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I am yet to nail the winner of this race. Thought I had it last year when I had a big bet on Code of Honour at 20s but think he was seriously unlucky that day 
LOADS of entries at the mo so it's hard to call from a punting p.o.v.
John Gosden has 5 horses all at 20/1 and under.
One I have had a bet on so far at a big price is Madeed. He has good 10f form (finished 2nd to The Corsican 2 starts back conceding him 7lb) and has the right profile for the race. Doubts for me are if the horse is a little soft/awkward and the trainer tbh, but at 33/1 with 5 places i'm happy to have a bash. OR is 95 so not guaranteed a run but I can see loads dropping out so we'll see.
LOADS of entries at the mo so it's hard to call from a punting p.o.v.
John Gosden has 5 horses all at 20/1 and under.
One I have had a bet on so far at a big price is Madeed. He has good 10f form (finished 2nd to The Corsican 2 starts back conceding him 7lb) and has the right profile for the race. Doubts for me are if the horse is a little soft/awkward and the trainer tbh, but at 33/1 with 5 places i'm happy to have a bash. OR is 95 so not guaranteed a run but I can see loads dropping out so we'll see.
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Mellottie, Halling, Katy Nowaitie, Beauchamp Pilot, Pasternak, Formal Decree, Pipedreamer and last year Educate it's pretty easy really
It is my favourite race of the year and been a very lucky race for me but to show what a difficult race it can be two years ago I backed Mukhadram off 101!!! I think this years race is very trappy as the betting suggests, Cornrow ran a great trial over 7f which I seem to remember previous winners Penny Drops and I Cried For You doing. Haggas has yet to win the race but went close many moons ago with Missile and he has a few interesting contenders Princes Trust, Our Channel. Zarwaan the PW selection is interesting as I'm certain he has a big race in him as he was running well when Dunlops weren't generally. Ran a great race in the Britannia when stopped at a crucial stage and that's hot form, the doubt the trip? could improve for it and maybe it's what he wants but is an imponderable.
It is my favourite race of the year and been a very lucky race for me but to show what a difficult race it can be two years ago I backed Mukhadram off 101!!! I think this years race is very trappy as the betting suggests, Cornrow ran a great trial over 7f which I seem to remember previous winners Penny Drops and I Cried For You doing. Haggas has yet to win the race but went close many moons ago with Missile and he has a few interesting contenders Princes Trust, Our Channel. Zarwaan the PW selection is interesting as I'm certain he has a big race in him as he was running well when Dunlops weren't generally. Ran a great race in the Britannia when stopped at a crucial stage and that's hot form, the doubt the trip? could improve for it and maybe it's what he wants but is an imponderable.
Think Prince of Stars is a group horse in the making.
Would be very interested if he is being aimed at this by Jonny G.
Zarwaan & Mange All are two that i have had a bit ew £££ on this season, both ran well in defeat (placed thankfully)
Would be another 2 for my list.
Not played on anything ante-p yet.
Would be very interested if he is being aimed at this by Jonny G.
Zarwaan & Mange All are two that i have had a bit ew £££ on this season, both ran well in defeat (placed thankfully)
Would be another 2 for my list. Not played on anything ante-p yet.
Agree about POS but surely no chance wat so ever of gettin in here bein 85th on the list
A lot of the more fancied ones withdrawn and I'll stick with Cornrow.
I fancy Cornrow too, he looks the right type to me.
Well Madeed aint running so that's my bet down the toilet.
cant see air pilot getting in with a 5lb pen still
It may sound like pocket talk but i'm gobsmacked Meehan took Madeed out of the Cambridgeshire prematurely. It's looks a mistake now that he was pulled out of yesterdays race at Newbury (the one Air Pilot won) due to soft ground.
I like the chances of Tres Coronas despite being 7 yo and running off a higher mark than last year. He has arguably improved and beat the upwardly mobile senockian star at Chester. Versatile regarding ground, you could say he easily won last years race drawn on the wrong side given that Educate ended up with the high drawn horses and there was a fair way back to the next low drawn horse. I backed Nanton as a 9 yo at 40-1 rated 102 and having previously placed in the race before so 40-1 will do me given hes a definite runner and has been aimed at the race.
I believe Air Pilot only gets a 4lb penalty.
