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Would be a sad day for AP users if Bondi Beach is taken out today: what does it say about Coolmore and AOB ie Bondi has the best St Leger credentials of the AOB string eg unlucky 2nd to STS (possibly), acts well on the prevailing ground anticipated (good/fast, as stated by AOB himself), et? Maybe if the rumour about more 'trainers' for the Coolmore empire is true the better I'd say, at least then less chance of a 'worthy and fancied' runner taken out just because it is from the same stable.
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its weird because GC has almost no chance of turning round the form with STS where as Bondi would have a decent chance. I don't understand it myself either. The market still looks wrong, replacing one 16/1 (currently the price of bondi) with another in SV still leaves a massive under-round. I am assuming they will run 3 max rather than 4 although I could be wrong.
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Maybe not, only 8 has been declared eg Order of St George, STS, Bondi Beach, Fields of Athenry, Simple Verse, Medrano, Vengeur masque and Proposed according to Coral.
Those laying Bondi at 180 just prior to 'suspension' will not be happy I presume! |
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not sure what was going on this morning, was Bizarre
 anyway very close to getting the 7 runners I was expecting until the supplemented runner. Reading the AOB tea leaves proves as tricky as ever. |
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Tabor said Bondi would be their no1 horse in the Leger, and he's very rarely wrong.
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obv, the other 14f horse, Fields has changed ownership and they'll be keen for him to run - but as I said earlier, the one to watch is George because he's also entered at the Curragh where AO'B only really has Kingfisher.
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What do people make of the filly- not good enough?
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Rated 108 after her last win...the form (for me) is not good enough.....famous last words.
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Fields of Athenry is the one for me. It's a massive run in the Ebor under a fairly poor ride imo. Hopefully get a more experienced jock this time...
Almost tempted to take the 8s. Assume he'll run with the different owners. The Ladbrokes connection with the yard isn't a thing anymore is it? They're top price. |
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I don't know anything about the new owner, I doubt it'll be a big priority for O'Brien now it's outside of Coolmore. The Ladbrokes thing may be a negative but on the plus side PP are shortest at 11/2
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Order of St George now the weak one in the market, out to 4.0 on here, this looks the most likely non-runner, the fact that they sent across the other 2 to run at the Ebor meet I think is significant. Especially Bondi Beach in the Voltigeur, always a popular prep race for the Leger
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What do people make of Storm the stars last run?
Although I always had it mind that he was an ideal type for the St Leger, it must be a concern that A. he had a hard race and B. that he was veering across in the final furlong. That might be a sign that he was coming to the end of his tether stamina wise, a concern when he has to go two extra furlongs perhaps? |
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Storm The Stars will go off favourite at about 6/4 imo.
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I must admit looking at Fields of Athenry's run in the Ebor it didn't scream St leger winner to me.
Ok the jockey was clearly posing it a very hard task riding it that way but it must be a concern the way it was passed by several handicappers in the final couple of furlongs. Didn't scream a horse that would relish the test of a St Leger. Bondi Beach I'm starting to warm to. We know he will get every yard of the distance and seems like an out and out galloper with some toughness to boot. I'm just concerned with Storm the stars that he's had a tough season and that the extra distance will prove beyond him. Also not certain to get the trip on pedigree |
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I too have come to the same conclusion about STS: he's had a hard season and he was veering left towards the end in his last race (12f) and he's yet to go beyond 12f. On the other hand Bondi had OSG a short head behind in a 14f race in Ireland with Ryan Moore on board OSG; Hefferman, on board Bondi, lost his whip and Bondi was pushed put with hands and heels in the last furlong I believe.
With Bondi being their no1 horse (according to Tabor), the ground suiting Bondi more than OSG (good/fast anticipated at Doncaster) and Bondi beating OSG in Ireland, could OSG turn the table on Bondi without Ryan Moore on board or the ground in his favour, all things being equal? If not, should OSG be at a lesser price than Bondi and/or STS shorter than Bondi at the moment? |
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Yes Bondi Beach looks like the winner to me
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dont see aiden running both never did
bb if fast, geroge if gs or slower that seems unlikley now |
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George left in the Irish St. Leger also - there is some NRNB but the price is ridiculous
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I'm another one on Bondi Beach, although StS drifted left handed I don't see that as a problem at Doncaster with the rail to keep him straight, but I would definitely be concerned about the trip for StS whereas for Bondi it shouldn't be a problem
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If the Ebor was run off level weights Fields of Athenry would have received about a stone under WFA?? Massive run really. My concern is it would have taken a lot out of him..
