I agree sageform.
Being balloted out is the only contingency for voiding ante post.

Grey area for me this, the horse is an intended runner but is being prevented from running by reasons completely out of connections hands. This particular nuance isn't covered in the rules. On balance I think all bets on it should be void.

Loads of examples of roads closed, snow, ferries cancelled due to high winds, infectious disease of horses. You will want ante post refunded if the horse loses a shoe on the way to the post next. Don't forget that by rewarding the loser you are robbing the layer. Betfair are not going to pay.

Agree Duffy.

Some hard noses on here imo.

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I do not think it's rewarding anyone, it's about being fair as the non-participation is outside the control of connection of the horse. It's solely Covid induced, not weather or logistic. Thus, I think it's only equitable if bets are voided for the horse concerned.

I think that Cyrname will have to win it on the bridal, I just think he gives you all he's got with his easy run style through the race, he's a quick horse, in fact I'd like him to run in the Queen Mum and let him loose from the front.

I don't think he'll find much if brought under the cosh and doubt he's a thorough stayer. He was absolutely mullered by CDO in this last year and for any other horse you'd say he just did not stay the trip well enough against a top class rival but he's been given a free pass because of this theory that every man and his dog has signed up to that the Ascot race was a horse breaker.

I don't really buy that, Nicholl's had the horse hard fit and had another 5 weeks before the KG, surely a top class horse shouldn't leave his whole season behind from a single hard race, doesn't that happen all the time and aren't those at the top of the tree best equipped to deal with it?

He ran perfectly well in the KG last year and his jumping improved the further the race progressed he just ran out of petrol at the business end.

I also don't like the Wetherby race and how it looked and what it suggested to me about how connections think and perhaps their concerns. The horse cruised through the race and turning into the straight was going miles best, well...Send him on, put the rivals to the sword, let him open up and let's see him get home strongly. We didn't get that though, it looked for all money that they were at pains to nurse him home expending as little energy as possible and protecting him, it was as if they were a little worried what they might find out and they want to keep the dream alive to the KG, ultimately they beat a stone inferior rival a couple of lengths allbeit easily.

Nicholl's is desperate for Cyrname to win this, he'll think that this maybe the one that is out of the real top drawer and it's been a long time since Kauto, Denman and MM,  just don't think he'll get home.

You make a good case duffy.  I suppose people see the top class consistency of Cyrname and Altior interrupted after the Ascot race - some take the view that the King George and subsequent Ascot run were aberrations in an otherwise pretty flawless record- the otjer minor blip perhaps caused by too short a gap between races in spring 2018, and Altior notable to get back to the racecourse that season.

The theory may be off the mark, but it is easy to see how you come to that conclusion.

It maybe true that he basically needs to win on the bridle. If so, the ride at Wetherby may have been quite canny if he is a horse who puts it all in anyway, they may not want to be letting him bottom himself if he doesn't need to.

If the handicapper is right he may be able to win on the bridle. Who knows.  Certainly that home straight always seems longer in the King George than in any other race all year so he will need to genuinely stay. But based on the evidence of last uear and Wetherby, I am not ready to say I think he won't stay. 

Clqn Des Obeaux will stay, and it will take a top class performance to beat him in all likelihood.  I am really looking forward to it.

Personally think the winner will come
from Clan Des Obeax or Lostintranslation.
CDO's record in the race goes without saying.
I still believe Lostintranslation is a top
class staying chaser and if the Tizzards can
get him back to the Haydock and Gold Cup form
from last year,providing the going doesn't turn
too testing he's the winner for me.
Let's hope all runners stand up and there's no
excuses.Cracker in prospect.
   GL ALL

Fingers crossed we aren't all locked down and we actually get the race, this is all going the wrong way now ...and quickly, we will all be in a hard lock down within the week...all sport will go......just a toss up whether Boxing day sport survives.

Doubts over all of them, even CDO? I think CDO is a good thing.

I would fancy Clan big time had he not had a hard race last time.

When did these top class chasers become so fragile that one hard race was a season finisher ....how on earth did Kauto Star win the million pound bonus.

CDO will be spot on as he has been for the last 2 years , he like One Man , Pendil , Wayward Lad and others is the ideal horse for this race not the Gold Cup ....win number 3 on it's way .....and to think somebody decided to ride another horse instead of him.

Season finisher? Just simply saying he had a hard race last time.

You and others fancy him, fair enough. He might be spot on, i aint so sure.

I hope he wins having a couple of doubles from earlier in the season to win and ABP and Santini to win Gold Cup.

Last year he had an extra couple of weeks before Kempton.
Year before he ran on much better ground at Haydock than he did this year.

I aint saying he wont win, just that their are doubts.

For me this has always been the race I look forward to more than the Gold Cup ....too often won by average beasts with endless stamina Lord Windermere , Cool Ground , Cool Dawn , Synchronised

Was pleasantly surprised to see that Unibet had voided my bet at 20/1 on Monalee, especially as I had laid it off on here at 10/1. Free money is always nice - sorry to piss on your chips Harry you loser.

Some beautiful aftertiming repeat offending going on here again with you’re monalee lay punkle, no doubt you’ll be on after the race about laying off you’re clan des obeux bet...lovely stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9FCw9fhpj8

The dynamic of this race has totally changed in regards a betting medium here...we have gone from cyrname, clan, lost, real steel and Frodon which was easy for me to fathom personally, to an ultra competitive betting heat imo with many with many with chances for different reasons, with lurkers now in waiting, black op, saint calvados and santini...much to ponder happy Christmas it isn’t going to be easy...I’m already nailed and not an arber but the race stinks now from a betting point of view...not sure we will get the soft predicted, we will see I suppose hope not...I’m against clan and santini myself but can see why people would want to back them in an open betting heat now

Kempton looks like soft side of good today and much softer tomorrow if the storm arrives on time. Chepstow will be very testing. So the big day has arrived at last. I am going for Cyrname to win and Saint Calvados a place.