denman

agree and signed !

Dont seem to get on do they, and he wont be going right handed again

brilliant ride by mccoy ....... grow up

horse did not want it , but he was given no choice ... the man is a genius

overrated jock, not worth a warnk on chasers, no idea how to produce a horse to a fence, great on hurdlers, but about my 7th choice on a chaser, thats why it took him so long to get a national

Retire the horse

brilliant ride my ar se,that horse will be tainted for life,a brilliant jockey would have pulled him up!

benatom you are talking absolute pish

nothing wrong with ride. horse doesn't like racing anymore

frightened the horse at the first, shut his eyes and hoiped.

Splicer Keats 21 Apr 17:52


overrated jock, not worth a warnk on chasers

????????????????????? Grand National plus uttoxeter as well hmmm...

the horse was hanging

its a fkin grade one race, you want a jock to sort it out

I repaet gr8 ride from the very best there has ever been

Do you think the horse will ever run again?

denman showed the kind of mood he was in before the eace. looked in a mood to refuse to race. he was just taking the** all the wayt round. massive talent but clearly getting a bit quirkier and certainly not the kinda horse to back at a short price.i think its fair to say nobody really knows what kinda run denman is gonna put in nowadays. the henessy win was magnificent , the 1/8 failure was poor, very good in the gold cup and downright moody today.

i think its fair to say nobody really knows what kinda run denman is gonna put in nowadays.

spot on in my book

mccoy tried everything today, the horse didn't want to know today round there.

What are they trying to do this horse? Dodgy heart,fastish ground,racing wrong way round after a hard race in the GC.These doubts expressed by me pre-race on another thread btw.

owners wouldnt have run if not happy about the ground

Needs a Squiggle.

Pilsudski 21 Apr 18:04
What are they trying to do this horse? Dodgy heart,fastish ground,racing wrong way round after a hard race in the GC.These doubts expressed by me pre-race on another thread btw.

You weren't the only one Pilsudski. I agree whole-heartedly with what you say here. Pure greed imo. Everything today was against him. Just look at the way he was carrying his head - you could see it was hurting him and it was only his bravery that got him into 4th. That race would have left another huge scar. The horse deserves a lot better after the courageous efforts he has put in.

Needs blinkers.

Ruby said so last November!

Dont think the horse is right. Runs like something is hurting him. So 'saves' himself.

i backed it but writing on wall really after the first never going and hanging a long way.back 2 drawing board

Nicholls should have learnt from the past about running his gold cup runners again in the same season, thats three years running.............

Denman is Finished!!

mycoy didnt do anything right either :)

cant do much when arms being pulled off him

didnt ruby say a while ago,that blinkers would suit denman

To get the horse as close as it did, after jumping far from fluently regardless of all the hanging was a professional performance. Denman to me did not look the same horse physically that won the Hennesssy or cam esecond in the Gold Cup. Not suggesting this was a ringer!

Well said,Johnnyrant.

DOG

should never run right handed again a stone worse goin g that way
McCOY PERFORMED A MINOR MIRACLE TO GET THAT CLOSE if yer looking for a scapegoat blame the trainer right handed and on quick gground the horse should never have run needs cut and left handed to be seen at his best

even a man with a pumpkin for a head would have recognised the dangers of going right handed and, you would think, have adapted the training and/or gear to reflect that

i had a feeling it would all end in tears.loves soft ground imo.iff u backed it i would like to know your reasoning?

i didn't

but on handicapping it should have won by a furlong

this was a SHOCKING bet today with everything we know about the horse.... you nedd yer bumps read if you did yer dough imo

zilzal1 21 Apr 18:36
Nicholls should have learnt from the past about running his gold cup runners again in the same season, thats three years running.

He'd point to the fact that Neptune Collonges won the Guinness Gold Cup twice after running in the Gold Cup (3rd behind Denman in 2008) and KK and WOA both won both races in the same year since 2005.

Denman and Kauto are older I suppose but they were n't three years ago.

I think the right handed thing is valid criticism in hindsight (must've had a good idea beforehand that could be a problem), personally not convinced the ground was an issue.

There might be a problem physically with the horse or maybe - like humans - they get to the point were they won't - or can't - go through the physiological pain barrier anymore.

It's interesting that two top class horses for the same stable both have their own radical ideas - maybe the bright ones are the best ones.

Also possible that they're not that keen on the travelling by sea.

better to back it today than to lay it at Newbury imo

Horse had had a heart problem. I thought that McCoy might acrually pull him up as he amy have been trying to tell old AP that he wasn't feeling too good!

Connections should retire him as he owes them nothing, but then that aint gonna line their pockets either.

Hope Denman is OK anyway which is the main thing ;)

easy to say after joker.bonehead comment considering how poor a race it was

cant wait for the denman v kauto at chelters.roll on next march

Reckon that Gold Cup run hit the top off him, shouldn't really have run again this season,
felt very sorry for the horse today.

Think that should be hit for Denman. Over the hill springs to mind

to get beat 3 times in a row on one of the best chasers seen in the last 30 years takes some **kin doing well done tony.

writing on the wall when AP could barely get him to go on to the course proper - fell out of love with the game IMO.

very harsh blaming AP for that debacle ;)

Has to pack it all in now before all the good memories are forgotten and does himself a mischief! Top animal in his day but finished now!!

OVERRATED horse. SIMPLE

first run of the season was impressive

bizarrely that was just about his highest SP too

i don't think its been over rated to win a gold cup and 2 hennesy's off top weight but as has been mentioned you never know what horse is going to turn up now, had plenty of tough races and problems, would hate to see them heap too much more on the horse tbh.

Horse can be a real mule at times.You can't blame McCoy for trying to get it to run for him. That's his job FFS. I wish he'd been on Zarrito yesterday instead of the feckin ride that got.

Maybe Hunter chasing is the future

part of top end nat hunt folklore now , the denman kauto gold cups will never be forgotten by anyone who enjoys racing

Hopefully we can forget about them for at least until next winter.

i think it was wonderful lay @2.42 to £1200 bring these talking over rated over bet horses ON

Always found Denman quite reserved.

**y little chatter **er that he must've turned out to be .......... the**

just watched the race, one word for denman today...muleish

Well that proved me wrong then. I never thought it was possible that you could get so many idiots on one thread.

has anyone else ever under performed - i certainly have, on numerous times,but my overall rating is not a bad one.

get a grip lads.

brigust1 - ;)

very few jockeys would have got deman
as close as mccoy did, it was a fantastic effort by AP.
I think there is another big race in the horse yet,
probably on a clockwise track sometime next season ..

sorry, anticlockockwise!!!!!!!!!!!

some serious rubbish here re mccoy and denman........two champs......

We could keep a Denman / Kauto thread up throughout our entire lives, just so people can add to what they think has been missed in the debate, imo.

,9

;(

I give up

^ a fish out of water :D ^