1 650444 Educate49 5 9-10 Ismail Mohammed67 110 94 117
2 122011 Tenor10 7x 4 9-7 John Ryan100 110 98 117
3 131733 The Rectifier13 7 9-6 Seamus Durack67 106 104 119
4 356410 Energia Davos7 6 9-5 Marco Botti86 105 111 117
5 124035 Gabrial´s Kaka37 4 9-3 Richard Fahey50 103 110 120
6 13930- Indian Chief377 4 9-2 David Nicholls29 102 — —
7 0-0771 Queensberry Rules35 4 9-2 William Haggas63 102 95 117
8 72-797 Quick Wit126 7 9-1 Saeed bin Suroor82 101 99 112
9 2-5820 Boomshackerlacker57 4 9-1 George Baker57 101 100 121
10 272847 Spa´s Dancer10 7 9-1 James Eustace 101 110 120
11 501072 Balty Boys21 5 9-0 Brian Ellison62 100 105 122
12 512909 Tres Coronas28 7 9-0 David Barron64 100 118 122
13 108730 Pacific Heights21 5 8-13 Brian Ellison62 99 98 117
14 410742 Bronze Angel14 5 8-13 Marcus Tregoning89 99 112 122
15 11400 Sea Shanty16 4 8-12 Richard Hannon68 98 96 119
16 875102 Don´t Call Me7 7 8-11 David Nicholls29 97 99 122
17 47103 Velox14 4 8-11 Luca Cumani75 97 103 119
18 05-310 Soviet Rock113 4 8-11 Andrew Balding57 97 101 118
19 80-190 Niceofyoutotellme60 5 8-10 Ralph Beckett60 96 90 121
20 002757 Ingleby Angel14 5 8-10 David O´Meara35 96 108 122
21 001301 Big Johnny D17 4x 5 8-10 David Barron64 96 104 120
22 511170 Lawmans Thunder21 4 8-9 Ismail Mohammed67 95 73 97
23 254113 Bartack17 4 8-9 David O´Meara35 95 110 120
24 45858 Bancnuanaheireann35 7 8-9 Michael Appleby70 95 104 120
25 648604 Fort Bastion21 5 8-9 Ruth Carr27 95 111 122
26 611-13 Cornrow21 4 8-8 John Gosden75 94 96 122
27 302610 Dance And Dance63 8 8-8 Ed Vaughan100 94 106 120
28 200-16 Homage31 4 8-8 William Haggas63 94 100 124
29 111177 Genius Boy33 4 8-8 James Tate70 95 95 118
30 040600 Hi There9 5 8-7 Richard Fahey50 93 110 124
31 1-124 Maverick Wave14 3 8-7 John Gosden75 98 84 120
32 066002 Starboard33 5 8-7 David Simcock33 93 99 120
33 00-200 Yeager63 4 8-7 Jeremy Noseda80 93 74 99
34 357880 Chancery21 6 8-7 David O´Meara35 93 101 118
35 0-7162 Forgotten Hero14 5 8-7 Charles Hills69 93 107 122
36 05301 Tinghir7 4x 4 8-7 David Lanigan100 93 100 116
37 123121 Extremity21 4x 3 8-7 Hugo Palmer50 98 102 122
38 165405 King Torus17 6 8-6 Ruth Carr27 92 101 120
39 014226 Spirit Of The Law7 5 8-6 Richard Fahey50 92 104 118
40 622150 Sound Advice21 5 8-6 Keith Dalgleish37 92 105 121
41 72123 Buckstay21 4 8-6 Peter Chapple-Hyam67 92 112 120
42 4-4502 God Willing8 3 8-6 Ed Dunlop60 97 100 119
43 870954 Burano17 5 8-5 Brian Meehan100 91 99 123
44 220341 Tigers Tale21 4x 5 8-5 Roger Teal25 91 102 118
45 2/2121 Air Pilot7 4x 5 8-5 Ralph Beckett60 91 109 129
46 339152 First Flight7 3 8-4 Saeed bin Suroor82 95 102 123
47 363050 Truth Or Dare16 3 8-4 Richard Hannon68 95 95 118
48 121 Basem29 3 8-4 Saeed bin Suroor82 95 88 117
49 141604 Muharrer7 5 8-4 Michael Dods63 91 110 121
50 45-412 Ree´s Rascal48 6 8-4 Jim Boyle33 90 111 120
51 432290 Ansaab7 6 8-3 Alan McCabe33 89 107 118
52 513915 Munaaser36 3 8-3 Sir Michael Stoute93 94 93 121
53 711115 Top Diktat119 6 8-3 Gary Moore50 89 113 119
54 918184 Cashpoint27 9 8-2 Ian Williams67 88 104 120
55 028488 Ifwecan33 3 8-2 Mark Johnston63 93 98 119
56 314051 Knight Owl18 4x 4 8-2 James Fanshawe 88 110 120
57 000607 Mabait7 8 8-1 David Simcock33 87 84 107
58 005404 Moonday Sun7 5 8-1 Amanda Perrett50 87 107 121
59 31512 Mange All16 3 8-1 William Haggas63 92 108 124
60 383127 Angelic Upstart16 6 8-0 Andrew Balding57 86 102 120
61 52221 One Pekan33 4 8-0 Roger Varian86 86 110 118
62 744323 Jodies Jem42 4 8-0 William Jarvis67 86 109 119
63 40-11 Gm Hopkins15 4x 3 8-0 John Gosden75 91 91 120
64 221116 Puzzle Time15 4 7-13 Giles Bravery100 85 106 117
65 121185 Halation7 3 7-13 David Simcock33 90 103 117
66 849009 Busatto7 4 7-13 Mark Johnston63 85 102 124
67 111534 Arab Dawn7 3 7-13 Hughie Morrison100 90 96 118
68 221 Lacan107 3 7-12 Clive Cox82 89 86 115
69 11U626 Border Bandit17 6 7-12 Tracy Waggott50 84 100 117
70 312-88 Ty Gwr8 5 7-11 Brian Ellison62 83 110 121
71 271115 Chain Of Events85 7 7-10 Michael Wigham100 82 107 116
72 226467 Braidley28 3 7-10 James Bethell 87 109 117
73 74141 Nanton35 12 7-10 Jim Goldie43 82 79 113
74 081210 Top Of The Glas7 3 7-10 Brian Ellison62 87 99 116
75 441340 Rydan28 3 7-9 Robert Mills50 86 107 115
76 36-370 Big Whiskey150 4 7-8 Edward Creighton50 80 — —
77 221528 Coincidently7 4 7-8 Alan Bailey100 80 93 116
78 574700 Showboating11 6 7-8 Alan McCabe33 80 100 116
79 854164 Eurystheus15 5 7-8 Michael Appleby70 80 109 113
80 02411P Miller Beach11 4 7-7 J F Levins50 79 103 107
81 1-2023 Miguel Grau34 4 7-7 Roger Varian86 79 84 111
82 364431 Karaka Jack35 7 7-6 Jim Goldie43 78 92 111
83 261053 Sheila´s Buddy8 5 7-6 J S Moore33 78 99 112
84 315760 Another For Joe9 6 7-6 Jim Goldie43 78 102 113
85 252053 Ventura Quest7 3 7-5 Richard Fahey50 82 98 112
