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Report Figgis June 21, 2022 4:13 PM BST

I don't think Homeless Songs has quite hit the heights of Minding or Alpha Centauri either. Truth is if I take HS's best rating and Inspiral's then I have HS only 1lb ahead. Even if I was spot on I don't kid myself that confidence can be placed in such fine margins. The main reason I would go max on HS is the price, as it seems pretty clear the market is going to greatly favour Inspiral. Also I would prefer to side with the filly who has definitely shown she's recently improved. For as good as Inspiral's effort was I'm not convinced she improved, but we'll see. Obviously things will depend on what happens before they meet (if they do). If HS had a hard race beforehand and Inspiral wins easily then I may very well favour Inspiral. I might even back her against colts if I thought a race had softened up for her. Wink
Report Figgis June 21, 2022 4:44 PM BST
There is no doubt at all she would have won the 1000 Guineas as well has she been ready to run there

COT, I completely agree with that. By my reckoning her Ascot performance would've seen her win the Guineas comfortably by around 2 lengths. But this year's Guineas was the worst for ages, so that would still only make her a very good filly rather than a brilliant one.

I just think the racing media go overboard about some of these up to scratch Gp1 wins and try to make them sound astonishing. This can lead to a situation where he who praises everybody praises nobody. Which in turn leads to a cynical response where some people can't even acknowledge true brilliance when it's in evidence. Baaeed being compared with Frankel, for example, which we both agree is nonsense.
Report brandyontherocks June 21, 2022 9:21 PM BST
Not many posts I enjoy reading these days, but Fig, Sandown and COT you have made this topic interesting. Great analysis and perfect grammar to boot.
Report cryoftruth June 22, 2022 7:27 AM BST
Hi Figgis

I actually do agree with much of what you say. Having rather taken to Inspiral after her first race when she was clueless before the last half furlong when she shot clear, I am a fan and thus biased! We all try and spot the next one early. I have had a few successes but many failures on that score certainly. Inspiral’s jury is still out to some extent but I remain full of hope. A clash with Baaeed is one I am hoping for before the end of the season, although Homeless Song may have to be dealt with first.
123 as a rating does not make her a superstar, and it’s easy to use superlatives.

However she just might yet prove superstar status. I say this because, at least so far she has ended up winning easily enough, and nothing has yet looked to trouble her. Maybe it’s her style of racing that (until beaten) makes he so full of potential still.

If she takes the Falmouth next (where she will be odds on) it will be later when she meets the colts that she will prove it one way or the other.

Her breeding very much suggests that she will improve for going further though. One half brother (Celestran) is less stoutly bred and yet stayed 11 furlongs and won over 10.

I really do think she may be capable of getting close to 130 when she develops further and gets to race over 10 furlongs, and her turn of foot would be deadly over that trip. If she did get that far and prove to be around 130 she would have as high a rating as Enable! It is not altogether out of the question that Inspiral could stay the Arc trip!

It rather looks like Frankel is developing into a champion sire now doesn’t it?

Anyway we have interesting times to look forward to in our discussions.
Report A_T June 22, 2022 8:34 AM BST
Homeless Songs is in the Falmouth but odds suggest not running - Weld very choosy about the ground for her so no guarantee the 2 will ever meet
Report cryoftruth June 22, 2022 9:20 AM BST
Oh and Inspiral’s finish at Royal Ascot, having been 12 lengths behind at half way was absolutely sensational.
Report penzance June 22, 2022 10:18 AM BST
The Ascot race shows you were extremely unlucky she did'nt
show for the Guineas,cryoftruth.You done well putting her
up well in advance,saying she's a good filly.Whether you
backed her on here,I dont know,hope you came out of the
Guineas with a few bob though,at least & this race.
Report cryoftruth June 22, 2022 12:54 PM BST
Well thank you.

I broke even on the Guineas after all this year thanks, betfair does at least allow you to take advantage of good antepost bets before they withdraw.

My successes and failures antepost are very long standing  - I am old!

