national disgrace..course bookmakers angle,

Bet it on here at 19 (like most others I suspect)

Call Betfair!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Were many books 10/1 on the off iyo, if not where did the SP come from?

you must have hedged...if not i would give up your licence if i were you

hi adge,i think the mccoy fa club were on it.

sorry fan club

i bet on the race at chepstow adge you couldnt keep them off the horse.

it was all 14/1 or 16/1 at the off near me.
i said make of it what you will

So how do they get away with returning 10/1 ?

How come the Beeb wera saying after the race that big three lost ten million each on a race with an over round of 155%. Do Garry and John not understand the market?

the bus 13,
thanks for your advice but i rarely back anything back..i do observe the prices on here.

It might be 155% but customers don't bet to those percentages. It could be 255%, but if the punters all back the winner the bookie loses.

my last show was 14/1 with no exchange to work with(went down again at a good time)made my book the old fashion way and hedged back at 16/1 just before the off,i dont know where the sp return came from,the only thing i can think of is that the smaller sp helped the off course bookies

toronto have you seen when Man united players all crowd around the ref to try and get a decision, thats what Billys and lads reps and workman do when it looks like something they want returned 10 is looking like being returned 14.

laddies backed it 2 win £220k with those in the sp ~ hence a return of 10/1

we were also 14/1 on the off and only won £1263.70 !!!

Bloke from boils said "everyone in Ireland backed it"


yeah yeah - course they did

ps adgy how come u opened up @ 10.30 when pitching in time was 11.00 ?

did you have any losers rlyl?

i'd already taken a monkey by then

you should know by now rlyl that we put ourselves in.

greedy ADGE when i saw 10 on the show couldnt resist the 19 on here

I backed it with Boils, I had my maximum £0.73 on, so I'm a happy chappy tonight.

ribby

over 4 £62.50 plus a monkey approx in the place market

2 reasons

1)the regit influence

2) junior in charge

I would have done £700 in and played a draw after after places !

patsyone,
the bit i don't understand is why anybody wants to lay 18/1 when shown [ rightly or wrongly ] as a 10/1 shot. it baffles me

i had 4 losers,1st,2nd and 4th,the other was dream alliance,i had done my dough by bechers 2nd time round!

we can all holder prices when we the internet.

christ ribero that sounds like my book.

I find it possible that the McCoy horse was backed in and OK as it happens that wins.
But it is the fact that just about everything shortened in the 30 mins or so before the off that sticks in the gullet.

sammy
the problem unfortunately is the sp mechanism
nothing more ~ nothing less !

hi jimnast,as you know thats the way it goes sometimes,just looked at my figures from last year,business down quite considerably although more or less the same numbers of bets the first 2 days,although 500 down today,i suspected this year might be harder than last re the recession,if aintree is anthing to go by i might be right,hope not,not complaining though just an observation.

i found all 3 tracks i went to over easter down on last year ribero,and newton abbot the other sunday very much down,quiet worrying really.

yes,see what this week brings when my local tracks open up.

I think its all a con. Everything these days shortens and not one go out. Bookies are just gangsters.

It may well be the SP mechanism.
If that is the case there is obviously something wrong with it.
Racing For Change ?

sammy
could not agree with u more
but until the mechanism changes the on course bookies will always be the bad guys

"the bad guys!"who cares rlyl,do the critics on here ever bet sp or ever go racing? i couldnt care less.

stop seething if u couldnt care less imho

seething?yes of course.

Barry Conway 10 Apr 22:16
It might be 155% but customers don't bet to those percentages. It could be 255%, but if the punters all back the winner the bookie loses.

pmsl

Your attitude will make you a dying breed ribero.

salmon i aint getting into an argument on here,i come on here mainly to discuss bookmaking issues and the odd reminisce of old racehorses,characters etc, i just think its pointless,you get the same argument and the usual suspects moaning about the price on here and the sp,its a free market and i cant see much changing, i love my job and consider myself extremely lucky and am also of the opinion that 99% of punters on here are staying here and dont blame and can see no point pandying to them as i doubt our paths will cross,i know the people i have to look after to protect my business and i very much doubt they post on here.

12s on my board at the off & was chatham & dover.The places got me the pay.I find the shorte ones are usually bet straight & the rags are the dangerous ones for the places.

truth is adge it,s been shown up for what it is in a high profile race, bookie,s who they bet with quite happy to take the earn today and play ball by shortening the s.p, that might be ok when you,re bettin at southall and u lay a 700/400 and then go 6/4 cos ur just happy to strike a bet but looks a tad embarrising in the national. Is there any truth in the rumour that regit was returning these s.ps?

was also betting at aintree yesterday and laying winner 14s at off all this crap from mcririck blah blah paying 5 places they can when they strangle the price.time the on course guys got credit for giving the on course punters a good service

i was there on thursday some books deserve credit but not all for instance in big bucks race many where betting without the fav one book who had the pitch on the end of the line as you walk into the ring was going evens tidal bay if you walked 10 yards you could get 7/4 the one laying evens was taking nearly all the money off the uneducated because he had the prime site i was astounded but it just shows you as the old property saying goes location location location.

AS YOU POINT OUT SCARECROW IT PAYS TO SHOP AROUND.NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IF A STARTING PRICE PUNTER

you were bound to be a bad loser on that adge . you know that all the once a years back the housewives fav in the derby dont they or the national. no big deal .

When they announced over the tannoy it had been backed into 10/1 fav I checked my board & it was 16/1. I too was 14/1 at the off. If the horse could be backed in the ring to win fortunes at 14/1 then surely the SP mechanism is stupid if it comes up with 10/1.