86 81217 Unison30 4 7-5 Peter Makin67 77 82 111
87 505847 Anton Chigurh24 5 7-3 Philip McBride75 75 86 116
88 061418 Desert Ranger10 3 7-1 James Tate70 78 93 106
89 962377 Tight Lipped15 5 6-13 James Eustace 71 87 107
90 476409 Commissar49 5 6-12 Ian Williams67 70 88 105
91 44144 Tiger Jim17 4 6-12 Jim Goldie43 70 95 104
92 274565 Order Of Service9 4 6-11 Jim Goldie43 69 81 105
93 026460 Mayfield Boy9 3 6-9 Mel Brittain 72 83 102
94 760626 Silver Duke22 3 6-3 Jim Goldie43 66 64 93
95 237421 Plucky Dip7 4x 3 6-2 John Ryan100 65 81 87
96 567327 El Mirage31 4 5-13 Dean Ivory40 57 76 91
2 122011 Tenor10 7x 4 9-7 John Ryan100 110 98 117
3 131733 The Rectifier13 7 9-6 Seamus Durack67 106 104 119
4 356410 Energia Davos7 6 9-5 Marco Botti86 105 111 117
5 124035 Gabrial´s Kaka37 4 9-3 Richard Fahey50 103 110 120
6 13930- Indian Chief377 4 9-2 David Nicholls29 102 — —
7 0-0771 Queensberry Rules35 4 9-2 William Haggas63 102 95 117
8 72-797 Quick Wit126 7 9-1 Saeed bin Suroor82 101 99 112
9 2-5820 Boomshackerlacker57 4 9-1 George Baker57 101 100 121
10 272847 Spa´s Dancer10 7 9-1 James Eustace 101 110 120
11 501072 Balty Boys21 5 9-0 Brian Ellison62 100 105 122
12 512909 Tres Coronas28 7 9-0 David Barron64 100 118 122
13 108730 Pacific Heights21 5 8-13 Brian Ellison62 99 98 117
14 410742 Bronze Angel14 5 8-13 Marcus Tregoning89 99 112 122
15 11400 Sea Shanty16 4 8-12 Richard Hannon68 98 96 119
16 875102 Don´t Call Me7 7 8-11 David Nicholls29 97 99 122
17 47103 Velox14 4 8-11 Luca Cumani75 97 103 119
18 05-310 Soviet Rock113 4 8-11 Andrew Balding57 97 101 118
19 80-190 Niceofyoutotellme60 5 8-10 Ralph Beckett60 96 90 121
20 002757 Ingleby Angel14 5 8-10 David O´Meara35 96 108 122
21 001301 Big Johnny D17 4x 5 8-10 David Barron64 96 104 120
22 511170 Lawmans Thunder21 4 8-9 Ismail Mohammed67 95 73 97
23 254113 Bartack17 4 8-9 David O´Meara35 95 110 120
24 45858 Bancnuanaheireann35 7 8-9 Michael Appleby70 95 104 120
25 648604 Fort Bastion21 5 8-9 Ruth Carr27 95 111 122
26 611-13 Cornrow21 4 8-8 John Gosden75 94 96 122
27 302610 Dance And Dance63 8 8-8 Ed Vaughan100 94 106 120
28 200-16 Homage31 4 8-8 William Haggas63 94 100 124
29 111177 Genius Boy33 4 8-8 James Tate70 95 95 118
30 040600 Hi There9 5 8-7 Richard Fahey50 93 110 124
31 1-124 Maverick Wave14 3 8-7 John Gosden75 98 84 120
32 066002 Starboard33 5 8-7 David Simcock33 93 99 120
33 00-200 Yeager63 4 8-7 Jeremy Noseda80 93 74 99
34 357880 Chancery21 6 8-7 David O´Meara35 93 101 118
35 0-7162 Forgotten Hero14 5 8-7 Charles Hills69 93 107 122
36 05301 Tinghir7 4x 4 8-7 David Lanigan100 93 100 116
37 123121 Extremity21 4x 3 8-7 Hugo Palmer50 98 102 122
38 165405 King Torus17 6 8-6 Ruth Carr27 92 101 120
39 014226 Spirit Of The Law7 5 8-6 Richard Fahey50 92 104 118
40 622150 Sound Advice21 5 8-6 Keith Dalgleish37 92 105 121
41 72123 Buckstay21 4 8-6 Peter Chapple-Hyam67 92 112 120
42 4-4502 God Willing8 3 8-6 Ed Dunlop60 97 100 119
43 870954 Burano17 5 8-5 Brian Meehan100 91 99 123
44 220341 Tigers Tale21 4x 5 8-5 Roger Teal25 91 102 118
45 2/2121 Air Pilot7 4x 5 8-5 Ralph Beckett60 91 109 129
46 339152 First Flight7 3 8-4 Saeed bin Suroor82 95 102 123
47 363050 Truth Or Dare16 3 8-4 Richard Hannon68 95 95 118
48 121 Basem29 3 8-4 Saeed bin Suroor82 95 88 117
49 141604 Muharrer7 5 8-4 Michael Dods63 91 110 121
50 45-412 Ree´s Rascal48 6 8-4 Jim Boyle33 90 111 120
51 432290 Ansaab7 6 8-3 Alan McCabe33 89 107 118
52 513915 Munaaser36 3 8-3 Sir Michael Stoute93 94 93 121
53 711115 Top Diktat119 6 8-3 Gary Moore50 89 113 119
54 918184 Cashpoint27 9 8-2 Ian Williams67 88 104 120
55 028488 Ifwecan33 3 8-2 Mark Johnston63 93 98 119
56 314051 Knight Owl18 4x 4 8-2 James Fanshawe 88 110 120
57 000607 Mabait7 8 8-1 David Simcock33 87 84 107
58 005404 Moonday Sun7 5 8-1 Amanda Perrett50 87 107 121
59 31512 Mange All16 3 8-1 William Haggas63 92 108 124
60 383127 Angelic Upstart16 6 8-0 Andrew Balding57 86 102 120
61 52221 One Pekan33 4 8-0 Roger Varian86 86 110 118
62 744323 Jodies Jem42 4 8-0 William Jarvis67 86 109 119
63 40-11 Gm Hopkins15 4x 3 8-0 John Gosden75 91 91 120
64 221116 Puzzle Time15 4 7-13 Giles Bravery100 85 106 117
65 121185 Halation7 3 7-13 David Simcock33 90 103 117
66 849009 Busatto7 4 7-13 Mark Johnston63 85 102 124
67 111534 Arab Dawn7 3 7-13 Hughie Morrison100 90 96 118
68 221 Lacan107 3 7-12 Clive Cox82 89 86 115
69 11U626 Border Bandit17 6 7-12 Tracy Waggott50 84 100 117
70 312-88 Ty Gwr8 5 7-11 Brian Ellison62 83 110 121
71 271115 Chain Of Events85 7 7-10 Michael Wigham100 82 107 116
72 226467 Braidley28 3 7-10 James Bethell 87 109 117
73 74141 Nanton35 12 7-10 Jim Goldie43 82 79 113
74 081210 Top Of The Glas7 3 7-10 Brian Ellison62 87 99 116
75 441340 Rydan28 3 7-9 Robert Mills50 86 107 115
76 36-370 Big Whiskey150 4 7-8 Edward Creighton50 80 — —