Balanchine and Alexandrova were very big wins. Light Shift, Midday, Was, Workforce & Diminuendo less big wins too. Missed Frankel somehow as I thought he would be a Derby horse. This year a friend helped me win well on Tuesday, but I had actually backed Emily Upjohn at 50/1!

Biggest disappointment until Inspiral was 25/1 about Celtic Swing for the 2000 Guineas. He was unbeatable. Then in the Guineas they raced on a rutted road of firm ground, then he was knocked sideways by Chilly Billy coming out of the stalls, could not go down into the dip well, but rallied and lost by a foot to bloody Pennekamp. I have never quite recovered from that trauma! You can tell from my forensic memory of that particular tragedy! Would have won nearly a thousand pounds but for sheer bad luck,

This year I seem  to have already lost on Age Of Kings for next year’s 2000 Guineas!

But it’s all good fun if you try not to get too seriously involved financially.
Report Sandown June 23, 2022 11:07 AM BST
These days we are supplied with sectionals for all races at Ascot through the ATR site. I would suggest that one be careful about over-rating Inspiral's performance because compared with other races that day and other days, whilst it was good, I don't deny that, "sensational" is too strong a term to use imo. The truth is that compared to her rivals on the day, she was much better than those, by a long way, but the rest were not, either under-performing or not as good as thought. I grant that it "looked" sensational.

Inspiral was give an RPR of 123 which I won't argue with but also a Top Speed figure of 94. Even with a sectional upgrade I can't rate the performance as more than 109.Inspiral's time for the last 2f was 23.87 secs, certainly the fastest finishing split of the day. But compare with Thesis on the Thursday (ok 8f straight course but last 2f the same) at 23.78 seconds (NB going allowance almost exactly the same both days for last 3f).And just to make the point more strongly, Krypios finished in 23.00 seconds after 20f in the Gold Cup.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not knocking Inspiral in anyway, she is a top-class filly. And I have seen this situation before where the RPR given is not really supported by the clock a few times yet the horse went on to show better figures subsequently. The best example that comes to mind is Giants Causeway in 1999/2000 who I got wrong a few times. He evventually won 9 from 13 with 6 in G1 races.

So, before backing Inspiral at very short prices in future, my advice is to be somewhat cautious. She probably is the real deal, but.....
Report A_T June 23, 2022 2:11 PM BST
You can look at those times in a different way - Inspiral finished the last furlong half a second faster than any other filly in the race. In the Gold Cup the first 4 all covered it within 0.2 secs of each other. Inspiral produced a blistering finish off an even pace - the stayers were all sprinting home after a crawl.

Thanks Sandown for showing where to find the sectionals.
Report impossible123 June 23, 2022 2:17 PM BST
Indeed. I think with give in the ground I'll back Homeless Songs over Inspiral. And, that's nothing to do with being no-Gosden fan.

Let's hope the duel could take place in The Falmouth.
Report duffy June 23, 2022 3:18 PM BST
HS was visually mightily impressive in Ireland but the couple of horses in the race capable of top class form other than her have shown that they need 12f to do it, nothing in that race is looking likely at being top drawer over a mile so she ran away from a couple of decent horses over too short a trip and others have let that race down subsequently.
Report cryoftruth June 23, 2022 4:20 PM BST
I doubt Homeless Song is as good as Inspiral but it’s quite possible,

Timeform have Inspiral 125p and Homeless 123p. It’s a question of which makes more progress. I think Inspiral has more potential but it’s only a biased opinion and it’s not like Tuesday let the Irish 1000 Guineas form down is it, by winning the Oaks albeit a bit fortunately. 

