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By:
blackbarn
When: 06 Apr 17 20:23
Graeme - Ghanaati is an interesting comparision, even though she ran twice at two. Won the 1k first time out, from the same barn too.
By:
Graeme83
When: 06 Apr 17 21:08
Both heading straight to guineas off the back of winning a class 4. 16/1 still there. Will need good ground. That's my only concern.
By:
impossible123
When: 07 Apr 17 19:13
Interesting trial at Leopardstown tomorrow with three of O'Brien's running eg Promise To Be True, Hydrangea and Rain Goddess running.
By:
impossible123
When: 08 Apr 17 16:41
The form of Rhododendron was boosted by the victory of Hydrangea; Promise To Be True was again outpaced (I think), and looked more of an Oaks filly. The extra furlong in this race will see an improvement in her, I hope.
By:
Graeme83
When: 08 Apr 17 19:08
Not sure what i learned there. Maybe have another ten bob on talaayeb.
By:
jamesp
When: 09 Apr 17 10:56
Talaayeb should come into her own over middle distances, but she surprised connections by the amount of speed she showed in her maiden win over 7f, so perhaps she'll have enough toe for the Guineas. She didn't handle the dip terribly well at Newmarket, but that might have been down to greenness. Whether she's good enough to win a Guineas is another matter...!
By:
Graeme83
When: 09 Apr 17 21:20
Thanks James. I'd have liked her to have a prep. Lack of one isn't great.
By:
jamesp
When: 10 Apr 17 15:14
Via Ravenna (trained by André Fabre) comfortably maintained her unbeaten record in the Prix Imprudence this afternoon. She is not entered for the 1000 Guineas and would need to be supplemented. She's a well-bred daughter of Raven's Pass and should be well suited by a step up to a mile. Awaiting news about future plans.

Stablemate Double Lady, beaten in last season's Gr.3 Oh So Sharp Stakes, finished last.
By:
jamesp
When: 10 Apr 17 15:16
The winning time for the Prix Imprudence was 2.77s slower than Al Wukair's winning time in the Prix Djebel, which suggests that the form doesn't amount to much (and/or that Al Wukair is very smart!)
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Apr 17 22:00
Wuheida seems weak here, takers at 100 or more for pittance only - nothing amiss, I hope.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 12 Apr 17 12:44
that's a shame if true as she was my fancy for the guineas and the oaks.

I do hope godawful haven't ballsed it up again.
By:
Madhu
When: 13 Apr 17 15:17
Well done impossible 123, you were on the case.
By:
impossible123
When: 19 Apr 17 19:38
Promise To Be True is progressively weak here (70). Would it not be ironic if Wuheida and Promise To Be True - 1st and 2nd in the Boussac last season - not make this race?
By:
unclepuncle
When: 23 Apr 17 09:09
Why would it be ironic - the Boussac in run in France so they are surely more likely to run in the French classics?
By:
unclepuncle
When: 23 Apr 17 09:15
Nothng much has come out of the trials and much like last year with Minding it would appear that if Rhododendron can bring her Fillies Mile form to the track she should win comfortably. I'm on at 7/1 and hopefully she will be short enough on the day (5/2 or less?) that I can lay off for a decent free bet.

My only other bets are on Fair Eva @ 25/1 (placed after her debut) and it's a surprise to see her second in the betting after dissapointing in her final two runs. I've laid off my stake at 10/1.

My only other bet is on Talaayeb @ 16/1, who just like EminentLove, really made an impression on me in her back end maiden win. Obviously has plenty to prove but the vibes and market have been pretty strong on her.
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 24 Apr 17 23:58
Fair Eva looks interesting on her best form, but will she reproduce it? Old-school punters like me will remember that the 1000 is usually won by a filly with proven 2yo form - one that goes into the winter rated 110+ officially. Rhododendron ticks that box and little else does, but she doesn't look convincing to me. I'll have a small punt on something with a bit more 'promise'. TALAAYEB didn't beat much on her only run to date, but she did it well, will stay and is the subject of good recent reports. I'll take a (small) chance @ 14/1. Good luck.
By:
sinfin
When: 26 Apr 17 13:39
looks like 29 left in at this stage
By:
blackbarn
When: 26 Apr 17 15:02
The 27(?) according to the Sporting Life includes Alrahma who sadly is no longer with us.
By:
sinfin
When: 26 Apr 17 16:13
well I thought that awhile ago I was surprised it remained in
By:
blackbarn
When: 26 Apr 17 17:41
Very embarrassing for whoever is responsible. This is a declaration stage too, so not just a simple left in in error is it?
By:
jamesp
When: 27 Apr 17 20:46
I can't find any reference to Alrahma having been put down. Sad, if true. Please provide a link.
By:
sinfin
When: 27 Apr 17 22:00
james somebody said on here awhile ago it cant b right then or surely it wud not still b on here
By:
blackbarn
When: 27 Apr 17 23:51
James - I can assure you that the information came from a very reliable source!.  You will note that the RP already has her as a non runner despite being declared.
By:
jamesp
When: 28 Apr 17 19:08
Yup. Just checked on the France Galop website: the entry states that she died last month.
By:
sinfin
When: 28 Apr 17 19:31
then it needs taking out the market
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 29 Apr 17 13:04
I think Hydrangea is the one underestimated by the market.