77 221528 Coincidently7 4 7-8 Alan Bailey100 80 93 116
78 574700 Showboating11 6 7-8 Alan McCabe33 80 100 116
79 854164 Eurystheus15 5 7-8 Michael Appleby70 80 109 113
80 02411P Miller Beach11 4 7-7 J F Levins50 79 103 107
81 1-2023 Miguel Grau34 4 7-7 Roger Varian86 79 84 111
82 364431 Karaka Jack35 7 7-6 Jim Goldie43 78 92 111
83 261053 Sheila´s Buddy8 5 7-6 J S Moore33 78 99 112
84 315760 Another For Joe9 6 7-6 Jim Goldie43 78 102 113
85 252053 Ventura Quest7 3 7-5 Richard Fahey50 82 98 112
86 81217 Unison30 4 7-5 Peter Makin67 77 82 111
87 505847 Anton Chigurh24 5 7-3 Philip McBride75 75 86 116
88 061418 Desert Ranger10 3 7-1 James Tate70 78 93 106
89 962377 Tight Lipped15 5 6-13 James Eustace 71 87 107
90 476409 Commissar49 5 6-12 Ian Williams67 70 88 105
91 44144 Tiger Jim17 4 6-12 Jim Goldie43 70 95 104
92 274565 Order Of Service9 4 6-11 Jim Goldie43 69 81 105
93 026460 Mayfield Boy9 3 6-9 Mel Brittain 72 83 102
94 760626 Silver Duke22 3 6-3 Jim Goldie43 66 64 93
95 237421 Plucky Dip7 4x 3 6-2 John Ryan100 65 81 87
96 567327 El Mirage31 4 5-13 Dean Ivory40 57 76 91
Forgive me bazzar for being thick
I don't understand?
I don't understand?
But bet surely you have to mark up Educates effort to win last year for going off a straight course??
Seriously cannot believe Meehan pulled out Madeed
BRONZE ANGEL here, upward profile, top claimer rumoured to be lined up to take weight down to 8st 8lb and won the race 2 years ago, performing well over shorter LTO, whats not to like.
Like about six right now foremost of which is Niceofyoutotellme, looks primed for a good run and has track form .
deepingfox 23 Sep 14 00:29
BRONZE ANGEL here, upward profile, top claimer rumoured to be lined up to take weight down to 8st 8lb and won the race 2 years ago, performing well over shorter LTO, whats not to like.
Looked at this , and you're right, what's not to like ! the current price c 20/1 is bound to shorten.
BRONZE ANGEL here, upward profile, top claimer rumoured to be lined up to take weight down to 8st 8lb and won the race 2 years ago, performing well over shorter LTO, whats not to like.
Looked at this , and you're right, what's not to like !
the current price c 20/1 is bound to shorten.
Cornrow as well for me if settling cracking chance, Air Pilot may not run if ground firms up needs cut so Cornrow could go off around 5/1?
Lots of people seem to be jumping on Cornrow ...why?
BRONZE Angel likes it very fast... I have had my fingers burnt few times early season and was not declared becuse of the ground... is there a chance of that happening... as maybe some rain tomorrow... dry rest of week tho...
Looks like lots of improvement to come after only 5 starts,good weight goes on any ground,trainer targets race.Not many declared open to much improvement apart from couple inc Air Pilot who needs cut in ground.
Is 5 starts enough though? Experience is vital in races like this
He has run in 5 double figure fields so far, lto was competitive 17 runner handicap but 30 horses plus spread across track who knows? But he is a prominent racer so that hopefully will help.
SLOWER, it was deliberately cryptic, but you have access to
the past form which contained your 101 bet, I suggest a repeat!!!
the past form which contained your 101 bet, I suggest a repeat!!!
Well I'm hoping that you mean the jockey and not the horse BAZZAR but if you do mean the horse he has an obvious chance as he looked very good that day but not many horses win 2 Cambridgeshires.
Cornrow is the horse with any amount of improvement and John Gosden does target the race and although the form of his last run isn't working out very well, it was an inadequate trip and after travelling well, he really rallied well and ran a great trial for this. I backed Air Pilot on Saturday and he was very impressive but this is a better race and the ground was soft will it be as soft this Saturday? He has form on quicker ground but you have to feel his ideal conditions are with plenty of give, plus I don't think it's ideal coming out so quick again?
but if you do mean the horse he has an obvious chance as he looked very good that day but not many horses win 2 Cambridgeshires. Cornrow is the horse with any amount of improvement and John Gosden does target the race and although the form of his last run isn't working out very well, it was an inadequate trip and after travelling well, he really rallied well and ran a great trial for this. I backed Air Pilot on Saturday and he was very impressive but this is a better race and the ground was soft will it be as soft this Saturday? He has form on quicker ground but you have to feel his ideal conditions are with plenty of give, plus I don't think it's ideal coming out so quick again?
