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27th Sept Cambridgeshire H'cap.
27th Sept Cambridgeshire H'cap.
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Cannot believe the stupidity of not declaring Air Pilot for the silver race, its due to go up 12lb soon.
That 12lb is lost due to the trainer not covering the entry with a Silver race entry. |
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Think he is going up 18lbs after Sats romp (sure i heard that on atr)
Personally think the ground will be near g/f by 2moro, that & the drop in trip would have went against his chances imo. |
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Beware of a trainer named RALPH and pronouncing it RAFE!!!!!!!
If he had thought it through he should have won before with his horse and then won as he actually did to pick up the double penalty to be sure of getting in. |
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Slower, you are missing the point with that 101 result,
it definitely was NOT a fluke!!! |
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With my main antepost bet Fort Bastion drawn very low in 2 I've had a couple of savers on Cornrow (7/1) and Bancnuanaheirann (33/1)drawn very high.
I've also had to throw a few quid on God Willing who I tipped up last year after his debut as a potential top class horse.  |
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Unoriginal here but I have backed Velox eachway at 10/1, sly-bet are offering 6 places. Ground and trip all look plum, yard still in good form and he's only had 10 runs which is not that many for a 4yo. Cam Hardie back on. I can't have the favourite at all tbh.
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Also like Bancnuanaheirann close running on fourth when ridden by W carson two years back , mullen strong enough to get a bit more out of him , Appleby in form and Horse likes g/f gl
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Do not bet with Ladbrokes or Coral on this race unless you're going win only, s****s only offering 4 places.
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Quotes from Cumani's website after his last run.
Velox ran a very satisfactory Cambridgeshire trial in the concluding mile handicap at Doncaster and might well have gone very close to winning had he not been caught a bit far back in a steadily-run race and then found trouble when beginning his challenge. He left the impression that the straight nine furlongs at Newmarket will suit him very well and if there is a silver lining to this unlucky defeat it is that he didn’t pick up a penalty for the big race. |
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Can I ask if any of you have thoughts on Buckstay?
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Looks like the fast ground and tailwind is massively favouring those ridden handy..
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BRONZE ANGEL at 20/1.
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Going to be fast ground 2moro.
Get ready for a handful of NRs  |
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Gosden wins the Silver version. Stalls 2 & 11 first two home.
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11 & 2 & 8 first three. Mange All 4th from 24
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& came over to the high side draw ??
The plot thickens ? |
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I know, odd really. Would be inclined to think there is no bias.
Billies offering 7 places now btw. |
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Buckstay has a chance Steamship. He's been in good form recently, upped 10lb this season. Conditions look ok for him??
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Middle to stands side looks the place to be and with Gosden/Buick winning the Silver Cup in a canter up the stands rail (especially considering he had to come all the way over from stall 11) I can see Cornrow going off 5/1 or under. Have lumped on at 8/1's with a view to layoff.
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Corncrow and God Willing make most appeal to me,the latter is a little disappointing but still capable at a decent price e/w, for the places Spa's dancer could put up a good show?
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Well there can be no excuses for Cornrow tomorrow everything looks in place for him. Bronze Angel looks sure to run well as all looks ideal for him as well but I feel Cornrow has the more scope for improvement and thought his last run over 7f was a fantastic trial for this. Good luck to everyone especially those who are on Cornrow
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GABRIALS KAKA ... today is the day! Trip fine, hold up horse who will get the pace required in this big field. The ground is the only reservation but with SkyBet paying 6 places and Hills paying 7 places, 25/1 can't be ignored. I've saved the best to last ... JAMIE SPENCER IS NOT THE JOCKEY TODAY!!! The mighty Pat Smullen takes over!
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Desperately difficult race but need an interest. Small e-w Niceofyoutotellme.
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Velox looks sure to go well but it's that high numbers that I don't like. Buckstay seems a good price but I don't do well following Chapple Hyam. The pin has come down on Fort Bastion, yard have had 3 winners in the past week, got the low draw, only a short head behind Cornrow last time. I have managed to convince myself.
Good luck all |
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similar thoughts on draw, pace high but faster ground low theoretically
Velox looks to have a lot going for him so him ew at 12/1, I also like Gabrial's Kaka so him also and, although it goes against the grain to back more than two usually, I feel obliged to cover the draw so Educate ew at 20/1 - only negative is that he is 6lbs higher than last year but I generally like horses who've been there, seen it and done it in these big field handicaps. Small stakes because it's difficult. Trainers of Educate and Gabrial's Kaka seem to think they'd prefer a bit more ease in the surface but their form does n't necessarily support that - although it's quick for the time of year, it's not like the rattling fast ground you sometimes get in high summer. Good luck all, quite prepared for it to unravel spectacularly later on...  |
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Gabrial's Kaka definitely has more improvement and was very much on my shortlist. But they have always indicated that he prefers anything but firm. Spencer also mentioned it after the Spring Cup. I wouldn't read as much into going preferences as some but in such a competitive field it has to be taken into consideration. If not today he'll have a big day next season.