Ok has it to do to turn around the form with the favourite but she was the only one to give her a race in the fillies mile and Hydrangea will have race fitness on her side. She did well to win last time out given they came to her and the extra furlong has to be in her favour.

She's tough as old boots and anything beating her will know it's been in a race. Assuming she lines up can't have her outside the top three.

I think figgis has raised doubts about fair eva earlier in the thread and that could well be wrong of course but it's possible that she's something of a hype horse. James SP has also brought up doubts about her stamina.

Couldn't have the favourite at 5-2 given she doesn't have a huge amount in hand on her stablemate and we've seen in the guineas before, like with homecoming queen how the O'Brien second string can often come up trumps.

The owen burrows filly interesting of course but just that niggling doubt about her form being good enough. everything to race behind her in her maiden win has been beaten since.
By:
Charlton2005
When: 01 May 17 21:28
is Queen Kindly intended here?

thx
By:
penzance
When: 02 May 17 19:29
G Mosse jocked up for her m8.
By:
knavesmire007
When: 02 May 17 21:27
I'm with Hydrangea too.Was happy with the Urban Fox run in the Dubai Duty Free to give the Fillies Mile form a bit of a boost.
By:
sinfin
When: 02 May 17 21:55
its looking like both sea of grace and dabyah are france bound according to the odds on here
By:
Sultan
When: 05 May 17 16:07
Hydrangea very fairly priced at 14-1 . But Rhododendron beat it very easily last year and Hydrangea was on faster part of track. When without the fav prices available will probably be around 8-1 and looks to be a great bet to me.
By:
Addictedtowinning
When: 06 May 17 09:16
Going for Urban Fox each way - there are so many doubts about the market leaders and I can see her nicking a place - Nashwan in the pedigree so likely to have got stronger over the winter and not a bad run as a pipe opener.
By:
impossible123
When: 06 May 17 14:50
I think this will go to AOB but which one, Hydrangea or Rhododendron? Or could it be Winter who ran well last time out to be 2nd to Hydrangea?
By:
impossible123
When: 06 May 17 18:25
Because of the victories of Seventh Heaven and Churchill Rhododendron is only 6/4 to win this tomorrow.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 06 May 17 20:31
Even though I win most money if Rhodedendron wins I'd be much happier if Fair Eva or Talayeb win.

Besides if anything can stop the Coolmore juggernaut it's one of my antepost bets.Cry
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 06 May 17 22:57
Maybe I'm hoping here but have a feeling Obrien won't win this race. I mentioned Hydrangea earlier and she's quite tough but just none of his fillies really excite me.

Think Talaayeb under the radar but massive chance.
By:
FELTFAIR
When: 07 May 17 10:41
Never trusted fillies from two to three so only minor interest today. Backed Fair Eva last year and will trade some. Backed Rhododendrum win and Winter each way. Will also look at Fair Eva in the place market.
By:
sinfin
When: 07 May 17 10:51
plenty value elsewhere now this markets not right now rhodo may win but shes no 5/4 shot
By:
Graeme83
When: 07 May 17 12:38
May be an uncertain race, but the fav is ensuring decent prices in there. Can't see her going off so short.
By:
Figgis
When: 07 May 17 13:14
The worst quality field I can remember for a while. For me, the best form any of them achieved last year was Queen Kindly at York. She ran below par next time but that wasn't a total surprise after the hard race. She may come on for her first run of the season but there has to be a doubt about her staying this trip, also she may just turn out to have given her best as a 2yo. I said last year that Fair Eva's Ascot win had been overrated and that seemed to be proved true afterwards, nevertheless, against this moderate lot she'd have a decent chance as I'd expect her to stay the mile. Rhododendron's price seems to be based entirely on her Fillies Mile win but that was an odd race in my view as the rest either didn't perform or stay the mile at that stage of their career. The final time was rubbish. Her previous form puts her in the mix here but her price looks well too short so I've laid her.
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