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Well i got too say that Prix Arc was a bit of an Anti-climax
Well i got too say that Prix Arc was a bit of an Anti-climax
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also if snow fairys form in big fields is great then that does not put syt in a good light from leopardstown.
if sna had been ridden to win he would have beaten syt |
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A chap caller Robert Southey
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And thats the reason at the price that i backed Snow Fairy at four times the price of SYT.
SNA ran a very good race and you cant say he was not in a good position, 3 out of the 1st 5 were never that far away, imo if he'd been ridden out the back for a turn of foot he'd have not been as close as he was FWIW, ive never been a Workforce fan and dont think the middle distance runners(Danedream is very hard to put a handle on) of the last couple of years have been exceptional |
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thanks anaglogs i would never have guessed him as i have never heard of him.
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WOW!! A lot of interesting views. The worst 1 being that u hate the race and the country, and that the Arc is not 1 of the best middle dist races in the world. If that wasnt bad enough, u then say it is won with bad horses??? Are u on the wine? Her are some (bad) horses that won the Arc 2 change your strange view:See The Stars, Zarkava, Dalakhani,Sakhee,Peintre Celebre,Montjeu and my still all time fav the Great Dancing Brave 2 name but a few. This years winner looks smart and from a form point of veiw we need 2 disgard the flash in the pan run of the 2nd, and use the (best) form of Snow Fairy as a guide, as she was very much in need of her 1st 2 runs at Sandown&Goodwood (SF) that is. As for the other (big guns) they run a bit below there top form. Personally i though So u Think ran a stormer from where he came from in the race and other than the winner was the horse finishing best of all. Ok so he is not the superstar he was hyped up 2 be, but there is no dought 2 me he is a top class horse. Roll on the next 2 Saturdays, with more top class action 2 come, cant wait coz i love this sport.
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If this as incisive as it gets post race on Europes richest race then little wonder UK bookies and layers prosper.
UK punters might as well stick to sellers,Aussies might as well stick to cremations aka barbies.    |
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So You Think could carry on racing next season
BY AAP RACING & SCOTT BURTON racingpost.com SO YOU THINK could yet race on next season after connections said on Monday they felt he had "shown no signs that he is ready to go to stud". Trained by Aidan O'Brien, So You Think finished fourth behind Danedream in Sunday's Qatar Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp, a race that had been considered to be among his last before he was retired to stud at the end of the season. However, Coolmore Australia racing manager Tom Magnier, speaking from Paris, told Sydney's Sky Sports Radio: "We think this horse can keep winning these Group 1 races. "The trainer thinks there is a helluva lot in the horse's tank. Let's get this season out of the way and I'd say we'd probably continue into next season. "You can't take anything away from the horse. In the closing stages he kept fighting. He fought on and on and on. We are disappointed he didn't finish closer but there is still plenty of horse to go on with." Magnier said So You Think's next start could be in the Qipco Champion Stakes at Ascot during British Champions Day on October 15. "We'll see how he pulls up in the morning but that would be an option that would be seriously considered," Magnier said. "[The Arc] didn't go our way but he's won an unbelievable amount of Group 1s and we want to keep showing the world what he can do." The season may also not be over for Alain de Royer-Dupre's Arc trio of Sarafina, Reliable Man and Shareta. "They were all fine this morning, Reliable Man looked like he hasn't had a race," the trainer said. "He's still in the Champion Stakes, and while we might decide against it, if he were well he could run." He added: "Sarafina was a little quiet on Sunday night, but she was back in good form this morning. There's still the Breeders' Cup for Sarafina in the normal run of things." Royer-Dupre stressed that nothing would be decided in a hurry, a comment which applies to Shareta, for whom there are currently no plans. |
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Such a shame Fallon was sat in the weighing room while that clown gave S.Y.T a very moderate ride.