^ On paper he does look a penalty kick but he did have a very long time off the track and then trying to follow up just a week after his comeback might not be easy. Look at Muthmir - based on his Portland win he clearly should have been a shoo-in for the Stewards Cup but got beat a week after his impressive York win.
Air Pilot... lto may be a bit flattering as won on soft going ... not sure a race on faster surface a week later will bring out the best in the horse...
Think he is a false price... will be bigger on Saturday... and dont think he will win
CORNROW and EDUCATE for me.
Think he is a false price... will be bigger on Saturday... and dont think he will win
CORNROW and EDUCATE for me.
12f on Soft at Newbs is so different from 9f on Good over a straight track at HQ, but we all know that. Impressive as he was, even if he gets a run, I couldn't have him on my mind tbh.
10f on Sat Sint although it was soft it still will de differing conditions.... but he won so so easy that 4points won't stop him and the likely fast pace will make it feel like 10f+.
Not "All in" but decent enough bet
Not "All in" but decent enough bet
Think the going will be on the slow side of good tomorrow but even with heavy dews it should dry out by Sat, which makes me think the trip is likely to be a bit sharp for Air Pilot. Factor in potential bounce and too many doubts for me to justify his short price.
What the going is like for 2moro wont have any baring on sats race?
Prob be g/f come Sat if weather is dry.
Would not expect to see the fav line-up if so.
Prob be g/f come Sat if weather is dry.
Would not expect to see the fav line-up if so.
I don't the trip will be a problem at all for Air Pilot he's not short of speed and even the ground as long as it's not fast in any way. If he does make the line up which he stills needs 10 to drop out then I will be having a saver on him. I'd just prefer a longer time between the races, as even though he won easily but on that ground it still has to take something out of him and he has been fragile. I'll be honest and say I hope he's balloted out and then no one loses
Racing Post @RacingPost 4 mins
Ante-post favourite Air Pilot misses the cut for Saturday's Cambridgeshire by one
Ante-post favourite Air Pilot misses the cut for Saturday's Cambridgeshire by one
Cannot believe the stupidity of not declaring Air Pilot for the silver race, its due to go up 12lb soon.
That 12lb is lost due to the trainer not covering the entry with a Silver race entry.
That 12lb is lost due to the trainer not covering the entry with a Silver race entry.
Think he is going up 18lbs after Sats romp (sure i heard that on atr)
Personally think the ground will be near g/f by 2moro, that & the drop in trip would have went against his chances imo.
Personally think the ground will be near g/f by 2moro, that & the drop in trip would have went against his chances imo.
Beware of a trainer named RALPH and pronouncing it RAFE!!!!!!!
If he had thought it through he should have won before with his horse
and then won as he actually did to pick up the double penalty to be
sure of getting in.
If he had thought it through he should have won before with his horse
and then won as he actually did to pick up the double penalty to be
sure of getting in.
Slower, you are missing the point with that 101 result,
it definitely was NOT a fluke!!!
it definitely was NOT a fluke!!!
With my main antepost bet Fort Bastion drawn very low in 2 I've had a couple of savers on Cornrow (7/1) and Bancnuanaheirann (33/1)drawn very high.
I've also had to throw a few quid on God Willing who I tipped up last year after his debut as a potential top class horse.
I've also had to throw a few quid on God Willing who I tipped up last year after his debut as a potential top class horse.
Unoriginal here but I have backed Velox eachway at 10/1, sly-bet are offering 6 places. Ground and trip all look plum, yard still in good form and he's only had 10 runs which is not that many for a 4yo. Cam Hardie back on. I can't have the favourite at all tbh.
Also like Bancnuanaheirann close running on fourth when ridden by W carson two years back , mullen strong enough to get a bit more out of him , Appleby in form and Horse likes g/f gl
Do not bet with Ladbrokes or Coral on this race unless you're going win only, s****s only offering 4 places.
Quotes from Cumani's website after his last run.
Velox ran a very satisfactory Cambridgeshire trial in the concluding mile handicap at Doncaster and might well have gone very close to winning had he not been caught a bit far back in a steadily-run race and then found trouble when beginning his challenge. He left the impression that the straight nine furlongs at Newmarket will suit him very well and if there is a silver lining to this unlucky defeat it is that he didn’t pick up a penalty for the big race.
Velox ran a very satisfactory Cambridgeshire trial in the concluding mile handicap at Doncaster and might well have gone very close to winning had he not been caught a bit far back in a steadily-run race and then found trouble when beginning his challenge. He left the impression that the straight nine furlongs at Newmarket will suit him very well and if there is a silver lining to this unlucky defeat it is that he didn’t pick up a penalty for the big race.
Can I ask if any of you have thoughts on Buckstay?
Looks like the fast ground and tailwind is massively favouring those ridden handy..
Going to be fast ground 2moro.
Get ready for a handful of NRs
Get ready for a handful of NRs
Gosden wins the Silver version. Stalls 2 & 11 first two home.
& came over to the high side draw ??
The plot thickens ?
The plot thickens ?
I know, odd really. Would be inclined to think there is no bias.
Billies offering 7 places now btw.
Billies offering 7 places now btw.
Buckstay has a chance Steamship. He's been in good form recently, upped 10lb this season. Conditions look ok for him??
Middle to stands side looks the place to be and with Gosden/Buick winning the Silver Cup in a canter up the stands rail (especially considering he had to come all the way over from stall 11) I can see Cornrow going off 5/1 or under. Have lumped on at 8/1's with a view to layoff.
Corncrow and God Willing make most appeal to me,the latter is a little disappointing but still capable at a decent price e/w, for the places Spa's dancer could put up a good show?
Well there can be no excuses for Cornrow tomorrow everything looks in place for him. Bronze Angel looks sure to run well as all looks ideal for him as well but I feel Cornrow has the more scope for improvement and thought his last run over 7f was a fantastic trial for this. Good luck to everyone especially those who are on Cornrow
GABRIALS KAKA ... today is the day! Trip fine, hold up horse who will get the pace required in this big field. The ground is the only reservation but with SkyBet paying 6 places and Hills paying 7 places, 25/1 can't be ignored. I've saved the best to last ... JAMIE SPENCER IS NOT THE JOCKEY TODAY!!! The mighty Pat Smullen takes over!