Actually both may well appreciate further, both by Frankel and both with half siblings who stayed further. I would imagine it would be quite a race if they were to meet say in the Nassau Stakes or even better in the Judmonte International at York, where either might humble Baaeed.
Report cryoftruth June 23, 2022 4:25 PM BST
I think Inspiral’s finish at Ascot was sensational to look at. It was an amazing turn of foot, the likes of which I have rarely seen. She gave pretty decent fillies about a 16 length thrashing over the last half mile. The replay of the last 5 furlongs is reminiscent  of the stuff Enable used to dish up.
Report A_T June 23, 2022 4:50 PM BST
yes I'm not sure how common it is in G1 races for the winner to cover the final furlong half-a-second faster than all the other runners
Report Sandown June 23, 2022 5:18 PM BST
If we want to evaluate horse races as well as we can, we have to use data, and not just rely on our eyes alone. Fortunately, sectional time analyses are now available for all our courses using ATR and Racing TV, so the concerns we had before using a stop watch, can now be more accurately measured using electronic measured and GPS.

During Ascot week last week, the fastest finishing times (last 2f) were posted by these horses
Baaeed 23.1 (8S) Tues
Nature Strip 23.35 (5S) Tues
Bradsell 23.52 (6S) Tues
State of Rest 23.58 (10R) Wed
Bay Bridge 23.58 (10R) Wed
Thesis 23.78 (8S) Thurs
Kyprios 23.0 (20R) Thurs
Claymore 23.58 (10R)Thurs
Inspiral 23.87 (8R) Fri
Rohaan 23.61 (6S)

Obviously, weight carried and going differences need to be factored in, as well as distance & R v S course, but in terms of sheer speed assessment, our eyes are not as reliable as electronic timing.
Report duffy June 23, 2022 5:29 PM BST
and the pace set throughout
Report Figgis June 23, 2022 5:52 PM BST
How many of the opposition fillies arrived there in peak form? Probably Spendarella, but I don't know how good she is. The third and fourth had put up rubbish performances in a substandard Guineas, and Tenebrism was extremely weak in the market. While Cachet certainly wasn't a good Guineas winner her form had already taken a dip in France. Not too surprising only fourteen days after the hard fought Newmarket win. She certainly didn't run to form at Ascot. Despite it being a substandard Guineas I don't believe Honey Girl would've finished a close second there.
Report A_T June 23, 2022 7:05 PM BST
I don't see the point trying to apply an objective approach if you're then going to throw in arbitrary opinions on which horses you think ran to form and which didn't

also a list of final furlong furlong times from all manner of races from 5f to 24f tells us little - the first 4 in the Gold Cup ran faster times then Inspiral for the final furlong - but she ran faster times for the preceding 4

Inspiral ran the final furling 0.5 secs faster than any other horse in her race (which had classic winners) - how often does that happen in a G1 flat race? unbeaten now in 5 and daylight behind her every time
Report Figgis June 23, 2022 7:17 PM BST
if you're then going to throw in arbitrary opinions on which horses you think ran to form and which didn't

It's a direct question (and my own answer) to the people who keep saying she hammered a top class field.
Report Sandown June 23, 2022 9:30 PM BST
how often does that happen in a G1 flat race

Every time the winner comes from the rear which is frequently. 0.5 second is only  3 lengths so its easy enough to answer for yourself by looking up the records using RP results page. Often the front runners have gone too fast a pace and run much slower in the final couple of furlongs. Its that which creates the illusion of a horse winning by flying home. That happened in Inspiral's race at Ascot, but please believe me,I am not knocking Inspiral, just pointing out that relative performance differs from absolute performance.To be a top class horse she still has around 7lbs to find on collateral ratings and many well do so. But she won't need to if she only meets inferior horses. Time will tell just how good she is.
Report A_T June 23, 2022 9:57 PM BST
winning the race by 3 lengths is not the same thing as covering the final furlong in a time 0.5 secs faster than every other horse in the race.

agree that running an even pace is what made Inspiral look so good. Which begs the question why bring up all the other Ascot horses finishing 2f times without any context.

I would be genuinely interested to know how often at level weights a horse has covered the final furlong of a G1 flat race 0.5 secs faster than all the others. I suspect not easy to find this data.
Report Sandown June 23, 2022 10:22 PM BST
RP comparison of Top Speed and Collateral ratings for Inspiral.