In any case I'm more than happy with Bronze Angel as a pick. Has won here in the past of course but more importantly has shown hints this year that he is more than capable. Louis Steward's 5lb claim (49 wins) is a more than pleasing addition. But it is the Cambridgeshire. Huge field and possible biases aplenty. In the words of Ryan Moore, "This can turn into a stupid contest" Can't wait. |
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well done winners , good run by Niceofyoutotellme , cunning old devil Treggoning !!
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Yep, Wd winners. Especially deeping fox, who made me relook at bronze angel - thank you
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Well done winners - hacked up. He's a horse I've backed numerous times this season.
Funny how the draw completely changed from the Silver Cup less than 24 hours previously where the low horses all came over?? |
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Delighted with that. Won it well. Louis had him in the right place and timed it perfectly.
Ralph Beckett was very visibly gutted. Unlucky if you were on Niceofyoutotellme. |
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slower than everybody, just would not believe his eyes and the form of 101.
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wd Pj and Steamship with Buckstay placing.
Never see the race but Cumani keeps going close in the race, Swop a few years ago. Another place for me but yet to back the winner! |
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mac99 27 Sep 13 22:51 Joined: 18 May 10 | Topic/replies: 1,132 | Blogger: mac99's blog
I think Bronze Angel has the best form in the race by a few pounds from last years posts It gets worse , a work friend called me after the race asking me how well i had done with in the race after i had assured him that BA would win the Cambridgeshire this year some months ago , suppose this is a case classic of after timing , or another whinging hard luck racing story, be assured it is the latter . just thought the horse was becoming a bit of a rogue , hence the application of blinkers and running over the seemingly unsuitable trip of seven furlongs , all part of the plan it seems .well done to those who cottoned on to a cleverly conceived handicap plot and plenty did on here , put him up twelve pounds mr handicapper do it for me and others who missed out  |
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Nice performance by Bronze Angel,i wonder if having been near one of the 2 plum draws helped?,possibly a question of more clay than topsoil?.
Notice previous Kempton winners failed again,a bit like the horses that can ONLY do the biz at Gooodwood,[Pipedreamer an exception]. Once again it will be proven that horses beaten in this race will win group races.Im heartily fed up with pundits saying "hes a group horse running in a handicap",just like the Hunt Cup,they come on telly going on about a group horse is needed to win it,How many have said winners of the race went on to win a group race?none?. Look at the winning trainers of the Cambs previously,Wigham, Morrison,Mohammed,Tate,Swinbank,Butler,Harris,Given,hardly group horse trainers!!!.Its the same as the English Classics,Pundits come on after Royal Ascot with quotes about the winners for the next years classics,yet since 1971 although there have been around 171 classic races run, since then how many Royal Ascot winners have won an English Classic?.Answer?.THREE!!!!!!!. Same as the Triumph hurdle,since 1967 only 3 winners of the Triumph Hurdle won the Champion Hurdle the following year.Things may change with this stats for this race as its not the race it used to be,that is in its a smaller field these days that probably will affect the type of horse needed to win it. No doubt we will continue to be treated to more "Expert" analysis in the future from these guys on the box,i just wish people would do some analysis,well research is the work i'm looking for,but then that would require them do actually the the minimum of work!! If YOU are a person that pours over form stats and OTHER STUFF perhaps you would like to respond? |
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I pour over the clock.
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pipedreamer, good post. I would never have thought your Royal Ascot, English Classics facts were right. Thanks for the heads up.
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I wouldn't get too caught up with it pipedreamer. If unexposed horses are being over-hyped and over-bet that can only be a good thing.
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Bazzar I saved on Bronze Angel as I backed him ew at 20s as thought he was sure to run his race but got caught up in the Cornrow hype so not as profitable as it could have been but happy enough.
The point about a Group horse is a valid one but like I mentioned with Mukhadram earlier in the thread some of these horses aren't battled hardened and fully matured to cope with these tests. The other point is with Bronze Angel for example he seems best with a big field and a fast pace, how many Group races do you get like that? I think the best example I can remember is a handicap at Royal Ascot in 1995 Celeric the future Gold Cup winner finished 11th off 83 fair enough the 1m 4f trip was too short but back in 17th off just 82 was Pilsudski who went on to win 6 Group 1's! Two Group horses in a handicap but just like Mukhadram they were not the finished article. |
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I backed Pilsudski that day. Taipan another future Gp1 winner was beaten in that race too.
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I didn't realise that Jack so 3 future Group 1 winners beaten in a handicap
 It would tame lions! |