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Christmas Hurdle - Faugheen
Christmas Hurdle - Faugheen
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I don't follow you John. You keep switching between chasers and hurdlers. Are you just speculating about which of the Mullins horses has the better chance at the Festival? I would personally much rather be on Vautour in whichever of the races he competes in. As for which on is better at 2m over hurdles at Cheltenham, we'll never know; I was very taken by Vautour's Supreme, but connections seem to think Faugheen has the better CH chance.
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Trying to solve with winner of races is confusing enough with switching between hurdlers & chasers Mj.
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*without
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I'm keen on Irving here, good ground track suits. I'd take him e/w and w/o faugheen
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UNLEASH THE MONSTER
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AC Stafford
I was speculating and trying to understand the thoughts of the trainer,He clearly made suggestions that Vautour was the most impressive at last years festival, the Jossies Hill form line from the NHF flat race is outstanding for Fauheen but Faugheen definitely stays,I for one am very confused by it all!  |
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I love horses like this they give you better value on the other runners. Certainties are a myth in national hunt.
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I really rate Faugheen would be very disapointed if he got beat Friday
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The clock says that Faugheen is vulnerable so I have place layed it. Cannot do much damage at 1/5 and perfectly happy to be proved wrong.
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Blue Heron could outrun his odds,small field the negative.(place bet that is?)
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Irving could touch 7/1 soon (BF). I reckon he's already value at 13/2. Faugheen's a worthy fav
but you have to think Irving and Purple Bay look attractive at the current prices. |
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Irving w/o Faugheen 6/4 and also e/w 6/1 is a play. Speed horse on a track that suits.
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ground plenty fast enough for irving am happy to back the good horse sign of a victory to upset all here
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Irving pulled up...anyone know why?
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Couldnt keep up from what i could see.
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ruby typically saying nothing after the race...answering questions such as 'where would you rank faugheen at this stage of his career in terms of 2m hurdlers you've ridden', with, 'well he has 3 G1s and Hurricane Fly 22'...is just annoying.
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Irving was struggling from a long way out, looked like the pace was very hot... which makes the win even the more impressive!
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Ah there was definitely something wrong with Irving. He was pulled up before Heron Bay had come off the bridle. That's more than not being able to keep up.
I think when everyone reflects on Faugheen's win, which was more than impressive, there will still be a few questions about the form. I suppose he's doing everything that's asked of him really but he still has Jezki, The New One and Hurricane Fly to beat. When he beats those, nobody can question him. Bigger challenges lie down the road. If you were not on already, then I wouldn't be taking short odds about him beating the above trio. |
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If we get much quicker ground at Cheltenham,combined with jumping errors ,which were again apparent today,then the form of today is worth little.Other form-lines may well get interested.This horses is fantastic and versatile,but no ARKLE! No where near.
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Tactically come the hour,they will be forced to go early to make it a test,if ground comes up quick? that will not be easy,with plenty lurking for a late challenge.EVENS you must be mad.
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not so sure about that soyouthink...there's two races now where a strong pace has been set from the start and irving has fallen to peices, the supreme and today. he ran a similar race in the supreme.
i dont think purple bay is a 161 horse but he has still beaten him as he liked by 8 lengths making a hash of the last, at a track which wasnt expected to suit a horse that can stay much further. at chelenham he'll be different gravy. TNO has a good cruising speed but only quickens once. Walsh v STD? |
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He would only need to quicken once tbf.
Irving is probably just overrated based on the evidence now. |
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Totally agree about Irving, looks like he is a bit soft.
Not sure how Purple Bay became a 161 rated horse after winning a summer handicap race at Market Rasen and then a handicap at Wincanton, most bizarre. |
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FAUGHEENS have been running since time began .
LAY THEM ALL |
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i was there today he looks a very good horse to me id have him money on for the champion - finishes his races so well
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agree with sonko though 161 purple bay
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Zealot I'm not that certain that we have seen too many Faugheens tbf. He's unbeaten after 8 runs, including 3 grade ones, without breaking sweat on all going types over varying distances. I believe his Punchestown win was particularly good considering the jockey spent the last furlong hugging him.
