Millington in today's racing post

The moderator has just run to change his underpants!!

Millington...Millington... they are posting again about he who must not be criticised.What if he calls and complains again...what can i say to a man so important with all that power......

ps Millingtons views are whichever views are beneficial to the Posta finances.


Is that allowed, maybe you should call Mr Millington an

d ask him if he will allow that comment on BETFAIRS(not the Racing Posts)forum.

....Posts....

He was mentioned on the Irish forum,the post lasted about 2 minutes.
I remember this gentleman carrying on a personal vendetta against Peter Aliss that was long and concerted,can give it but cant take it.

Who cares what Millington thinks about anything, imo...

How come the only person to get a look in on "chatroom" is Graham Smith who is on every day with views that correspond to those of Millington ? Also how come the only sports letter published in an age (yesterday)praised Millingtons column.It is like living in the old Soviet Union !!!

Drivel once again from you know who - this thread will self destruct in 10 seconds...

The abuse of Peter Alliss as stated above was shocking. He just kept going on and on about it.
If a campaign of hatred like that was to take place against him quite sure he would not be a happy bunny.[:(]

His whip views are contary to mine,but Aviboyd unless you are D.Beckham ,your posts regarding millington are bordering on the pathalogical stalker.

Ain't no journalist, just a mouthpiece with no brain and a chair welded to his ass

Zeb - sorry would reply to your last post but Victoria wants to go shopping (again), talk later.

Not really interested in his views.We know which side of the fence he sits and its not the readers and punters side.

What annoys me is that he can use his tiny bit of power to intimidate Betfair to censor reasonable views of its members.If he wants to censor the Posts comment,then thats up to him but why is this forum now censored by him.Betfair should remember its us who pay all their wages and make them large profits not Mr Millington.

If their is anything that goes too far(libellous),then remove that post.Why remove the whole thread.Grow some balls Betfair.

homefortea -  I wrote a well written and well thought out CHAT reply along the lines that Graham Smith seemed to be getting a lot of publishing space with few views to the contrary and surprisingly it wasn't published. He's had six post published in as many days.

As for Millingon it is a sad day when the editor of out ONLY racing paper takes that stance on the whip. Has he no idea what racing is about? It's about trying to win and nobody loves horses more than people in racing.  Stable lads and lasses love their horses more than their own family. Does anyone honestly think they would tolerate their charges being hurt.

Anyone would think some of Betfair's staff went back a long way with the Racing Post, imo...

of course they are hurt when the whip is administered. Otherwise the whip has no point. The issue is about what is acceptable. Some argue for no whip at all - a defensible position but not one I subscribe to. A reasonable amount of coercion is appropriate in my view. on that basis a line has to be drawn somewhere.

The jocks wanted certainty.

They've got it.

Still not happy.

The problem is them and the effect that this new rule has had in making trying and non trying more apparent.They don't like that.

Little sympathy for 'em.

I agree the Graham Smith character is taking the rise (quotes ferdy murphy tdy)- and for Ferdy to talk about jockeys being able to count,well lets face it there are 12 months in a year and most trainers can count to twelve,but some might say some months appear missing from the Ferdy calendar.

Only sensible contribution I have read from a journalist.

Surely there's no one left now that thinks that this newspaper is trying to do anything other than make its readers believe whatever propaganda suits it and its business partners best.

There was a reader voxpop on whether betting should be allowed in pubs yesterday (obviously this would take people away from betting shops).

Not a single reader included thought it was a good idea...

parispike - the whip does not hurt the horse - you have obviously never seen a whip up close or you would retract that immediately. Half ton animals are not humans. It's not like Mo Farah putting in a superhuman effort on the last lap to try and win a gold medal. They need coercion for the last few seconds of a race to get the utmost out of the animal before they go back to their 5 star lifestyles. If a horse doesn't want to do something it won't do it , whip or no whip.

[:D]who trained Paris Pike?

some conshidunce shurely as private eye would say...

bilbo

Nothing contradictory about your post! You state that if a "horse doesn't want to do something it won't do it, whip or no whip" and also that horses "need coercion for the last few seconds of a race to get the utmost out of the animal..."

Here's the definition of coercion.....

Coercion (pronounced /koʊˈɜrʃən/) is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, rewards, or intimidation or some other form of pressure or force.

What's wrong with that Gerry - by using a foam covered whip to get a half ton animal to run as fast as it can for about 10 seconds which if it didn't want to do it wouldn't.

Don't cherry pick. Nothing contradictory at all.

Coercion (pronounced /koʊˈɜrʃən/) is the practice of forcing another...

Feck me bilbo, I had you down as a tad brighter than you appear to be....

