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2020 king george chase kempton .
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was he, you must've watched a different race to me.
Ran well to his stamina gave out,that's my view. |
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He hardly ran like a drain in the KG. Just got headed between the final two fences by a horse who is absolutely mustard around there.
The track is a bigger issue than the trip for me but his price is tempting. I actually hope he gets stuffed as I have a massive position on CDO for the KG.  |
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Imo he did run badly in the george he almost refused to jump off then imo didn't want to go out on the second circuit. Anyway I could be wrong and have been wrong many times but we are getting a fair price to find out ut tomorrow whether he is gone at the game
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I firmly believe contrarian views ought to be encouraged here. However, a few are too sensitive and insecure to appreciate the value of free speech. As such, I think it's best to put these sensitive souls on 'ignore'.
Cyrname is running at Wetherby because it's not a handicap unlike the race at Ascot - the distance is the same. I do not think he stayed 3m either given the drubbing he received from CDO in the King George. |
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Cyrname should eat this lot.
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well done harry ya got it right fair play enjoy ya winnings
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Simples.
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Harry
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Betfair SP 4.3.
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WP Harry / Feltfair
That makes it more interesting for the KG,lovely performance from Cyrname. |
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Was a nice performance, nothing more. He only won as his rating suggested. Had 15lb in hand of Vinndication.
People getting a bit carried away because of all the doubts about track and trip. Fully expect Lostintranslation to win the Betfair impressively (though like Imperial Commander he won’t be competitive at Kempton), and so like last year CDO may drift out to a e/w bet to nothing price. |
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Doubtful any horse in the Charlie Hall would start under 16/1 for the KG, Cyrname only did what imo was expected, a far superior horse to all today. Jury still out, even to future targets.
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Cheers..nice the horse could get back on track, fingers crossed they can get a clean run at it with him after today’s confidence booster...he is a top class chaser who can only get better and even if he can get back to his waiting patiently form, he will be a formidable opponent to all this season...next time will tell us more but expect a big performance imo
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Indeed. Cyrname was rated head and shoulders above the rest. The only surprise was it was over a left-handed track; jtfav with CDO here is a joke though given the horses he beat today, and the way he was beaten here last season.
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there are reasons for his defeat in the king george and ascot namely being hard trained for the altior clash ,his earlier form is there for all to see ,dangerous to write one off and although i have not backed him for the king george i have the greatest respect for him as he showed yesterday is no back number .
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I fully understand Cyrname beat Waiting Patiently convincingly. However, there were genuine reasons for the below par performance of the latter for instance, trying a new season, trying different trips and well-being. But, I cannot have Cyrname for this at the present price; Charlie Hall proved it'd be rewarding to go against "professional" pundits and presenters if they were against a hotpot on "value" and nature of course disregarding overwhelming superior rating.
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On those terms Saturday,Cyrname did what all the top
stayers would have done,if he stayed 3M.He did,I didn't think he would.We'll see how he gets on against proper top class horses in the King George.Hope he runs and is at his best,no excuses this time. |
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Listening to Paul Nichols Sam twist on on clan des obeaux in king george
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Comparing horses usually disregards the variation in their well being from race to race. I would suggest that Cyrname and Clan des Obeaux are quite similar in ability but which one would win could vary from month to month and only the yard would know which one was on song on a particular day.
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real steel runs tommoz ascot 2,5 mile chase .
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That was a really good run from clan des obeaux I have to say I’ve never really liked him but that was a career best imo and he will be a formidable horse in the George if backing up from this big effort
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well done on the winner harry !
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Today could have left a big mark on both horses 1st and 2nd. When Nichols wakes up tomorrow will he be thinking was that a good idea ?
If I owned Cyrname I’d be very happy watching that race with my horse safely in the stable. |
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Cheers foyles much appreciated
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Agree Hibore, Cyrname would have loved watching that!!
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And dont worry about Nicholls, he will love all the pats on the back if Cyrname wins.
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Will 'Lost' show? He clearly was a spent force 3 out; 10/1 is tempting - astute or sucker?
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CDO travelled superbly ,few horses would get close to BDM on that ground at Haydock.
