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A good thread Feck
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go take up knitting
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Why do you bet on NH racing Feck??
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Thanks Lord BUSH.
Wow, that kefir_man's a real man. What a guy. zilzal, I currently don't. If I did I would say I was supplying liquidity on exchanges which helps take money away from the levy. |
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So you bet on the flat with exchanges thus obtaining the same result
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And for number six why would you pander to a organisation who's ultimate aim is the abolition of your sport, even if you banned the whip, like the Banks, they'll be back for more.
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I tend to think the BHA are pandering to the pro-whip cheating insiders with these limits. The way forward is to make the limit zero. I doubt there'd be any support for banning flat racing without whips.
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But Animal Aids aim is the abolition of Horse Racing, they aint going to stop once they've scented blood and the sport is on the run!!!!
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One might say from your vegan, plastic shoe wearing, anti pet owning,thrice divorced position - why dont you feck off and follow another sport.
Personally i'd not be that rude,everybodys entitled to a view,yours is just from the egotistical,pompous,embittered sad old g1t tradition. Presumably you post such banal rants to give your life some significance,might i suggest you actually do something with your time to help a charitable cause,rather than act like one. Hope that helps. |
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1. I don't know if an air-cushioned whip hurts or not when a horse is racing and has adrenalin flowing through it - but I believe a jockey needs something more than just hands-and-heels to motivate a half-a-tonne of horse to run to the full extent of its ability.
The BHA's own scientific report doubts horses feel pain from the whip when racing so long as it is used correctly. I strongly believe whip use should be restricted - I would suggest 10 on the Flat and 15 over jumps. 2. See above 3. See answer to 1 4. I believe proving non-triers is extremely difficult whether a whip is used or not. However, as I punter I don't have to prove anything, so long as a jockey is allowed to use a whip I can see with my own eyes how much effort he has put in. 5. No horse is ever likely to die (at least on the Flat) from use (within reason) of an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid'. 6. If there is scientific evidence to prove there is no welfare issue with the air-cushioned 'jockey's aid', and the majority within the sport believe it should continue to be used, then yes, perhaps the BHA are pandering to minority groups. 7. If a jockey is unable to extract maximum effort from a horse without a whip (which I believe will happen in certain cases), then yes I believe the spectacle will have been spoilt. Surely for the sake of the breed (in Flat racing), the aim should be to discover the fastest and soundest horse when put up maximum pressure, so it the fastest and soundest horses which go to stud. 8. I'm not sure anyone has argued that. Though if the BHA does not stand up for the sport and NH racing is the next to succumb to minority groups, then yes, horses will end up being sent to slaughterhouses. 9. Answered above. 10. Agreed - if there is no welfare issue with the whip, then how can anyone defend NH racing where horses are going to die. If the BHA are prepared to bow to minority pressure over an air-cushioned 'jockey's aid' mainly due to perception, well dead horses covered by tarpaulins or behind green screens must be totally unacceptable. |
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A very hurtful post zebadei. I'm going to commit suicide again 'cos of you.
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You must recognize everyone's different though Feck, you are entitled to your views, but if everyone lived the same as you then you wouldnt even have a computer, there would be no roads and 75% of the population would be dead at 40.
Are you a "Year Zero" Fan?? |
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I'd rather you did not commit suicide feck.
I'll happily ask the moderators to remove it if you are hurt by it. |
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People like you would be far better employed railing against China's iniquities. I think you are
probably right in most of what you say, but I can't spare the emotion when I see the whole world bending the knee to Peking just because they've managed to make their country incredibly wealthy by employing their huge legions of people on slave wages. Once every person in the world is free and fed, I'll start worrying about animals. |
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I have run out of hankies zebadei but your latest post has went some way to alleviating my hurt.
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Good feck,i'm relieved to hear that,However,i find it uncomfortable posting on a thread wherby somebody threatens to commit suicide,so i think its best if i leave you to your ranting prejudices.
Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery. |
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Good feck,i'm relieved to hear that,However,i find it uncomfortable posting on a thread wherby somebody threatens to commit suicide,so i think its best if i leave you to your ranting prejudices.
Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery. |
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Surely for the sake of the breed (in Flat racing), the aim should be to discover the fastest and soundest horse when put up maximum pressure, so it the fastest and soundest horses which go to stud.
George, why should they go to stud rather than horses that are willing to give their best without recourse to a whip and why, as punters, should it matter to us? |
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Somebody on here said you are not very well,and if thats true i wish you a speedy recovery.
Jolly decent of you zeb. Same to yourself. |
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Could you do something similar to the "Masonic refs" file you used to do and see who uses the whip more
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As far as I'm aware, horses don't come with a gene which programmes them to race. Some need encouragement and will give generously when asked - such as Giant's Causeway, imo.
It will matter to punters and betting turnover / levy when punters perceive jockeys aren't able to get the most out of horses, imo. |
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It will matter to punters and betting turnover / levy when punters perceive jockeys aren't able to get the most out of horses, imo.
I think you're a few decades late with that comment George. |
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In your opinion. I'm not the only one who wonders if betting turnover will be affected. Dave Yates made similar comments last evening, and I think Sean Boyce and Tony Ennis have also queried the effect the new rules may have on betting turnover.
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The jockey club turned a blind eye to all corruption yet punters kept coming back for more. I doubt a whip ban would make any difference to them.
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