He joined the RP as a pontificater on football, now it seems as an editor he is a pontificater of something else he has little knowledge of. The paper has a negligible circulation, so in reality who would take notice of a pipsqueak who is never normally seen anywhere near the racing pages in his own discredited rag.

Dear oh dear Gerry - resorting to insults does not do your argument any favours at all. You know you're wrong so go to default position - insult.

bilbo

I'm not wrong! You are the one saying that a horse won't do anything it doesn't want to do and yet in the same paragraph saying that the whip is used to coerce (force) them into giving their best.

Don't spit the dummy out Gerry. Perhaps I should have put it clearer for you. Even WITH the whip a horse will not do something if i doesn't want to do it. It is used by jockeys as a reminder to the horse that this is when it needs to try it's hardest. It doesn't hurt it .

How many times have you seen a jockey use a whip on a horse and it basically starts going backwards, i.e. telling the jockey he's not playing the game and that's not going to work on me. If it doesn't wan to go forward it won't. Jockeys can feel that under them.

No apology for the insult?

You make a cogent argument for dispensing with the whip altogether bilbo.

If you did that racing would become slow motion stuff.

That's a no about the apology then?

bilbo

I pointed out that you had contradicted yourself. I then educated you regarding the definition of the word 'coercion'. I'll apologise for suggesting that you're not dealing with a full deck if you thank me for my free tuition. Deal?

Bilbo you might find that Graham Smith and many other posts on that Chatroom are fake, its mainly used as their very own PR machine and a tool to force their own opinons on their readers.

Once again Gerry . Dear oh dear. It must really hurt you to admit you're wrong. Don't like people challenging you do you?

I have long wondered whether Graham Smith and the like, are actual enthusiastic readers -

or virtual characters, that can be generated 'at the push of a button'.

Big Dave Osborne has just e-mailed  me to confirm that these 'characters' are not virtual.

Media smitten idiots like Mfordy exist, so I'm sure Smith does too...

They appear to be issued with Priority Passes.

I believe Graham Smith works for the BHA

he's on talksport now

Cosy little club and the last peoples opinions they want is real punters.Which is why they are so anti this forum, as it is the only place real punters can tell the truth.

Let them manipulate and censor the Post as much as they like,it has become a laughing stock anyway.But Betfair dont let them control the comments on here or i will be off to purple and so will a lot of others.

My witty post has disappeared from the site...what is going on.Is this Pravda ?

bilbobaggins     14 Oct 11 12:04 
parispike - the whip does not hurt the horse

Then why does it have an effect?

paris - it's more of a reminder. It's not as if they suddenly scream and start throwing their dummies out of the pram. If it hurt that jockey would be on the floor in a fraction of a second. Don't know why people can't understand that.

Basically John "I'm your" Cocker a dubious writer who managed to get published in yesterdays letter section in the RP praised Mr Millingtons column !! Now try and get a sports betting post published ! Recommendation no chance....

bilbobaggins 14 Oct 11 20:02 
paris - it's more of a reminder. It's not as if they suddenly scream and start throwing their dummies out of the pram. If it hurt that jockey would be on the floor in a fraction of a second. Don't know why people can't understand that.

No horse, in the history of horse racing, has ever veered, swerved, flinched, deviated or otherwise as a direct result of being hit with the whip - FACT. As bilbo says, why is this so difficult to understand?

As said previously Gerry -  you are very sad. You really don't like it up you do you? You can't be wrong can you. You always look for a way to make the facts suit your argument - you must be a journalist!! Sad, very sad.

Bilbo

What is the effect of this "reminder". What is the causative effect please?

bilbo

I'm trying to make the facts suit my argument? What a feckin' loon!

What would you suggest is the cause of a horse swerving or veering immediately after being struck with a whip then?

paris - fairly obvious isn't it - the reminder makes the horse go forward as the jockey asks it for maximum effort. It doesn't hurt the horse - don't know how many times I have to say it.

Gerry - more insults . No doubt there will be no apology again. Default position again - losing the argument = insult.

bilbo - no answer to the question I posed I see.

I'll answer when you are civil and apologise . I don't appreciate talking to people like you who resort to insults.

Not so quick are you when you're stumped - Oh god - for him to answer me I have to apologise. But I never apologise because I'm such a coward - tricky one isn't it.

Will the moderators please erase these RP stooges and let us get back to the main debate.Every time someone has a just pop at the monopoly publication some half-wit emerges and later the thread has vanished.

bilbo - life's too short to argue with you old son. Good luck and I hope you enjoy the video I've pulled out for you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfOng-jaIh0

i also seem to remember Millington giving it to Derek McGovern (so to speak) whenever an opportunity arose. They surely had a long-running spat and I don't think it emanated from Del Boy.

Could all the "Fifths" please post on one thread

shat yourself again have you moderator.

you pathetic tow rag

ps just reactivating my account at purple