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2026 Epsom Derby Thread
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Tom Seagal seemed to think Epsom was the target in his article this morning not that I could read it all!
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Oxagon has been supp’d
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Hawk Mountain
Causeway - scratched Flushing Meadows - scratched today Christmas Day - scratched Montreal Dorset Endorsement Constitution River |
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The French handicapper has both Hawk Mountain and River both on the same mark top rated.
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So you could say it’s even odder that he remains :
Segall : “Every year they run horses at Epsom who might not stay….. and it would certainly be a change of strategy were Constitution River to miss Epsom for Chantilly, especially when Coolmore have two live chances of winning the Prix du Jockey Club in Hawk Mountain and Montreal, who have been on the French programme all along.” |
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Was matched just now @ 18 back into 8
A grand has been put on today |
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A grand is significant. I'm trying to build a warchest on Pierre at 12.5 and more. I think there could be a sting in the tail this year. Moore had chosen wrongly 2x in the Classics so far.
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CR to Chantilly confirmed. Makes sense as the only difference between CR and BC is that stamina no longer in doubt for 12f whilst CR has more than enough pace for 10f.
I expect BC to shorten to 3.0 at best for Epsom and could be shorter as the opposition looks weak. |
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Just released that he’s going to France, strange people were backing him?
He could and should have just said have just said that Epsom was not or ever an option. No interest in this years Derby for me now as the colts don’t excite me. |
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Good luck with your bets.
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Con River is out to 40 here, and 25 in the high street. I'm glad that's been confirmed.
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conformed, with this lot awouldnt surprise me one little bit , theyll change their minds by tomorrow
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Any betting for the French version? Graffard has a stellar charge declared too.
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It’s priced up and as I posted the French handicapper has River & Mountain top rated so odd you’d run them against eachother.
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Be funny if it’s drawn 19 or 19!
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If that happens could Con River be scratched and rerouted to Epsom? I think Hawk Mountain is an able sub for France.
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Con River is 7/4. Is he ground dependent? I do not know the present going at Longchamp.
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It’s at Chantilly and the draw is important.
There’s an unbeaten German horse called Gostom 1111 20/1 Guess who’s been booked? BILLY LOUGHNANE! |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe1I_vBaXQM
Was his first start of the year. The 3rd Peace Of Japan 40/1 also runs. |
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16 left in the Jockey Club
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Report• Quote • Block User Delashay • May 26, 2026 10:41 AM BST
Delashay • May 25, 2026 10:57 AM BST Hawk Mountain Causeway - scratched Flushing Meadows Christmas Day - scratched Montreal Dorset - Scratched today Endorsement - Scratched today Constitution River Report• Quote • Block User Delashay • May 26, 2026 10:46 AM BST Leaves in six! If he takes 3 out and runs what’s been suggested it leaves a 16 runner field if the others stand their ground. Draw is a gamble. |
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It’s unusual for him to run so many especially with two being top rated.
Last year it was 2 St Marks and Trinity Collage. Year before was just dirty Diego! |
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River drawn 15 of 16
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Hawk with Soumi 11
Montreal Lordon 12 |
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Got to be a chance they pull CR and re-route to Epsom.
Glad that Endorsement wasn’t declared in France which hopefully mean he runs at Epsom. Sadly he will almost certainly be used as a pace maker.  |
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You never know with that lot Uncle, money still being out in River
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Was 29, 100 odd this morning now 29, 700 +
They can’t pull it now after talking about how Ryan will try to negotiate the draw. So who’s backing? |
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29, 800 + now 25 just matched sloooow trickle but still people backing
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RP interview today with Peter Brant co-owner of BC. Very positive. Interesting man.
"If you go back in history there are a lot of great stallions who have won it, and sometimes horses that run a mile and a half have speed. With Benvenuto, he's shown a nice turn of foot at a mile [finishing third in the Futurity on heavy ground at Doncaster last October] and won at Chester over the Derby trip in a race [the Vase] the Magniers really value and believe in, so we have a lot of hope for him. "Aidan has always liked him and he's out of a great mare [Newspaperofrecord] by a great stallion, so he's everything you hope for, but getting it done is a difficult thing and we have to see if he has the experience for that." |
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The weather forecast for Epsom next week is unsettled with many days with precipitation. What effects could that have on the principle runners eg Ben, Item and Pierre? Ben was heavily inconvenienced when finishing behind Hawk Mountain and Action in the The Futurity at Doncaster; Pierre won The Criterium in St Cloud on very soft going; Item ?
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AOB: "Pierre Bonnard has improved a lot since his 2nd run at Leopardstown. We thought he'd, and he's - he's a different horse now."
If Moore chooses him over Ben given the probable (softer) going more market shenanigans over the next few days. |
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25 years ago I had an incredible double , Imagine and Galileo.
I im getting the feeling there might be a repeat. Racing Post "Aidan O’Brien has compared Betfred Derby favourite Benvenuto Cellini to his legendary grandsire, the 2001 Derby winner Galileo, as he looks ahead to a potential Derby double over the next two weekends. Marking the anniversary of Galileo’s Epsom victory in a major interview in Sunday’s newspaper, O’Brien said: “Benvenuto is the most incredible mover, very like his grandad [Galileo]. He might be a bit quicker than him, too. But he has that beautifully balanced action. His movement is incredible. He moves with so much class." O’Brien and the Coolmore team faced a major dilemma with their two star colts, Benvenuto Cellini and Constitution River, after both won at Chester this month. In the end, while Benvenuto Cellini heads to Epsom, Constitution River will run in Sunday’s Qatar Prix du Jockey Club. The trainer has admitted that connections were tempted to run Constitution River at Epsom, but in the end it was the likely distance preferences of both horses – Constitution River is even felt capable of dropping to a mile later in the season – that swayed the decision. |
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Benvenuto always looked like he would get a mile and a half, which he did at Chester,” he said. “We always felt he would get a mile and a half but could come back to a mile and a quarter, whereas Constitution River will have no problem coming back to a mile. He looked like he might get a mile and a quarter, so he went to Chester to find out and he looked like he did. Chantilly will be another test for him.
“If you bring him to Epsom you're bringing him into an even bigger unknown. Obviously the French Derby will be another big step up but he oozes class and what excites everyone about him is the way he does everything. He canters through his work and he canters through his races. And then he quickens. That's what he's done in all his work and in all his races.” As for Benvenuto Cellini, O’Brien feels his Futurity Trophy defeat last season has toughened him up and turned him into a proper Derby horse. "Benvenuto was a very good horse last year,” he added. “He had to go to the Racing Post [Futurity] Trophy and he had to tough it out there in tough conditions. He had to go through that pain. He grew up that day.” |
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I think it is a huge compliment to Benvenuto that they are running Constitution River at Chantilly.
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They are greedy truckers and know that River would have ran past him, this keeps a mega rich owner happy and is a horse who’ll stay. One of very few.
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It’s taken time but now it’s up to 30,000 on River!
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Why’s this Ben the good thing liked to the great G not shorter? Ie 11/10?
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He won the favoured Derby trial with a penalty, took some pulling up, it’s been strongly intimated by the trainer that he’s Moore’s pick but I can get 9/4.
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hey are greedy truckers and know that River would have ran past him, t
Bold statement Delashay. What are you basing this on? |
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I've two free bets. One on Ben, the other on Pierre. The latter would win me 2x the former.
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