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If the Ebor was run off level weights Fields of Athenry would have received about a stone under WFA?? Massive run really. My concern is it would have taken a lot out of him..
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Money coming in for Bondi Beach but OSG is extremely weak now - known 'faces' perhaps?
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Very much looking like an OOSG reroute to the Curragh, which is a double blow as I was on at 25 for Doncaster and have been smashing up Second Step for the Irish Leger.
There was a clue earlier in the week when O'Brien said Joseph would ride at Leopardstown but not to worry as he was sending Seamie and Colm to Doncaster. You what mate? There are three horses to ride but you're only sending two jockeys..... |
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Maybe APOB has fallen asleep on the couch.
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hills already taken goerge out of the betting
aidan says we always saw bb as a horse what wants fast ground, why run it in heavy ground FTO over 12F ?, must have thought he was a bit slow, guess its possible hes turned inside out since then but unlikley, cant have FOA at all but always loved the song wonder if STS is just different class, just worry hes had 8 races since may. only play i can see is to lay bb sub 2/1 |
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A considerable backing of Vengeur e/w @25/1 while we're still getting 1,2,3 looks the play today imo
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The clock says Bondi Beach and Storm the Stars. Take your pick.
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Bondi Beach for me,If you haven't seen his Debut run,Take a look,Not the Horse Coolmore wanted to win that day.
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Simple Verse @ 10's & 9's ew first 3 earlier today seemed a good bet to me, what with the now likely field. Able to get a little on with the online books.
I've been looking at it's last couple of runs, very impressive, the horses it beat have done well since. I know it's a step up, but it looked a real battler at the finish in those last 2 races. Maybe won't have the class, but I think a chance she'll improve. Should be easy enough to lay off anyhow on the day. |
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I think the extra 2fgs puts Bondi at an advantage over StS
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@PA_Stables: O'Brien added that with rain forecast for @DoncasterRaces, Order Of St George set to run on Saturday rather than @Curraghrace on Sunday.
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Coming back in in the market for sure.
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Dettori booked for Bondi beach.Other two no jocks as yet.
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He had been linked with the mount on Bondi Beach in the Ladbrokes St Leger at Town Moor but with the QIPCO Irish Champion Stakes now brought forward to a 5.45pm start, that isn't a possiblity.
Jeez....another twist.. |
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THE Qipco Irish Champion Stakes will be run at 5.45, 65 minutes earlier than scheduled on Saturday, with concerns over the state of the ground prompting Leopardstown to try and provide a better surface.
With the course forecast heavy rain on Friday officials have moved the race forward in a bid to provide less churned up ground for the likes of Gleneagles and Golden Horn, who both prefer a sounder surface. 'It's too tight' The move has thrown jockey plans up in the air and has scuppered Frankie Dettori's plans to ride for Aidan O'Brien in the Ladbrokes St Leger. Dettori's name briefly appeared on the BHA website next to second favourite Bondi Beach on Thursday morning, but with just two hours between the St Leger and Irish Champion Stakes - in which he rides favourite Golden Horn, his plans for a Group 1 double have been aborted. "It's still much too tight," said Dettori's agent Ray Cochrane. "It takes an hour and a half to get there [Leopardstown] in a high-speed chopper and I don't think John Gosden really wants to be sweating waiting for his jockey. He'll go to Leopardstown. It's too tight." |
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I was looking at it from last year and a few jockeys (Moore, Doyle, Dettori) all left after the Leger and were in time for two races prior to the Champ Stks.
to compound the problem, Seamie Heffernan (who AO'B just yday said will be at Doncaster) is booked to ride all day at Leopardstown! So, who is going to ride those horses ? (except Colm O'Donoghue presumably on one) |
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Here's the latest ...
Bondi Beach to be ridden by William Buick Order Of St George to be ridden by Colm O'Donoghue |