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10 declared, 7 obrien {6 aiden , 1 joseph} , so sad to see what racing is these days, hopefully madhmoon will spoil the party
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What is the point of sending the Epsom over-rans without expenses paid? Those finishing outside 1st 6 eg Humanitarian (thrashed in his latest run by Japan) would have no chance at all, all things being equal.
It is what it is, and let's hope Madhmoon can serve it up to the Coolmore mob to prevent a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for AOB; the pace could be searching to draw the sting out of Madhmoon, no doubt. |
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shocking state of uk racing and our young trainers
 , shame sottsass not here, oh for generous,troy, shergar ,sharastanhi, salsabil, old vic days |
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Also, the Irish Derby is usually not on the agenda of the Epsom victors unless it is Coolmore or Irish trained eg Golden Horn and (Masar), both opted for the Eclipse instead. Conversely, Harzand, Australia and Sinndar - all Irish trained - turned-up and won. No chance of the French winner turning up either given the Grand Prix de Paris and Arc their main objectives, if memory serves.
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Still cant believe Madhmoon or Dragonet didn't win at Epsom. Counting my chickens with a furlong to go. Late rattle of Van Dyck cost me dearly. If Madhmoon stays on a little better, can turn the tables with the 11/8 fav looking rather short to me. He might just go the same way as Phoenix
Madhmoon, unsually, well off the rails in the Derby and with a better course, thought worth a stab at 3/1 anyway |
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dont fancy madhmoon at all to be honest, id like him to win but ill be laying him
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AVD (and Broome) ran further than most including Madhmoon so more likely to uphold the form, all things being equal; AOB will ensure the pace is strong (for the benefit of Madhmoon and Broome) - the going is good to yielding (whatever that may mean) with little precipitation forecast. Another benefit race for Coolmore, I expect.
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the french winner used to come for the irish derby every year early 90s, suave dancer, dream well ,montjeu,hernando to name a few, but yes since the french is 10 furlongs its not so appealing,
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Madhmoon clipped in again
5/2 best now |
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A better forecast return for the O'Brien pair then. And, I might do a Broome vs Madhmoon bet on the day if the price is right.
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Broome this time.
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Van Dyck wins by further ,on the bridle.
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I'd go with Broome if the ground was soft; good to yielding at the present time.
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Think it will be good going with no rain forecast Friday and a high of 25 degrees
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woodmanchester
26 Jun 19 14:16 Joined: 25 Aug 11 | Topic/replies: 28,213 | Blogger: woodmanchester's blog Madhmoon clipped in again 5/2 best now thx woodman |
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how many runners likely for this ? going by the betting on here around 5 3 from ballydoyle .
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sorry 4 from aob
ffs someone have the balls to take him on other than hamdan ! |
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its destroying my enjoyment of group 1 races foyles , i was just watching an eclipse now on you tube when mtoto beat ref point, triptych, milligram bellotto, we dont get standards like this anymore.
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yes ej they are handing it to ballydoyle ona plate , looks like they are gonna sacrifice sovreing and norway and make this a really true test ,could see them getting the 123 here if only 5 runners .
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surely there has to be a blame here on uk trainers, we cant rely on stoute/ gosden all the time to provide opposition, (what the hell are our young trainers doing, the baldings, varians, beckets, simcocks,hannon ,and yes godolphin come on step up}, vincent obrien had the best horses , but races then were competitive, but now its bloody ridicilous.
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ps worse thing is these coolmore horses would only be group 2 standard if that in the 70s/ 2000s, , hermosa, magna grecia, capri, kew gardens, wings of eagle, avdyke, latrobe
 ,treasure beach, cirrus maximus, seventh heaven to name a few. |
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8 declared, 5 coolmore , plus madhmoon, rakan and guaranteed. 365 go avd 5/4, madhmoon5/2, broome 11/4, 20/1 bar
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A good betting opportunity present if one does not fancy the fav. And, I firmly believe Coolmore will ensure a truly run race in play as it will stretch the stamina of Madhmoon to breaking point, and play into the hand of Broome, the horse that finished best at Epsom. But, the most likely winner is AVD, I think; forecast with Broome.
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suspended why?
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no, its now under day of the race market
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Magnier insisted on having 5 runners to ensure place betting of 1st, 2nd and 3rd hence the inclusion of Il Paradiso; bookie's at heart.
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yeah thanks elis j
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yes bungle...
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brief write up ............welds rakan progrssive held in high regard strong at finish last time lightly raced and 20/1 gotta find a fair bit but could do has avoided the rigours of epsom and may be a bit fresher than some .
rakan win 20/1 .............win and place ktcyfa |
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might even have some on the 3 places market if the odds are favorable .^^^
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well that's why magnier has entered il paradsio Foyles, so he can get on.
bungle...wac |
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I'd 'lay' Madhmoon for 2 places, similarly Wild Illusion.
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No match betting between AVD or Broome vs Madhmooon; Madhmoon is 1.93 for 2 places,...1.8 anyone?
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I think it is more open than the betting suggests .
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Now I've got to say something...firstly my bet was Il Paradisio ew, on the basis of time between races, came nowhere...bet lost...fair enough. But how corrupt was that race? If sovereign was a genuine winner, and he looked it, then that's your arc winner. If, as I think that cool more manipulated that race and turned it into a Shergar cup race then that's disrepute.
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My guess is the race wasn't straight....another group 1 winner in the barn?.stud fees.
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We saw all this a few years ago with Australia, when it as patently obvious that the better horse Adelaide was sacriftriced for him....naming purposes
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Best horse on the day won, nothing sinister to see here.
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only you
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It would be unwise to disregard the form completely .Sovereign was beaten about 4 lengths by Japan and Mount Everest last year . Plenty of us backed those to win at Epsom .
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