Please note that she has not yet posted a G1 TS figure which would have to be in 3 figures (110+) really to qualify. STo adte, 94 is her highest TS rating.

Her RPR of 123 is a G1 figure posted for her Ascot run. On this evidence, I have no qualms about rating her as a G1 horse but she has of yet not put up a time performance which indicates that she  might be capable of reaching a RPR rating of around  130 which she would have to, to qualify as one of the best ever, but she is not far off say 126 RPR  which would put her in the top bracket.

For comparison, Enable rated 117 TS 129 RPR,Zarvava 123 TS, 129 RPR, Treve 115 TS  131 RPR. At the moment, Inspiral is someway off on TS and until she proves that she can run at least 20lbs faster, I can't in all honesty rate her as "sensational" but people will believe what they want to believe,  which is fair enough.

DATE/CSE        DIST. GNG.    WGT / HDGR        OR    TS    RPR

17Jun22 Asc rnd C13yG1F 284K    1m    GF        115    94    123

08Oct21Nmk row C12yG1F 284K    1m    GS        110    94    116
09Sep21Don str C12yG2F 64K    1m    GF        104    91    110
22Jul21San C12yLF 24K    7f    GF    9-0        —    70    104
26Jun21Nmk july C42yMdF 4K    7f    GF        —    43    88
Report Figgis June 23, 2022 10:31 PM BST
I would be genuinely interested to know how often at level weights a horse has covered the final furlong of a G1 flat race 0.5 secs faster than all the others

If we're talking about sectionals that are out there in the public domain then there isn't a lot we can point to. Nevertheless we only need to go back 2 years to the very same race to find that Alpine Star ran .4 sec quicker than all the other fillies. A decent filly but hardly a world beater.
Report Sandown June 23, 2022 10:37 PM BST
AT. I gave you context, distance, course, going.

The point of looking at the final 2f is that is where a horse is asked for maximum effort and is a good metric for speed. Stamina is another issue. The point of using the top 10 finishers, irrespective of distance run, shows that Inspiral's finisghing kick was not exceptional. There were 9 other horses which finished faster.

Of course, the overall time matters as well and there were 12 other horses on the week  which put up a higher TS figure, taking into account age, distance, going, weight carried. Inspiral looked good because all the 11 others around her were slowing as much she was finishing fast.
Report impossible123 June 24, 2022 4:21 PM BST
The Gosdens reckoned more to come from Inspiral before the race. This time no %age intimated. Inspiral was visually impressive but will need to prove it against Homeless Songs, I think, hopefully in The Falmouth.
Report cryoftruth June 24, 2022 8:38 PM BST
It's a direct question (and my own answer) to the people who keep saying she hammered a top class field.

I suppose that’s right but …

She has utterly hammered every field she has met, surely something she has hammered has been a bit quicker than a tree???
Report A_T June 24, 2022 8:49 PM BST
I'm not sure what horses are expected to be in a race restricted to 3yo fillies? I mean the winners of the guineas, cheveley park and pouliches plus an unbeaten America horse isn't too bad is it? Miesque and Zarkava have retired I'm afraid.
Report Figgis June 24, 2022 8:54 PM BST
surely something she has hammered has been a bit quicker than a tree