Desperately difficult race but need an interest. Small e-w Niceofyoutotellme.
Velox looks sure to go well but it's that high numbers that I don't like. Buckstay seems a good price but I don't do well following Chapple Hyam. The pin has come down on Fort Bastion, yard have had 3 winners in the past week, got the low draw, only a short head behind Cornrow last time. I have managed to convince myself.
Good luck all
Good luck all
similar thoughts on draw, pace high but faster ground low theoretically
Velox looks to have a lot going for him so him ew at 12/1, I also like Gabrial's Kaka so him also and, although it goes against the grain to back more than two usually, I feel obliged to cover the draw so Educate ew at 20/1 - only negative is that he is 6lbs higher than last year but I generally like horses who've been there, seen it and done it in these big field handicaps.
Small stakes because it's difficult.
Trainers of Educate and Gabrial's Kaka seem to think they'd prefer a bit more ease in the surface but their form does n't necessarily support that - although it's quick for the time of year, it's not like the rattling fast ground you sometimes get in high summer.
Good luck all, quite prepared for it to unravel spectacularly later on...
Velox looks to have a lot going for him so him ew at 12/1, I also like Gabrial's Kaka so him also and, although it goes against the grain to back more than two usually, I feel obliged to cover the draw so Educate ew at 20/1 - only negative is that he is 6lbs higher than last year but I generally like horses who've been there, seen it and done it in these big field handicaps.
Small stakes because it's difficult.
Trainers of Educate and Gabrial's Kaka seem to think they'd prefer a bit more ease in the surface but their form does n't necessarily support that - although it's quick for the time of year, it's not like the rattling fast ground you sometimes get in high summer.
Good luck all, quite prepared for it to unravel spectacularly later on...
Gabrial's Kaka definitely has more improvement and was very much on my shortlist. But they have always indicated that he prefers anything but firm. Spencer also mentioned it after the Spring Cup. I wouldn't read as much into going preferences as some but in such a competitive field it has to be taken into consideration. If not today he'll have a big day next season.
In any case I'm more than happy with Bronze Angel as a pick. Has won here in the past of course but more importantly has shown hints this year that he is more than capable. Louis Steward's 5lb claim (49 wins) is a more than pleasing addition.
But it is the Cambridgeshire. Huge field and possible biases aplenty. In the words of Ryan Moore, "This can turn into a stupid contest"
Can't wait.
In any case I'm more than happy with Bronze Angel as a pick. Has won here in the past of course but more importantly has shown hints this year that he is more than capable. Louis Steward's 5lb claim (49 wins) is a more than pleasing addition.
But it is the Cambridgeshire. Huge field and possible biases aplenty. In the words of Ryan Moore, "This can turn into a stupid contest"
Can't wait.
well done winners , good run by Niceofyoutotellme , cunning old devil Treggoning !!
Yep, Wd winners. Especially deeping fox, who made me relook at bronze angel - thank you
Well done winners - hacked up. He's a horse I've backed numerous times this season.
Funny how the draw completely changed from the Silver Cup less than 24 hours previously where the low horses all came over??
Funny how the draw completely changed from the Silver Cup less than 24 hours previously where the low horses all came over??
Delighted with that. Won it well. Louis had him in the right place and timed it perfectly.
Ralph Beckett was very visibly gutted. Unlucky if you were on Niceofyoutotellme.
Ralph Beckett was very visibly gutted. Unlucky if you were on Niceofyoutotellme.
slower than everybody, just would not believe his eyes and the form of 101.
wd Pj and Steamship with Buckstay placing.
Never see the race but Cumani keeps going close in the race, Swop a few years ago. Another place for me but yet to back the winner!
Never see the race but Cumani keeps going close in the race, Swop a few years ago. Another place for me but yet to back the winner!
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I think Bronze Angel has the best form in the race by a few pounds
from last years posts
It gets worse , a work friend called me after the race asking me how well i had done with in the race after i had assured him that BA would win the Cambridgeshire this year some months ago , suppose this is a case classic of after timing , or another whinging hard luck racing story, be assured it is the latter . just thought the horse was becoming a bit of a rogue , hence the application of blinkers and running over the seemingly unsuitable trip of seven furlongs , all part of the plan it seems .
well done to those who cottoned on to a cleverly conceived handicap plot and plenty did on here , put him up twelve pounds mr handicapper do it for me and others who missed out
I think Bronze Angel has the best form in the race by a few pounds
from last years posts
It gets worse , a work friend called me after the race asking me how well i had done with in the race after i had assured him that BA would win the Cambridgeshire this year some months ago , suppose this is a case classic of after timing , or another whinging hard luck racing story, be assured it is the latter .
just thought the horse was becoming a bit of a rogue , hence the application of blinkers and running over the seemingly unsuitable trip of seven furlongs , all part of the plan it seems .well done to those who cottoned on to a cleverly conceived handicap plot and plenty did on here , put him up twelve pounds mr handicapper do it for me and others who missed out
Nice performance by Bronze Angel,i wonder if having been near one of the 2 plum draws helped?,possibly a question of more clay than topsoil?.
Notice previous Kempton winners failed again,a bit like the horses that can ONLY do the biz at Gooodwood,[Pipedreamer an exception].
Once again it will be proven that horses beaten in this race will win group races.Im heartily fed up with pundits saying "hes a group horse running in a handicap",just like the Hunt Cup,they come on telly going on about a group horse is needed to win it,How many have said winners of the race went on to win a group race?none?.
Look at the winning trainers of the Cambs previously,Wigham, Morrison,Mohammed,Tate,Swinbank,Butler,Harris,Given,hardly group horse trainers!!!.Its the same as the English Classics,Pundits come on after Royal Ascot with quotes about the winners for the next years classics,yet since 1971 although there have been around 171 classic races run, since then how many Royal Ascot winners have won an English Classic?.Answer?.THREE!!!!!!!.
