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Is it just me or is everyone going overboard about Faugheen....a horse who probably needs further, beat two stayers last time, and is now deemed to be a certainty over 2 miles on a flat track. Although no surprise if he manages to win, surely would be no surprise also if Irving quickens past it. Has yet to race against a top 2 miler who quickens and is 2-1 for champion hurdle!
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I think he has a lot to prove over 2miles, just a shame TNO is not lining up at xmas.
Looks a walkover for Faugheen and that is why he running there. |
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Definitely a shame TNO not there. However I think Irving may give him more of a race then some people think.
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is OP fishing??
it will be a surprise if Irvine gets near it never mind quickens past it  |
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faugheen takes it up at the 3rd or 4th hurdle and doesn't see another rival
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dont forget the forum will then slag off STD.
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I will believe Faugheen is the real deal once it has beaten a decent 2 miler. Ploughing through hurdles and beating stayers is a different proposition to beating The New One at Chelt.....
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Flashy hopefully you'll be laying Faugheen all day on Friday to make a decent price for the rest of us.
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Not at all....but backing horses at 2/5 is certainly not my thing.
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Anybody who doubts Faugheen ability to quicken in a 2 mile race obviously didn't watch him on his seasonal debut. The race was run at an absolute crawl and yet he showed an absolute dream turn of foot whilst still in 2nd gear. We know he stays further, he's jumped better at 2 mile pace.
I love The New One, but Faugheen could prove to be an absolute monster; possibly the greatest hurdler ever. Willie Mullins himself has said he's stunned by how good he's become. |
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Greatest hurdler ever
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faugheen is a stunning horse which explains why the best 2mile hurdler in britain is running scared of him, pathetic cowardice from twister keeping his "champion" away from grade 1 company and winning garbage non-contests instead.
if the authorities in britain had any integrity they would ban tno from the champion hurdle to teach young nigel a lesson for showing contempt to race fans who want to see the best race against the best, nobody likes a ducker |
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bit extreme, banning nigel for playing the game the authorities in britain cause problems like this if the authorities wanted horses to take each other on, they wouldn't have created a new race worth £60k to the winner (more prize money than the christmas hurdle) at haydock in a packed december which allows trainers to pick up easy money and dodge rivals last season the new one ran in the international and the christmas hurdle, he was beaten at kempton and now he doesn't have to risk going there because a new race popped up for him |
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running scared
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Spot on Tucho. The graded hurdling calendar is bizarre. I actually reckon that Irving will put up more of a fight than most seem to be expecting, but finish second.
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ThunderRoad • December 21, 2014 12:29 AM GMT
Anybody who doubts Faugheen ability to quicken in a 2 mile race obviously didn't watch him on his seasonal debut. The race was run at an absolute crawl and yet he showed an absolute dream turn of foot whilst still in 2nd gear. We know he stays further, he's jumped better at 2 mile pace. I love The New One, but Faugheen could prove to be an absolute monster; possibly the greatest hurdler ever. Willie Mullins himself has said he's stunned by how good he's become. Greatest hurdler ever.....ffs  |
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Talk of running scared etc is just plain ridiculous. Trainers talk to each other and then decide running plans.
On the day of the Haydock race,Faugheen ran at Ascot over 2 and a halfm, he could have taken on TNO at Haydock over the CHurdle distance.They both wanted to win so Faugheen goes to Ascot,TNO Haydock. Its that simple. As for TNO not running in Xmas hurdle....hes had 3 runs already!! |
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and would had in been within 3 weeks of his last run ?
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4/9 doesn't float the boat on the quickest 2 mile track in the country...a track like Cheltenham will obviously plays to his strengths a lot better so if he trounces Irving he probably wins in March.
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faugheen is no flakey dove yet
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Hendo taking his out of the ladbroke for this (when the ground wasn't all that bad) suggests they think he's better than a handicapper. If I was to oppose Faugheen I'd be going in that direction rather than Irving I think...
NTD is one of the more open/honest trainers about his horses and targets. Henderson, Mullins etc should be more like him. |
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Don't know what's worse, the fact you've questioned Faugheen's ability or the fact you've actually said you wouldn't be surprised to see Irving quicken past him. I'll let you away with it though, I remember the night I had my first beer. For the record, do you consider Irving to be a top 2 miler? If so, I look forward to never seeing the words "Faugheen has never beaten a top 2 miler" ever again.
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Benjy, the reason for that is because Nigel Twisted Davies only has one horse people actually care about. Especially compared to Henderson and Mullins.
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Who's that aimed at Patter?
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think it was to the OP sint
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Thanks for letting me get away with it Paterson ....haha
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By the time of your post, were you having your first beer?
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Looks like some of that beer missed his mouth as he is clearly wet behind the ears.
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I've laid this. He probably will win and is probably priced about right but this is the first time he will be up against a speedster from the flat that is improving with every run over hurdles (Irving) also, how good is SoaV really? Shown something for Hendo to send him here instead of running in the lad-broke imo.
Lay Backer's Odds Backer's Stake Payout Liability Faugheen 1.48 £101.33 £48.24 £101.33  Posting my bet in case anyone wants to try and crab me. |
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ntd looking after his horse-explained why he is ducking this.
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Sgt reckless is 10 times the price of irving yet beat it 3 1/2 lengths in supreme
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Not his real showing though was it alleged..
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just think its way overpriced sint
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well going on the supreme the prices are way out....3 times the price??
By the way whats Sgt Reckless doing in the race anyway? thought he was a chaser now. |
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well going on the supreme the prices are way out....3 times the price??
By the way whats Sgt Reckless doing in the race anyway? thought he was a chaser now. |
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oops!!
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W/O Faugheen market could be interesting here.
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Agree with Flashy. Irving underestimated here.
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Mr Mullins has made some indifferent comments about his two champions, Not sure he knows which is the best?, Vautour Broke every horse including Irving at Cheltenham, Mullins comments at the time suggested he thought Vautour much the best of his team, the form book at the time would have suggested the opposite,and now the confusing entries would seem to agree with the form book? I prefer Vautour, but not sure what will be his best trip? Dessie won a king george, but was a Champion chaser(supreme), sometimes they confuse their own team,Faugheen is great and the odds reflect the obvious chance,but how good is Vautour?????
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The New One,is proven on quicker ground,but continues with his jumping errors that plague him,he deserves to be fav for a Champion hurdle,but those who back him will always be nervous. Pitt Zigg is another who may improve further.?
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