I backed AFB so was glad to see him win, and while yes he was reasonably impressive, the time was decent and he'd have to be at the top of the pecking order for next year's Guineas, the current price is utterly ridiculous. He's just beaten the 20/1 shot Massaat by just over 3 lengths. We've seen horses go into the winter with better form than that and not capture the Guineas the following season but usually at better odds.

Although I agree to an extent, he hasnt JUST beaten a 20/1 shot, hes won 3 group ones and destroyed everything. I wouldnt get  too bogged down by the price of the 2nd, so what if its 20/1, means nothing.

*running a stinker

emotionless looked lame as cockoo to me

The 2yr olds look very poor,that short a price and hardly done a thing on the clock bar debut when he was value for the Coventry,if he can win a guineas just running to current standard then says very little for the rest.

Figgis ,he said it was the best 2yo he ever trained ,and so what it's there business to sell stallions . Plus it was joseph that said after the phoenix stakes that he hadn't sat on many many better ,and aidan said he didn't want to say anything because he keeps getting slated for it , because people ask him straight after the race whilst he still on a high and still excited .

Crabbing the form because of Massaat coming 2nd is very blnkererd imo.

I haven't crabbed the form per se, I've crabbed it in relation to his price. Australia's 2yo win against Free Eagle was at least as good and he was something like 6/1 after that, plus he still got beat.

Lingbleed, yes I understand that but 3 best in 3 years and it's becoming a bit of joke. Especially as this year's supposed best miler hasn't even been asked to face an older horse in his career, ground excuses or not.

Lingbleed, I've nothing against them as an outfit, I'm not Irish but British racing would also be a loser without them. Some might argue racing would be more competitive without them but I don't want to see a poorer standard of racehorse just for increased competition. It was also refreshing to see Tabor give such a confident pre-race interview, instead of the usual evasive waffle we hear before a race followed by the post race confidence afterwards. I just think this 'best ever' stuff is getting a bit much.

we all know that 5/4 is crazy but its 16s bar tell us whats value then ?

Emotionless has suffered an injury (chip prob) reported on atr this morn.
Did not think he was gd enough myself to beat Air Force Blue but he has not run any kind of race yest & at least we have some kind of reason for that below par effort.
Air Force Blue does look a very special 2yo in my book, in fact he has done in his last 3 races.
If all goes well with him till next yrs 2000gns he looks a gd thing.
Not an ante-p bet now @ 6/4 or shorter, but a very worthy short price fav imo.
Be interesting if they have a crack at the Gns with Shalaa??  as he is the next best 2yo colt, personally dont see him as a Gns colt myself, but if g/f ground next spring @ Newmarket it would be worth a shot, his dams side would suggest he should get further than 6f. Dont think Jonny G is thinking about the 2000gns for him & views him as an out&out sprinter, but horses can change over the winter (esp 2yos).
Yest runner-up looks a nice horse in the making after only 2 maiden runs before yest G1, but diff to see him getting the better of A F B.

Geoff m, I have a decent time rating for him, but nothing so far that suggests he could be in any way exceptional. On my figures he'd only need to improve about 5 or 6 pounds for an ordinary Guineas winner. Probably he will improve by that much but I don't subscribe to the view that such improvement is a foregone conclusion. Even if he does that would hardly make him an odds on chance. Kingman and Australia went into the 2014 Guineas with similarly strong form but not many of us saw Night Of Thunder coming.

As for the Guineas .. and the 6/4 .. it's probably a decent bet, it's not far wrong either way that's for sure.

In fairness I should say congrats to the likes of Milleracing who were so bullish about Air Force Blue before the race.

I must admit that I was slightly annoyed because I rather fancied air force blue for the coventry and had some pennies on him, he comes there to win the race with a huge turn of foot and gets worried out of it at the end. At the time I felt he was a much stronger prospect than Buratino, mostly because of his size and scope compared to the winner, and subsequent events have rather borne this out.

The main problem is I chose to ignore my concerns about the slowish sectionals that Emotionless posted at doncaster, and went with my gut reaction when watching the race live that this is a monster. It clearly wasn't and the clock doesn't lie, and in future I'll only be going in heavy on a horse if the clock backs up my visual reaction.

As for Air Force Blue winning the guineas, he does look miles clear at the moment, but at the same time tieing up your money until next may at 6-4 makes little appeal. There is still time for something to come out of the woodwork. There's also a very slight doubt on his pedigree about him getting a mile, even if on racing style it should pose no problem.I'm no pedigree expert but neither his sire nor dam raced beyond seven furlongs, of course he should get a mile but it's possible that others will improve more for it.

I think we're all fully aware of why O'Brien comes out with the hype. I'm not so sure if many breeders are actually so stupid to blindly accept it but don't really care if they are. I also don't expect it to get challenged by the sycophantic racing media. However as punters on here we can decide if there is any substance to these statements or if it is merely marketing prattle.

In my view their previous 'best horse', Australia, did nothing to suggest he was any better on the racecourse than Galileo. Their 'best miler' Gleneagles as yet hasn't achieved more than Rock Of Gibraltar or Henrythenavigator and timing is running out for him. Maybe the latest new improved version of the best horse can actually live up to the hype

Ryan Moore said he was the best 2yo he's ridden which is actually fair enough bearing in mind he's ridden mainly for Stoute

What is the best horse Aidan has ever trained iyo Figgis?

hawk wing 136

4 lbs better than dylan thomas 

I am not smart enough to have an opinion 

But my investments follow Buffett and my bets follow the ratings, so it's all worked out OK

In principle that makes perfect sense. The Lockinge could have been badly wrong, but the relatives between the placed horses even down to 6th /7th lined up exactly with prior form. And he didn't get away, he galloped away, IIRC it was raining at the time and that may have helped him. For the record i went in with sentimental money at ascot at 1/2 hoping he was going to be better than sea bird...we live and learn.

TBH I have no idea. I only really got into racing in 06 so I was just interested in your historical comparisons of Australia to Galileo and Rock Of Gibraltar to Gleneagles and if you've been doing the stats for AOB's whole flat career.

I can see why a lot of people are bored of the hype as we've heard it a lot recently.