Again you're confusing the statement that a filly is a good up to scratch Gp1 filly with the implication that she is subpar.
Report penzance June 24, 2022 9:16 PM BST
Inspiral put a GP1 field to the sword on her
seasonal reappearance.She's an excellent filly.
Report Sandown June 24, 2022 9:24 PM BST
I think that we can all agree that Inspiral is an excellent filly, a G1 filly. The issue,though, is whether she is a top class G1 horse who can be put into a super bracket. Not yet , is my view, but if she can improve considerably on that performance, which she might well do, then my view will change.
Report A_T June 24, 2022 9:39 PM BST
agree - until raced outside it's age and gender class noone should be crowning any super horse. But Inspiral does look very exciting - would be good to see her vs Baaeed in the Sussex Stakes but she doesn't appear to be entered. Falmouth Stakes would just be a penalty kick.
Report Figgis June 24, 2022 9:53 PM BST
I suppose it depends on how long you've been following the sport or how short your memory is. I remember similar fillies to this, Gossamer for example, being prematurely acclaimed a superstar off the back of visually impressive performances but no better than par for the grade in substance. The punters who think Inspiral is as good as the colts might be proved right. Well done to them if they're correct. After all, it's all about being ahead of the market rather than following it. It's just that with all the hype she's already going to be priced like she's the real deal, so her backers will need to be very, very confident in her ability in order to beat the book.
Report penzance June 24, 2022 10:13 PM BST
Gossamer were'nt 5/5 for a start,she got well btn
in the Guineas,then won in Ireland.
Report Figgis June 24, 2022 10:36 PM BST
I know Gossamer was beaten in the Guineas, but she obviously didn't run her race. I don't hold one poor run against a horse, or put too much store in remaining unbeaten, especially when the horse in question has only raced once as a 3yo. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, just giving my own. Personally I hope everyone thinks she's the second coming and backs her accordingly, the more the merrier Wink
Report penzance June 24, 2022 10:45 PM BST
Who's saying she's the second coming?
She's unbeaten in 5 and some on here are giving
her the credit she deserves.
Report Figgis June 24, 2022 11:08 PM BST
I've said she's an up to scratch fully deserved Gp1 filly, that's credit enough for me. Some are saying that isn't praise enough, which must mean they think she's exceptional by Gp1 standards. I'm just saying I don't believe she is.
Report penzance June 24, 2022 11:30 PM BST
Yep,the games all about differing opinions.
Report A_T June 25, 2022 10:07 AM BST
Personally I hope everyone thinks she's the second coming and backs her accordingly, the more the merrier

so Figgis you'll be laying her next time?
Report Figgis June 25, 2022 10:56 AM BST
Depends on her future races and if her betters have hard races beforehand. But as things stand if she were to meet HS or Coroebus I'd be backing against her with confidence.
Report impossible123 June 25, 2022 4:52 PM BST
Despite Gosden indicating Inspiral would come on for the race she did look fit by the paddock watchers. Maybe she was fitter than what her trainer had alluded to prior the race.
Report cryoftruth June 29, 2022 11:40 AM BST
Hope to God the owners insist on the best jockey - Frankie riding her.

Actually hope that they remove her and send her to a stable that shows an amount of decency and loyalty to their jockeys rather than shouting in public and sacking them willly-nilly.
Report impossible123 June 29, 2022 2:46 PM BST
Indeed. I hope so too. I'd not want my horses to be trained by Gosden junior when there are more experienced and proven trainers around. Cheveley Park did remove their horses from Elliot post that "photocall".

