting prejudices.

Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery.

Surely for the sake of the breed (in Flat racing), the aim should be to discover the fastest and soundest horse when put up maximum pressure, so it the fastest and soundest horses which go to stud.

George, why should they go to stud rather than horses that are willing to give their best without recourse to a whip and why, as punters, should it matter to us?

Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery.

Jolly decent of you zeb. Same to yourself.

Could you do something similar to the "Masonic refs" file you used to do and see who uses the whip more

As far as I'm aware, horses don't come with a gene which programmes them to race. Some need encouragement and will give generously when asked - such as Giant's Causeway, imo.

It will matter to punters and betting turnover / levy when punters perceive jockeys aren't able to get the most out of horses, imo.

It will matter to punters and betting turnover / levy when punters perceive jockeys aren't able to get the most out of horses, imo.

I think you're a few decades late with that comment George.

In your opinion. I'm not the only one who wonders if betting turnover will be affected. Dave Yates made similar comments last evening, and I think Sean Boyce and Tony Ennis have also queried the effect the new rules may have on betting turnover.

The jockey club turned a blind eye to all corruption yet punters kept coming back for more. I doubt a whip ban would make any difference to them.

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I don't think anyone gives a fk what a 500 year old bee keeper thinks (imo).

Having said that, his above argument is one of the best I've heard from a pro-whipper.

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You're such a whanker gman - we were trying to have a sensible discussion here. This forum's
going to the dogs.

Feck is a fishing **** who pays no attention to rational argument to i have sunk to his level.

DO one as it has F all to do with you. T W AT

Rational argument

Oh. Sorry gman. Please forgive me for my mistake.

Feck

Excellent piece. Here are a couple more myths perpetrated by some of the pro-whip brigade....

Whips are an essential tool to ensure that horses run straight.... yeah cos' no horse, in the history of horse racing, has ever veeered or shied away from the whip

You can only put forward a view if you've ridden horses (and preferably a few winners under rules too) .... almost too stupid to bother responding to. May as well shut the horse racing forum down.

gman
I think your key board might be knackered.
Z the only working key.

yourzzz righzzt penzzzzzzzance

The first two races at Brighton put to bed a few of their "arguments" Gerry.

indeed.

Feck, you need to proceed with caution ( yep, I know it's a masonic phrase).

Your posts seem to be making a few of the readers nod off, but, worse, do you realise who you may be up against?
One leading member of the Countryside Alliance has recently been released from prison. He is Lord Hanningfield.   

"Lord Hanningfield has threatened legal action over his "unlawful arrest" over money claimed when he was leader of Essex County Council.

He was held at home in September after his release from jail for parliamentary expenses fraud.

In a "letter before claim" to Essex Police, his lawyers said he was seeking £3,000 for unlawful arrest and detention and £1,500 for trespass.

Essex Police said they had received the letter and were considering it.

Lord Hanningfield was jailed for nine months in July for falsely claiming £14,000 while he was a Conservative peer in the House of Lords.

The former pig farmer, from West Hanningfield, near Chelmsford, had claimed expenses for overnight stays in London when he was not in the capital.

He was released early, after serving nine weeks, and given a curfew and electronic tag.

'Had no right'

His lawyers said his arrest at his home early one morning in September was unlawful.

Mark Spragg of Keystone Law said: "They can't just go and arrest anybody they feel like, there has to be a reason.

"On this occasion it appears that the arrest may have been unlawful in practical terms because he was arrested inside his house.

"Police actually had no right to go through his front door... they didn't have a search warrant."

He added: "Ultimately we would like expenses for Lord Hanningfield because he has suffered at their hands."

The letter before claim states that the reasons given for the arrest were unclear and also seeks costs of £2,000.

Speaking at the time of the arrest, Mr Spragg had described it as "hitting a man when he is down" and a "complete travesty".

Lord Hanningfield is on police bail until 18 January.
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That's from a BBC report.

He must be some man as he's prepared to stand up to the Essex police as soon as he gets out of nick.
You should be quaking in your boots ( plastic, of course).

He sounds like another volunteer for a whip demonstration Sean.