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Sunset Cristo
10 Apr 10 17:40
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When was the last time a horse with 11-5 won the national? Does this now mean that horses with weight will start winning the national?
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Report ELG April 10, 2010 5:40 PM BST
ask nick m ordin

:o
Report Billbullets April 10, 2010 5:40 PM BST
easier to carry the weight on good ground
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 10, 2010 5:41 PM BST
Not much relevance now it is a compressed handicap
Report Try My Best April 10, 2010 5:42 PM BST
Ibrahima is correct
Report Sunset Cristo April 10, 2010 5:43 PM BST
Grittar 1982. Carried 11-5
Report okthen April 10, 2010 5:45 PM BST
sorry for being a dimwit but please explain the conditions for a compressed handicap
Report red and horny April 10, 2010 5:46 PM BST
He weighed back in with 11-4
Report pension fund April 10, 2010 5:47 PM BST
Corbiere carried 11-4 or 11-5 in 1983
Report Facts April 10, 2010 5:48 PM BST
11.6 actually !
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 10, 2010 5:48 PM BST
to encourage a better standard of horse the handicapper rates them slightly differently for the national, so you dont get top class horses giving lumps of weight away to the others.
Report Facts April 10, 2010 5:48 PM BST
Facts 10 Apr 17:48


11.6 actually !

McCoy that was
Report Sunset Cristo April 10, 2010 5:51 PM BST
Corbiere was 11-4
Report okthen April 10, 2010 5:51 PM BST
thanks Sonko tho it is depressing news. Is nothing sacred?
Report Sunset Cristo April 10, 2010 5:54 PM BST
How long has it been a compressed handicap? Last 2 years results were 11-0 and 11-5. Don't look unusual compared to 82 and 83 11-5 and 11-4.
Report Benatom April 10, 2010 5:55 PM BST
totally different race in last 8 years

bin the stats from now on

much better horses being encouraged to run by phil smith
Report Sunset Cristo April 10, 2010 5:58 PM BST
2003 Monty's Pass 10 10-07 Barry Geraghty Jimmy Mangan Dee Racing Syndicate 016.0016/1



2004 Amberleigh House 12 10-10 Graham Lee Ginger McCain Halewood Int. Ltd 016.0016/1



2005 Hedgehunter 9 11-01 Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins Trevor Hemmings 007.007/1 F

2006 Numbersixvalverde 10 10-08 Niall Madden Martin Brassil Bernard Carroll 011.0011/1

2007 Silver Birch 10 10-06 Robbie Power Gordon Elliott Brian Walsh 033.0033/1


2008 Comply or Die 9 10-09 Timmy Murphy David Pipe David Johnson 007.007/1 JF


2009 Mon Mome 9 11-00 Liam Treadwell Venetia Williams Vida Bingham 100.00100/1



2010 Don't Push It 10 11-05 Tony McCoy Jonjo O'Neill J. P. McManus 10.0010/1 JF
Report Sunset Cristo April 10, 2010 5:59 PM BST
Sunset Cristo 10 Apr 17:58


2003 Monty's Pass 10 10-07 Barry Geraghty Jimmy Mangan Dee Racing Syndicate 016.0016/1



2004 Amberleigh House 12 10-10 Graham Lee Ginger McCain Halewood Int. Ltd 016.0016/1



2005 Hedgehunter 9 11-01 Ruby Walsh Willie Mullins Trevor Hemmings 007.007/1 F

2006 Numbersixvalverde 10 10-08 Niall Madden Martin Brassil Bernard Carroll 011.0011/1

2007 Silver Birch 10 10-06 Robbie Power Gordon Elliott Brian Walsh 033.0033/1


2008 Comply or Die 9 10-09 Timmy Murphy David Pipe David Johnson 007.007/1 JF


2009 Mon Mome 9 11-00 Liam Treadwell Venetia Williams Vida Bingham 100.00100/1



2010 Don't Push It 10 11-05 Tony McCoy Jonjo O'Neill J. P. McManus 10.0010/1 JF




Why whats different about them? Look about average weights to me.
Report Diamond_Joe_Quimby April 10, 2010 6:00 PM BST
Handicapper has genuinely ruined this race by turning it into a limited handicap.

Gone are the days when a small owner/trainer/jock could have a decent chance on this race. The Higher rated horses will win and bigger owners/trainers will clean up imho
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 10, 2010 6:01 PM BST
Probably means those races from the 80's didnt have a top class horse at the top of the handicap.
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