But, Gosden snr is a very smooth and at times economic talker, and persuasive individual.
Report brandyontherocks June 29, 2022 7:23 PM BST
And proven top drawer trainer.
Whether you like how he has handled this situation. The job he does, a paid trainer, he is very good at.
Report duffy June 30, 2022 4:25 PM BST
I fully expect Dettori to ride Inspiral and that is precisely why Gosden used the term sabbatical, it's because he knows that to all intents and purposes the relationship is done accept for one fly in the ointment and the term sabbatical suggests that Cheveley Park weren't on board when Gosden would have put it to them to jock Dettori off.
Report impossible123 June 30, 2022 11:05 PM BST
If so, I think Dettori would have been told either by Mr Gosden or Cheveley Park. I think "sabbatical" was Mr Gosden's attempt at saving face after his immature and unprofessional public criticism of Dettori post Ascot. But, it still meant Dettori had been let go (or sacked).
Report impossible123 July 2, 2022 4:56 PM BST
Mr Gosden still unwilling to commit a jockey for Inspiral next week. Bloody heck it's only horseracing!
Report duffy July 5, 2022 2:08 PM BST
As expected Keeps the ride on Inspiral, with Emily Upjohn thrown in for good measure, perhaps, after the Eclipse, it's a case of better the devil you know.
Report A_T July 5, 2022 2:50 PM BST
would guess input from the owners
Report impossible123 July 5, 2022 11:49 PM BST
I think Gosden and Dettori need each other professionally. Is there any one better riding the Gosden's charges? An overwhelming no!
Report impossible123 July 6, 2022 7:35 PM BST
A walk-in-the-park on friday in the Falmouth Stakes.
Report penzance July 6, 2022 10:53 PM BST
It looks that way.
Thinking of backing Prosperous Voyage in the without Mkt.
That Ascot run was too bad to be true.I'm sure she's better
than that.
Report impossible123 July 8, 2022 9:49 PM BST
I hoped you backed Prosperous Voyage at 16/1. She won on merit after past by Inspiral.
Report penzance July 10, 2022 6:34 PM BST
She did that well,no I never backed her.
With Teneberism winning today that's 3 different
horses to come out of the 1000G and win GP1s.
Report impossible123 July 10, 2022 7:04 PM BST
Given what Inspiral is prone to and her handlers not on top of her predicament I'd back Homeless Songs on softish going any where and any day; Tenebrism deserves to win in France however, I'd not back her over 8f. The Jean Prat proves the French fillies are carp this year.

I hope to see Homeless Songs, Inspiral and Prosperous Voyage in the Matron Stakes on 10th Sept.
Report impossible123 July 14, 2022 11:01 AM BST
AOB's chickened out with Tuesday. A walk-in-the-park for Emily Upjohn in the Irish Oaks or will the Gosdens achieve a "double whammy" and do another Inspiral?
Report brandyontherocks July 14, 2022 8:14 PM BST
Chickened out !!!!!?????
Report impossible123 July 14, 2022 9:40 PM BST
Tuesday will probably get a drubbing from Emily Upjohn, if turning up. I think Emily Upjohn will give Westover a run in the King George, if she misses the Irish Oaks for whatever reason.
Report impossible123 July 15, 2022 6:15 PM BST
AOB must have been cursing like mad - he withdrew Tuesday at the final dec - given Emily Upjohn is unable to make The Curragh due to transport issue afterall.

I hope Magical Lagoon wins for Mrs Harrington.
Report impossible123 August 9, 2022 3:56 PM BST
Inspiral is ducking Homeless Songs in the Matron Stakes. The former is heading for the Jacques le Marois instead. I hope Inspiral and Homeless Songs will meet at the Champions meeting in Newmarket in October.
Report penzance August 9, 2022 4:40 PM BST
She's ducking nothing,she'll be taking on the colts
in France.
Report impossible123 August 9, 2022 5:07 PM BST
What distinguished colts? Baaeed? I'd have thought the Matron Stakes against her main adversary ie Homeless Songs. Allowance plays a major part, I guess.
Report A_T August 9, 2022 5:16 PM BST
Coroebus and Native Trail are still in the Jacques le Marois - although Appleby was talking about 10f again for the latter
Report A_T August 10, 2022 11:11 AM BST
Inspiral, Coroebus and Native Trail still in this morning plus State of Rest - Tenebrism taken out
Report A_T August 11, 2022 11:28 AM BST
Native Trail taken out
Report Figgis August 13, 2022 8:54 PM BST
Do Inspiral fans think she's a good bet tomorrow?
Report FOYLESWAR August 13, 2022 9:13 PM BST
not a fan at 2/1 2 i like at decent prices are the unbeaten erevan at 25s b365 bog lightly raced and won a group 3 last  time a good bit to find but unexposed and who knows how good he is at the price worth an each way pop imo.also order of australia looks too big at 25s not a lot to find on the ratings and said to be unsuited by track last time capable of a big run.
Report A_T August 14, 2022 7:54 AM BST
Do Inspiral fans think she's a good bet tomorrow?