Hard to believe the hype yet again on Cyrname . He beat a very good horse in Vindication , but a dour stayer . CDO thrashed him last year and has hacked up twice at Kempton. Just like BDM at Haydock , this is his race. After the 26th and his 3rd win , I think we will finally stop hearing the over the top hype on his inferior stablemate. |
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Well I think the word hype is used poorly in some cases and especially cyrname...I think the hype in his case, is warranted, you don’t do to those grade 1 horses what he did at ascot unless you are exceptionaly fast chaser...people will argue Altior didn’t stay I’d argue he did stay he was just outclassed on the day. I’d also argue that that big effort killed cyrname and he ran like a recalcitrant pig in the king George nothing to do with hype him not staying or any of the other junk written about the horse...
I didn’t read to much into wetherby myself as it was a mere confidence booster against inferior horses and to the handicap figure he will be running in the king George imo...I just hope Harry Cobden cuts him loose on the front unlike how he rode him the other day which was just to rebuild his confidence...then all this staying nonsense will be put to bed, his class will see him through against the horses he faces here...I make him 8/11 for the George just on ability and am expecting the 181 he produced at ascot if Paul Nichols gets him right which he will and we will all be in for a Boxing Day treat, he just maybe capable of a 183 at the trip, he’s an exceptional horse...I do hope you’ll be back on like all the others were after wetherby  happy Christmas |
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I can see both sides of the argument..he is overhyped on what he has achieved ..the facts are that his career stats are 20 runs, Won 8, Lost 12..just ONE grade 1 win. That doesn't mean he can't justify the hype...obviously he's a very good horse but the King George is definitely D-Day. Cantering round Wetherby and a King George are not the same so he still has to prove he stays as you need to stayer to win. If he does really stay then he will probably p1ss up like Harry says. I was more in the Clan des Obeaux camp but 50/50 now after the hard race he had the other day
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Bar one or two of the "professional" tipsters (bookies parasites)/presenters were against Cyrname despite his overwhelming head and shoulders rating over the rest of his competitors at Wetherby. Post his win, the same stooges are behind him - "professional" independence or fickle-mindedness?
Kempton is to CDO is what Haydock is to BDM; horses for courses. The presence of Cyrname will ensure CDO does not go off too short. |
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I thought Cyrname won it well enough but I don't trust him, I would have actually preferred to see him come under pressure and then win. You can't punish a horse for being too good of course but I wonder what will happen if something hangs with him and then drags him into the deep water.
No matter how good a horse is they all come under some sort of pressure at some point and I think the King George run from him is something we will see again once he is pressured and has to dig to find something. If he is good enough to win the KG on the bridal then fair play but I reckon he'll fall into a hole again if he has to get serious. |
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Still, Nicholl's went some way to scuppering his main rivals hopes for the KG at the week end just gone
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You’ve Pretty much got all bases covered then Duffy
 ...by you’re comments you can only be right in some way shape or form So if he wins on the bridle you’re right, if clan des obeaux blows out you’ll be right even though imo he isn’t that good and if someone else runs a race and he gets beat you’ll also be right...marvellous What about him being to just good for these horses? How about that one? Monalee has as good a chance as clan des obeax in my book |
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harry,
I've sort of covered that too If he is good enough to win the KG on the bridal then fair play I don't like Monalee from a winning point of view, although he always runs a race, well apart from last time, he doesn't ever win does he but he will always throw in that type of GC performance to keep people hooked onto him. |
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Lostintranslation did not run up to his potential at Haydock, and connections reckoned it could be the ground. I think fitness could be the other. As for Monalee, even now I do not see him a genuine Gp 1 3m horse hence he's not one for me. Also, he's too exposed.
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What price would you accept if offered a Nicholls trained winner market? Evens seems about right to me.
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I think the race will cut up. Any further doubt about 'Lost' 6/4 each of the Nicholls' charge; 1/2 either, I'd think. But, I'd go with CDO and 'Lost' if he's on song. I'm no fan of Cyrname.
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Now that Cyrname has ran well over 3m,plus right handed,and CDO just had a hard race, and not a great deal of other top opposition by the looks of it,to me its all falling into place for Cyrname.
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Agreed Buddeliea. Provided it is not the sort of heavy that Kempton can be on occasions.
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