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Fallon was aboard the only time Ballydoyle have won the Arc [;)]
Thats why i wanted him on St Nich |
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good post miller
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could of been worse
could of had hughes or hills on board |
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OTS that Hurdle race at Plumpton looks like So You Thoughts for the taking as long as Frankel goes to Fakenham imo?[;)]
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Magnier said So You Think's next start could be in the Qipco Champion Stakes at Ascot during British Champions Day on October 15.
"We'll see how he pulls up in the morning but that would be an option that would be seriously considered," Magnier said. "[The Arc] didn't go our way but he's won an unbelievable amount of Group 1s and we want to keep showing the world what he can do." Thats the diff between henry and AOB , henrys horses will be trained for the day and fresh , while AOB will be forced to run SYT on champions day as an afterthought to cling on to the dream |
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That "clown" was unbeaten on So You think until the Arc, with 3 wins from 3 rides including 2 Gr1s and I'm sure the wide draw and being ridden to try to win at the trip for the first time played more of a part than anything else.
They were drawn 14 of 16 and either had to miss the kick and go up the inside route and risk not getting a run or stay to the outer and end up running farther than most other runners, so all things considered I thought Heffernan gave the horse a good ride and they were unlucky with the draw and the size of the field. Treasure Beach was drawn 12 and was rushed up early to take a position and ended up 3rd from last and was beaten with 2f to go. |
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IMA,the horse ran a good race but it was proved beyond doubt he is no exceptional talent yesterday.
Already highlighted the time and winning distance not being outstanding despite the plaudits and a record. However the way he was ridden and their tactics spectacularly backfired and did not do SYT justice. |
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*Sunday,not yesterday*
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Totally agree rscaughtboy (takes care not to add a Y lol) with your first 2 lines but as I said in my previous post, they were unlucky with the draw and I just felt it was unfair to label Seamie Heffernan a clown when up until yesterday he was unbeaten on the horse. Again in my previous post Treasure Beach in stall 12 was highlighted so is that how some people think Heffernan should have ridden So You Think? Just for the record, I'd said all along SYT was decent but overrated and certainly not a superstar.
The horse has never won at the trip and if it was rushed out from the stalls and raced up with the pace and then fell away with 2f to go then Heffernan would have been slaughtered for making too much use of the horse over a trip it's never won at. The other thing to considered too is there were 16 runners in the Arc and the next biggest field the horse has raced in since leaving Australia has been 7, with 6 and 5 twice in the other 4 races, so even if it had been drawn in the highest stall number in say a 9 to 10 runner Arc, then it wouldn't have had as much of a disadvantage as it did in the actual race itself. |
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A point i would have made ima re-small fields where they got away with poor judgement as well.As for the horse and the trip,surely the MC proved the distance should not be a problem?
Whilst not agreeing with the Aussie view about how good they said he was I have no hesitation in concurring with their view regarding his training and riding tactics.And no anti Ballydoyle sentiments,simply stating the obvious imo. |
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The thing about the MC is that So You Think only carried 8-11 and wasn't even top weight and I would have said most of this season's Arc runners could have run to a similar level if not better in a MC with the same weight too.
Practically any horse will still cross the finishing line in any distance of race and the classier ones running over a different trip to their best one will still win or at least run well against lesser class horses, even if it is the less classier horse's best trip. I feel that's all SYT did in the MC, beat mostly handicappers and plodders bar the couple that finished ahead of him despite it not being his best trip. I just don't think he would beat the very best at their preferred trip as there's not as big a class different (if any) then. Either way though SYT had still not actually won a top class 12f race and was arguably coming back to Snow Fairy the time before over 10f, so with his Arc draw and those factors, I think they just felt they had to ride him as if he needed to prove he could get the trip without any weight advantage and against a better calibre field. Maybe with fewer runners he could have still been held up but would have been closer to the pace and less likely to either meet trouble or have to come to wide to challenge. |
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so you think carried 9-5 ...not 8-11
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