Isn't this one of the most important areas that the Gambling Commission should be looking at?

yeswasnot but you no what the big boys are goiung to do so really you should of been waiting for it. they wil always throw asprat to catch a mackerel the 16s you lot lay is then 10s in their shops for a few grand.

at least dick turpin wore a mask B-)

it was the best backed in the race as mccoy always is but many bets of £2.50 each way just make for a long payout queue.
this would be the same the country over.

i'm sure from my observations plus my course friends that the correct s.p should have been 14/1 [ backed from an opening 20/1 ] but we don't have a say in returned prices.

of course it should of been adge but you knowwhat they do the ladcrooks an them.

oncourse bookmakers may be taking more real money in the future and yesterdays trend reversed? then you mugs get out!

pardon my ignorance but how /who? is responsible for the sp returns nowadays.

Nanny goat paid out @ 14.7-1

How do they pick which books are used to return the SP?

mr magoo you dont think for 1 minute that the people who check the boards an return the sp are partial to a brown envelope or sweetener discreetly would you?

Adge You are always fair
can you answer the question please

Geoff m if they doing that game i bet they made a few quid??? lol :-)

santa you are not far away from the TRUTH

i wanna be a sp man!!!!! :-)

I'm not accusing any bookies of being dishonest, just wondering how they pick which books to calculate the SP from, i.e. how many bookies, and so on.

If they only take a few then it presumably is much easier to squeeze a price down. If there were many bookies used it would be a lot trickier. By the sounds of things, the majority of bookies were offering 14/1+ on the winner yet their odds get ignored.

Could we get the names of all the bookmakers who were at aintree yesterday put up on here somewhere?

this happens every year :|



and will still be same in 100 years :|

There is a Joker who smokes a big Cigar works for a big Firm
Who Got ? with his pants down at the sps lark

There may be room for a third wave betting organisation?

sorry , off to a p2p now .
will answer any question tonight

so where do i bet im number 10 in the ring ?...........the question implies that youve not laid 12 to the firms and maybe traded back at 18 on here ,i say maybe because you have stated that you dont back horses back so your more than happy to lay 12 a 18 chance which i can see makes sense ....i.e. if yoy lay 2-1 a 3-1 chance than theorectically speaking long term you must win ....but you bet in the ring for a long time now havent you and you know with experience that with a pick number of 10 you can choose basically where to go ,so i assume you picked the right place ,not the right place to be involved in the s.p. market i may state ..........so i dont quite understand whats the point ya trying to say or prove ...it wouldnt be too hard to find out where the s.p. was taken from so next year why dont you trade there then when laddys come in 15 mins before the off and trade 3-4-5 horses in the national youll be able to get them in at the appropiate rate that suits you ........but id taken a little evens next year your more than happy to bet in the same spot you bet this year .......the 12 in the sp are more than happy to play ball with the firms ,we know that dont we ,you all prove time and time again in mid-week that your happy to lie in bed with them .........because if you dont they cut you out of the will then go squealing to sp reporters that your not prepared to lay a bet

Johnnywilkinson, respect, so you telling me Badblokes were the cause of want went on yesterday?

Why no drifters?

as a matter of intrest adge how old are you

metro john ill answer ya question even though you could be on the wind up ..........laddys do it every year

jw, number 10 wouldn`t get you to bet in the SP 12.
I should think they take 6 from Tatts and 6 from the
Rails, though I`m not totally sure.

over rounds of 150% are equivalent to loan shark rates - you have to laugh at the bookmakers case against exchanges when left to themselves they treat the voting public this way.

The whole system is a mess. Course bookmakers can't make a consistent and dependable living from bread n butter everyday stuff and political pressure from yesterday will make them the whipping boys.

Here's my forecast for the 2015 GN

On course tote monopoly with every 'product' haveing a pre-declared and well advertised deduction %

New SP system based on analysis of bets in off-course shops and online business

All redundant on course bookies trading on Betfair

Thankyou johnnywilkinson, i hope they pay for your pitch???? i thought not robbin lastards!

zeppilin .....i accept that ...and i could stand corrected

metro i havent got i pitch

Its about time the course bookies turned badblokes away or at least knock em back? times have changed the badbloke mafia on the way out!

it would be intresting if anybody outside the six on either boards or rails have laid the firms

Jonnywilkinson, i aint got a clue!!!!!

you implied metro i had a pitch or are we getting crossed wires

i know you aint got a pitch because you aint moaned about the cost of that pitch?????

got ya john

thyat wilkins fella was an sp man now works for fleecing the punter for over 50 years.. changed jobs to pr man from sp man. mmm what was that all about ?

Philistine??? is that out you spell that? info?

zeppelin,unlike the "off" meetings bookies including the top picks scatter everywhere,in fact most of the top picks go in the new areas,the first bay in tatts where the top ten picks would go in order on the "off" days only had 5 bookies yesterday!

Why would ladbrokes trade out on course when they can trade out on here? Oh dear!

Santa ask the old boys if they want to tell you

Santa because he got the Rudd Gullit

fair enough sevey . would like to know who does the sorting the cash out to whom on the 9 8 runners that become 7 runners though? cost me a good lift on possol on thursday but no big shock there . always happening.

What can be done? if anything to change the ongoing fleecing of street punters?

the punters friend john Mc is very quiet these days wonder why

bearing in mind the layout of the jungle on the most congested day of the year, I would have an educated guess the return came from:

chronicle
v c
h1lls
l@ddies
m cook
r christie
k johnson
c webster
p whelan
bdh