Not me - IMO she ran very fast times at Ascot which took it's toll if the Falmouth was anything to go by. I'm surprised they are running her again relatively soon - I'd have waited longer.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 11:49 AM BST
I read in the Post that she bounced because of the Ragozin bounce theory, but what the writer failed to grasp was that Ragozin was specifically talking about fast time performances (speed figures), not collateral form ratings as he puts forward. At Ascot Inspiral didn't put up a faster performance than she had as a 2yo. I actually have her running 3lbs slower, when, given that it was a very well run race, you'd expect a filly that had fully trained on to run a few pounds faster. Even Topspeed has her doing nothing better than she had as a 2yo.
Report A_T August 14, 2022 1:24 PM BST
whether it was overall faster than her 2yo performances is not really relevant. The issue is did she have a hard race after a very long time off the course and I think she did. She might be done for the year. Cue her bolting up today! Grin
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 1:29 PM BST
I can't see what was hard about that race, but no doubt we'll hear it as an excuse again if she's beaten today.
Report A_T August 14, 2022 1:37 PM BST
Figgis I know where this is going you're of the opinion the Falmouth Stakes is as good as she gets aren't you? Grin
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 1:58 PM BST
A_T, I know her best form is a bit better than Prosperous Voyage has ever shown so she obviously didn't show her best at Newmarket. I can't say I was totally surprised as, even though most people seemed to think she put up an astonishing performance at Ascot, it bothered me that, considering how the race was run and she wasn't exactly winning on the bridle, she couldn't even match her best 2yo figure. There's no doubt in my mind the race fell apart around her. The annoying thing is that the Falmouth cut up and even though I laid her it was for peanuts, whereas I was hoping to take a strong stance against her. Look, she's still only had two runs this season and a mere six runs her entire career. Form doesn't stand still and it's entirely possible she could take another leap forward. I just believe that on what she's achieved so far the Ascot win made her look better than she really is.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 2:22 PM BST
The same Post article says that only a length covered the SJP first five so it's poor Gp1 form. It's true that given a strongly run Gp1 to see a blanket finish nearly always means poor form for the grade. However, this wasn't strongly run. The fact that they finished so close was a consequence of the pace of the race and not necessarily a negative about the winner. Many people thought that Maljoom should've won but I don't agree. For me, Coroebus wasn't able to put more distance between himself and the rest because the lack of pace allowed the others to comfortably keep in touch.