Same as the Triumph hurdle,since 1967 only 3 winners of the Triumph Hurdle won the Champion Hurdle the following year.Things may change with this stats for this race as its not the race it used to be,that is in its a smaller field these days that probably will affect the type of horse needed to win it.
No doubt we will continue to be treated to more "Expert" analysis in the future from these guys on the box,i just wish people would do some analysis,well research is the work i'm looking for,but then that would require them do actually the the minimum of work!!
If YOU are a person that pours over form stats and OTHER STUFF perhaps you would like to respond?
Notice previous Kempton winners failed again,a bit like the horses that can ONLY do the biz at Gooodwood,[Pipedreamer an exception].
Once again it will be proven that horses beaten in this race will win group races.Im heartily fed up with pundits saying "hes a group horse running in a handicap",just like the Hunt Cup,they come on telly going on about a group horse is needed to win it,How many have said winners of the race went on to win a group race?none?.
Look at the winning trainers of the Cambs previously,Wigham, Morrison,Mohammed,Tate,Swinbank,Butler,Harris,Given,hardly group horse trainers!!!.Its the same as the English Classics,Pundits come on after Royal Ascot with quotes about the winners for the next years classics,yet since 1971 although there have been around 171 classic races run, since then how many Royal Ascot winners have won an English Classic?.Answer?.THREE!!!!!!!.
Same as the Triumph hurdle,since 1967 only 3 winners of the Triumph Hurdle won the Champion Hurdle the following year.Things may change with this stats for this race as its not the race it used to be,that is in its a smaller field these days that probably will affect the type of horse needed to win it.
No doubt we will continue to be treated to more "Expert" analysis in the future from these guys on the box,i just wish people would do some analysis,well research is the work i'm looking for,but then that would require them do actually the the minimum of work!!
If YOU are a person that pours over form stats and OTHER STUFF perhaps you would like to respond?
pipedreamer, good post. I would never have thought your Royal Ascot, English Classics facts were right. Thanks for the heads up.
I wouldn't get too caught up with it pipedreamer. If unexposed horses are being over-hyped and over-bet that can only be a good thing.
Bazzar I saved on Bronze Angel as I backed him ew at 20s as thought he was sure to run his race but got caught up in the Cornrow hype so not as profitable as it could have been but happy enough.
The point about a Group horse is a valid one but like I mentioned with Mukhadram earlier in the thread some of these horses aren't battled hardened and fully matured to cope with these tests. The other point is with Bronze Angel for example he seems best with a big field and a fast pace, how many Group races do you get like that?
I think the best example I can remember is a handicap at Royal Ascot in 1995 Celeric the future Gold Cup winner finished 11th off 83 fair enough the 1m 4f trip was too short but back in 17th off just 82 was Pilsudski who went on to win 6 Group 1's! Two Group horses in a handicap but just like Mukhadram they were not the finished article.
The point about a Group horse is a valid one but like I mentioned with Mukhadram earlier in the thread some of these horses aren't battled hardened and fully matured to cope with these tests. The other point is with Bronze Angel for example he seems best with a big field and a fast pace, how many Group races do you get like that?
I think the best example I can remember is a handicap at Royal Ascot in 1995 Celeric the future Gold Cup winner finished 11th off 83 fair enough the 1m 4f trip was too short but back in 17th off just 82 was Pilsudski who went on to win 6 Group 1's! Two Group horses in a handicap but just like Mukhadram they were not the finished article.
I backed Pilsudski that day. Taipan another future Gp1 winner was beaten in that race too.
I didn't realise that Jack so 3 future Group 1 winners beaten in a handicapIt would tame lions!
It would tame lions!
Glad you backed him eventually, I am concerned with letting out
too much info especially if I have not finished with my bets with
horse concerned, if too much is put forward then the price goes if
some punters take the hint.
I am not a big gambler but I get it right on many occasions,
in the early 80s I worked with several young guys who liked a bet
and had a £1.00 ew ante post bet, which gave me a £3,667 return,
I met one of these people and told him that BRONZE ANGEL was a certainty
for the Cambridgeshire, he asked what price it was and I told him 33/1
with the firm he was going to, he scoffed at a 33/1 shot being a cert,
saw him yesterday and he remarked, "GO ON RUB IT IN" I said why should I,
since it's obvious you didn't back it, my mate did all right as he trust me!!
too much info especially if I have not finished with my bets with
horse concerned, if too much is put forward then the price goes if
some punters take the hint.
I am not a big gambler but I get it right on many occasions,
in the early 80s I worked with several young guys who liked a bet
and had a £1.00 ew ante post bet, which gave me a £3,667 return,
I met one of these people and told him that BRONZE ANGEL was a certainty
for the Cambridgeshire, he asked what price it was and I told him 33/1
with the firm he was going to, he scoffed at a 33/1 shot being a cert,
saw him yesterday and he remarked, "GO ON RUB IT IN" I said why should I,
since it's obvious you didn't back it, my mate did all right as he trust me!!
Feltfair are you referring to sectional timing?.Time is ok but it tells you who is probable fastest horse on time.Problem arises if then said horse runs in a race run at a slow pace what happens then?.Two year old esp because of the policy of packing them off early to stud means that most are probably too backward to run,those that do run and win do well but are then likely to be surpassed by later maturing horses.
leading up to the Classics some horses can even improve dramatically,and the only way of knowing is gallop reports and some can be very misleading.
So i feel that factoring in time is only useful to a point.Have you have spotted some other angle that can be used regards time?
I find it better to watch the pace of a race WITHIN the race,not neccessarily the final time,race comments like "ran on well through tiring horses"is a ridiculous positive that some pundits use,what you are looking for is horses that can go past horses that are QUICKENING not tiring.Small example was Ruler Of The Worlds first win as a 3 year old in Ireland the second started to draw away,Ruler Of The World went after it and run it down,and if you look you can see that they were pulling away from the placed horses,so obviously it wasnt a case of the second merely being caught because he was tiring.
