Cheers uncle. If he does race again there might be some more value to be had in opposing him, as excuses will be made for today.

another hype bubble burst wasn't it supposed to be the fastest they'd ever had not much evidence of that speed in the final furlong

i have to apologize for my write up on the race, when mentioning that the older horses had the edge, it was an oversight, for not
realizing that they had to give weight away to the older horses, so use to seeing horses with different ratings in group races running off level weights

mistake, give weight away to the younger horses.

The Tin Man looked all at sea on the track/going combo,hated it.

I thought Brando was the eye catcher,ran a mighty race from off the pace (wd dunlaying at 33s) and proved the burst blood vessel York run to be a blip.Brando has the Prix Maurice de Gheest pencilled in.

Ta Brigust. I wasn't sure how Harry Angel would come out of his last race. There's no doubt that Tasleet and The Tin Man ran below form but that can't be blamed on the pace. Horses running to form don't get beat 5 lengths+ because of a sprint finish. Both horses were going backwards at the end of the race. They both were just below par on the day. Possibly the Ascot race took plenty out of them but maybe they can bounce back next time.

But good horses should not be slowing down more than inferior horses after going a slow pace early, so there's no possible excuse on that score for those two runners yesterday. I could've backed Harry Angel but if he'd ran below par I wouldn't have been surprised. Neither would I have been surprised if Limato or most of the runners I mentioned in my earlier post had won. If one or two fancied runners are off their game it opens the whole race up. I would've needed to back a few runners to be confident of a return then have to work out how to divide my stakes and would be second guessing myself if I'd got it right. That works for some people but in these instances I'd rather take the less brave option of laying the fav.

In fact everything, except the favourite, was a great price as it turned out.

Which was kind of how I saw things before the race and the reason I laid him. I'd oppose him again next time whatever the likely pace if he's short again.

I think I would do the same again, financially. Nothing I saw yesterday will change my mind. I hope they all go to Haydock and the ground is the same. PB set up a shocker, considering the way RM rode Caravaggio, and I don't think he will be riding an important pacemaker anytime soon. His team mate beat him a neck which is around 6 lengths wrong on form so that cannot be ignored. Not by me anyway. The other three finished as I would have expected with Limato beating The Tin Man and Tasleet in that order but I think they were all inconvenienced by the slow early pace. Let's hope they bring it on again.
If you list the race without the older horses with Harry's Angel beating Caravaggio by a length and three quarters with Intelligence Cross a neck away in third you will know immediately that just is not right.

https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/features/sectionals/sectional-timing-debrief-newmarket-july-festival-1672017

Another take on the race is this sectional analysis. The conclusion is that only Brando's finishing effort could be rated enough to possibly overturn the form with the winner. I agree that Brando had to be the most inconvenienced by the slow pace considering the ride he was given. As is pointed out in the article though the question is could Brando have finished as well off a true Gp1 pace? I rated his Ayr Gold Cup win time equal to a Gp2 performance considering the weight carried. He wouldn't need to improve much to become a Gp1 horse this year. On this run I can't say if he's improved or still the same as last year, will probably find out next time.

Brigust, what was your take on Caravaggio in the paddock compared to previously? Not just the sweating.

I know it pains me to have to say this but stepping Caravaggio up to 7 furlongs must bring AOB's continued speed claims about him into question.

no 7F G1s have any prestige and will not enhance his rep. also he did not look to be running on in the July Cup. he's probably stagnated now and further runs will only see more defeats.

I'm perplexed by connections of Caravaggio's next intended target for him could be the Maurice de Gheest over 6.5f on 6th Aug and/or the Everest, the $AUS10m Sprint race on 14th Oct; it could also be the Nunthorpe over 5f on 25th Aug but no Sprint Cup at Haydock where a rematch against his conqueror Harry Angel, Limato and very probably The Tin Man and Tasleet too.

Why to Australia if Caravaggio is not even the undisputed sprint king in Europe? Principally for the money, I guess, even for Coolmore.

Imp the rematch would jeopardise the Everest because of the dates. It is good a top flight horse from here goes to Australia to take on their sprinters as a planned operation. Too often our horses go at the end of a busy season so there are excuses. This time we will get to see how good the Aussie best is against potentially our best. If he wins he will be off to stud but if he loses then the possibility of a rematch with Harry Angels could be a match to savour over the winter. There should be something in it for everyone.
Of course it is about money as you say, but I suggest the win money of the Everest will pale into insignificance when compared to the breeding money, if he wins.

To call any horse the undisputed champion is difficult because they all have specific requirements to achieve their best which I believe they all had in the July Cup. Sadly, in the end, it wasn't a test to find out who the best 6 furlong sprinter is. And AOB will know the July Cup and the unbeaten record were given away very, very cheaply but he is well used to making such errors of judgement throughout his career so he will know how to get over it.

that is so true, the diamond jubilee and the july cup are the only group 1 sprints that really count for the all aged group 1 sprints,
they are the races with prestige attached,what have I learned about the two best sprint races this year, is the massive difference in the tracks of ascot and Newmarket over the 6f. track knowledge is not something I have bothered to learn about. but is very useful regarding my fav group 1 races of the year, the sprints.

Imp the Haydock sprint wouldn't compare to the Everest as far as breeding is concerned. I hope if Caravaggio goes to Deauville that Limato goes as well. Would be the right trip and would fit in well with the Sprint Cup.

If the writing was on the wall ie no pace in the race, why did the jocks like Moore and Crowley (Tasleet) not employ Plan B eg be closer with the pace and/or upsides Harry Angel rather than suffered the expected consequence? If either/both had lost in the process - which they both did - at least the punters get a run for their money given the circumstances and not blamed the lack of pace after the race.

Looks like Henry is at least reading the script with regard to Limato nominating another potential meeting with Caravaggio in the de Geest. Hope the ground is OK because the trip will be.

wd figgis, caravaggios super fans cant believe just what hit them, sectional timing debrief was very informative, although didn't buy
the unlucky on the day angle, defintitley highlighted a surge in form for brando. well deserved winner.

it was a brilliant sectional write up, only thing I disagreed with was the unlucky on the day bit, wasn't having anyone explaining to me that harry angel didn't fully deserve his win that day. nice to see a surge in form like that rewarded, hes got a group 1 win now,
late developers these horses who get the sprint group 1's aged 5, like slade power he had to wait until 5 before he got his group 1 wins. made some money, I was just taking an interest in the race not financially, that extra 1/2 furlong today was the only unknown