Of course I could be wrong, and when making an excuse for a horse on the way a race was run, even a valid excuse, there's always the possibility that the horse has just regressed and wouldn't have fared any better no matter the pace. There's also the minor setback to take into account. All that considered, I still think Coroebus is a standout in this company, an odds on chance, so I've backed him.
Report .Marksman. August 14, 2022 2:31 PM BST
I'll wait to see what they look like when parading, but if Inspiral is fav or jt fav I'm inclining towards a lay.  Her topseed ratings are nothing special for a horse in an all aged (males & females) Group 1.  Agree with Figgis that Coroebus could be really good based on his 2000 Gns win.  The Guineas was built up as above average before hand and the right horses filled the places.
Report .Marksman. August 14, 2022 2:54 PM BST
Inspiral looked a bit on edge,  laid her.
Report .Marksman. August 14, 2022 2:59 PM BST
Looked bad for me as soon as Coroebus  was slowly away.Sad
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:02 PM BST
Hands up, she beat all the colts today and did it well enough. Can't knock that. Coroebus ran a shocker but I was quite confident about him beforehand so no excuse for my poor selection. Well done any Inspiral backers, just surprised there weren't more posters in support for her on here.
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:04 PM BST
We let you do all the talking.
Report A_T August 14, 2022 3:05 PM BST
Good win from Inspiral - think she had a bit in hand.  The setback that led to Coroebus missing Goodwoid can't have helped but he looks to me like the kind of Guineas winner who hasn't progressed and may even have regressed.
Report FOYLESWAR August 14, 2022 3:05 PM BST
a few negatives for her at the price she did it well thought i had a chance near finish not too be happy with some place money back.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:06 PM BST
TMB aftertimer par excellence, no sign of him after the Falmouth Wink
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:08 PM BST
You can see on the Coronation thread what I thought of her.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:09 PM BST
Yes, as I said, always there after the event Wink
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:16 PM BST
Take a look at the 1000g thread if you want to go back further. Well done for putting one up anyway,very unlike youWink.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:19 PM BST
Don't tell me you missed my Derby bet? Shame, as you said you were going to lay it and I was rather hoping it was your cash I pocketed Wink
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:19 PM BST
Your favourite horse running next week. Nice juicy bet on Native Trail is it?
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:21 PM BST
Well done on your Derby winner 5/4 poke. I forgot to congratulate you.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:22 PM BST
TMB, how about you actually put up a selection for York? Or any other race for that matter? Preferably before the race starts. It's funny how you're nowhere to be found on threads but then within seconds of the race being over you're onto them like a shot. Absolute weirdo Wink
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:28 PM BST
Well I will be going all 4 days so if you are lucky I might just help you out.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:35 PM BST
Don't bother, I know the script, you'll be backing anything of AOB's that moves, but we can only expect to hear about them if they oblige Wink
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:37 PM BST
OK.If you are struggling next week and want a tip do not hesitate to post. It's not a weakness you know.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:40 PM BST
Thanks. I always think people who scurry about aftertiming posts are the best tipsters.
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 3:41 PM BST
Unlike yourself I have at least proven it on here.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 3:44 PM BST
Absolutely. Everyone knows your reputation on here.
Report penzance August 14, 2022 4:17 PM BST
Bounced back today.Excellent performance.
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 7:42 PM BST
GEORGE.B12 Sep 15 17:49Joined: 14 Jul 04 | Topic/replies: 53,503 | Blogger: GEORGE.B's blog
Final result

    Finalists           Selection 1           Selection 2           Selection 3           Reserve           P/L so far   
    Try My Best           2.35 Steps 100p           3.45 Bondi Beach 100w           4.20 Captain Morley 100w                       742   
    xmoneyx           3.45 Storm The Stars 70w 30p            4.20 Igider 70w 30p           4.55 Peril 50ew                      -300   
    Kentish Man           3.10 Safety Check 50ew           3.45 Storm The Stars 80w 20p    5.30 Montsarrat 80w 20p           -300   
    TheNorfolkMafia           3.10 Safety Check 50ew           3.45 Storm The Stars 50ew       5.30 Midhmaar 50ew           -300   
    mackies-fc           2.35 George Dryden 100w           4.55 Ayaar 100w           3.10 Cable Bay 50ew                      -300   
    therobster27           2.35 Lucky Beggar 50ew           4.55 Azraff 50ew           5.30 Montsarrat 100w                      -300   
    chavman                   2.35Asphan Sam 100w           4.20 Igider 100w           5.30 Midhmaar 100w                      -300   
    bannahan                   2.35 Barnet Fair 20w 80p           3.10 Safety Check 100w  3.45 Fields Of Ath' 100w                      -300   
    layingisthewayforward   2.35 Suzi's Conn 100w           3.10 Safety Check 100w  3.45 Simple Verse 100w  -300   
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zipper12 Sep 15 17:50Joined: 06 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 26,198 | Blogger: zipper's blog
VERY WELL  done TRY  MY BEST    128 runners  you beat em all.

Ever done that numbnuts. 127 of the best brains on here who know their horses and who I have a lot of respect for. I can see why you didn't enter.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 7:46 PM BST
Ah yes, the much mentioned tipping competition you won all of 7 years ago and are still cracking one off about.
Report Try My Best August 14, 2022 7:55 PM BST
1 competition entered and 1 competition won. Doesn't make me the best by a long chalk but at least I can demonstrate a degree of competency and credibility. That's the difference between us.
Report Figgis August 14, 2022 7:57 PM BST
Hopefully that's not the only difference.
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