I'll respond to other posts later,its obvious that there are smart punters on the forum here and i would very much like to communicate and swap knowledge to hopefully everyones benefit.
leading up to the Classics some horses can even improve dramatically,and the only way of knowing is gallop reports and some can be very misleading.
So i feel that factoring in time is only useful to a point.Have you have spotted some other angle that can be used regards time?
I find it better to watch the pace of a race WITHIN the race,not neccessarily the final time,race comments like "ran on well through tiring horses"is a ridiculous positive that some pundits use,what you are looking for is horses that can go past horses that are QUICKENING not tiring.Small example was Ruler Of The Worlds first win as a 3 year old in Ireland the second started to draw away,Ruler Of The World went after it and run it down,and if you look you can see that they were pulling away from the placed horses,so obviously it wasnt a case of the second merely being caught because he was tiring.
I'll respond to other posts later,its obvious that there are smart punters on the forum here and i would very much like to communicate and swap knowledge to hopefully everyones benefit.
No not sectional timing but adjusted times based upon performances against track standard times.
For Saturday the top four based on this approach were
1. Balty Boys - Discarded because of doubts re getting the trip.
2. Niceofyoutotellme - Backed each way 4.8/1 in the place market.
3. Bronze Angel - Discarded because of up and down performances this year.
4. Gabrials Kaka - Discarded because of perceived bad draw.
Yes I could have backed them all but you can very quickly lose x4 times your money.
It is the only method that has given me a consistent level of return coupled with other parameters,such as draw, trip, etc.
For Saturday the top four based on this approach were
1. Balty Boys - Discarded because of doubts re getting the trip.
2. Niceofyoutotellme - Backed each way 4.8/1 in the place market.
3. Bronze Angel - Discarded because of up and down performances this year.
4. Gabrials Kaka - Discarded because of perceived bad draw.
Yes I could have backed them all but you can very quickly lose x4 times your money.
It is the only method that has given me a consistent level of return coupled with other parameters,such as draw, trip, etc.
i wonder if velox would have won if drawn low.(hypothetical i know)
bronze angel run well since royal ascot,high draw at goodwood a big no no.
bronze angel and niceofyoutotellme be nice lays if they come out next year on soft ground.
bronze angel run well since royal ascot,high draw at goodwood a big no no.
bronze angel and niceofyoutotellme be nice lays if they come out next year on soft ground.
Jesus FELTFAIR you're a hard man to please! Bronze Angel up and down performances??? He has been a model of consistency this. 7f isn't his trip and he has ran some decent races at that trip, he won and was placed at York, placed at Doncaster and ran a great race at Goodwood from a terrible draw. I'd love to own such a up and down performer
Feltfair,Balty Boys just missed being one of the horses in the 90% successful bunch,28 winners out of the last 31 years,[enables you to diss quite a few horses],and his victory at Epsom of all places hardly gave you encouragement.
Same as Cornrow and Tigers Tale and Extremity,those that can only do the biz at Kempton and Goodwood need to have a lot more goinf for them.Have a listen to the post race comments from the trainers of the winner and second,extremely enlightening as per that race.
In the analysis on the forum,very few posters mention a horses preference for certain courses,whether horses are speed horses or as Nicky Henderson said about his Gold cup winner after he was beaten on a speed track,commenting that the horses needed a hill at the finish.
What we are all looking for is a horse like Viking Flagship,who could respond when asked to dig deep on the Cheltenham hill,and still have enough speed to win at Aintree.
Most speed horses will run all day on a level galloping course with a long straight,but when then hitting a hill finish empty out,E.G. One Man.Still Im rambling,a lot of you may already know all this and i'm wasting my time,would you like to comment so as to know whos who please?.Then i wont end up insulting certain peoples knowledge,[nothing worse than being preched to.
Same as Cornrow and Tigers Tale and Extremity,those that can only do the biz at Kempton and Goodwood need to have a lot more goinf for them.Have a listen to the post race comments from the trainers of the winner and second,extremely enlightening as per that race.
In the analysis on the forum,very few posters mention a horses preference for certain courses,whether horses are speed horses or as Nicky Henderson said about his Gold cup winner after he was beaten on a speed track,commenting that the horses needed a hill at the finish.
What we are all looking for is a horse like Viking Flagship,who could respond when asked to dig deep on the Cheltenham hill,and still have enough speed to win at Aintree.
Most speed horses will run all day on a level galloping course with a long straight,but when then hitting a hill finish empty out,E.G. One Man.Still Im rambling,a lot of you may already know all this and i'm wasting my time,would you like to comment so as to know whos who please?.Then i wont end up insulting certain peoples knowledge,[nothing worse than being preched to.
Pipedreamer, the way I looked at BRONZE ANGEL and it's
possibility of a second win, was that in usual circumstances
he should have gone up in the weights from his previous win
in Cambridgeshire, the miss as a 4yo helped him because of an injury,
however he showed he was back to something like his 3yo form when
he ran 4th in Royal Hunt Cup and later against LOUIS THE PIOUS AT 7f,
the trainer used young Steward very shrewdly and the lad does not panic.
in a series of past winners only one horse ran a faster time than BZ
and he was the 4yo BEAUCHAMP PILOT who won on firm going whilst BZ won on good going,
to my way of thinking everything fitted perfectly!!!!!
possibility of a second win, was that in usual circumstances
he should have gone up in the weights from his previous win
in Cambridgeshire, the miss as a 4yo helped him because of an injury,
however he showed he was back to something like his 3yo form when
he ran 4th in Royal Hunt Cup and later against LOUIS THE PIOUS AT 7f,
the trainer used young Steward very shrewdly and the lad does not panic.
in a series of past winners only one horse ran a faster time than BZ
and he was the 4yo BEAUCHAMP PILOT who won on firm going whilst BZ won on good going,
to my way of thinking everything fitted perfectly!!!!!
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