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The engine is OK,but the jumping?
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irving found to have infection (puss) in hoof....
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Apart from the last which he met all wrong yesterday, what was it you did not like about his jumping Metro? I thought he was very good in the hurdling department yesterday.
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shocker, another issue with a nicholls horse after it was stuffed
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agree with Brandy , thought it jumped well when chasing the pace ,only mistake was the last when the race was already won , that thing will power up the hill , those that have some nice prices gl to you
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I don't suppose it will be any surprise to those who have studied the Cheltenham races but at the time I did look at his speed from, I think, when they joined the course at the same time as the champion field and timed it till the line and he ran the distance in pretty much the same time as the champion the day before. Maybe irrelevant. To me very relevant. The last time I was that taken by the clock was Denman at Newbury on the same card as Kauto. This suggested to me that he was possessed of a lot of speed and that the horse which went with him for a long way until tiring (Coe Harden) was also a better horse than he seemed to show that day.
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Irving was beat before half way so clearly something was amiss. That left Faugheen with very little to beat and I'd still like to see him win against a top 2 miler. Would be great to see him in the Irish Champion but guess that will depend on how Hurricane Fly gets on at Leopardstown on Monday. I'd probably expect Faugheen to go straight to Cheltenham now or run in another egg and spoon race (Red Mills trial perhaps?) where he's 1/8 or similar.
At this stage I'd still just prefer to have Jezki and The New One at 6/4 combined than 6/4 Faugheen, but he may well muller them. |
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A bit surprising to me that the general concensus is less favourable that it might have been.
I think Mullins has been genuinely surprised by the improvement of Faugheen, and very impressed as well. The overall form of the Xmas hurdle is okay for knocking I suppose, but it was the style of performances that was so very taking. He seems to travel so well. Although there was a good pace he has not trouble at all going with it and then quickened very smartly. I think the only thing that can beat him in the Champion is injury or a fall/serious error. The going on the first day of Cheltenham is never allowed to be faster then good to soft ( a scandal but a fact). He has fantastic speed, stays 3 miles, and I think is jumping better every race. He can go from the front if there is no pace, but does not sulk if he has to sit in behind. He would seem to have no obvios weakness and although obviously top class is still unexposed as he just wins easy. He is acused of not being Arkle. Well that applies in terms of merit to every horse running over the sticks since the 1960s. He just might be the best hurdler since the great Night Nurse though - he really does look very good índeed to me. |
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SoYouThink • December 26, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
Ah there was definitely something wrong with Irving. He was pulled up before Heron Bay had come off the bridle. That's more than not being able to keep up. I think when everyone reflects on Faugheen's win, which was more than impressive, there will still be a few questions about the form. I suppose he's doing everything that's asked of him really but he still has Jezki, The New One and Hurricane Fly to beat. When he beats those, nobody can question him. Bigger challenges lie down the road. If you were not on already, then I wouldn't be taking short odds about him beating the above trio. I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE FORM HORSE WON 8 OR 9 ON BOUNCE AND YOU WANT TO PICK HOLES IN THE FORM WHEN HE WON BY LENGTHS. |
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Sometimes it's enough to sit back, pour a nice single malt and luxuriate in something special. That's enough for me. I'm a huge fan of Jezki at Cheltenham in March and to beat that one Faugheen will have to go some. I hope we can see a new superstar crowned in March and I expect this will be the case.
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I suspect there is very little between TNO and Faugheen. TNO will stalk Faugheen who in my opinion will have to attempt to stretch his rivals 3 out perhaps. I can just see TNO ready to pounce and gaining going towards the last flight. It will turn into a scrap up that hill, i really can`t call it.
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Hope they all get there in one piece, it promises to be the best champion hurdle in my lifetime from a rating position, I have faugheen on 176, whichever way it goes or whoever beats who? the rating will be massive.
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