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King George IV & Queen Anne Stakes 26th July
King George IV & Queen Anne Stakes 26th July
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*trip
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did you think he backed up figgis?? or is that as good as he is...very one paced today
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Harry, even taking the impressive winner out of the race I was decidedly unimpressed with his performance in Gp1 terms, won't be for me in future.
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6/1 for the arc isn't too bad !
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well in winner btw nice race
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ye was always a race with no stand out handicapping wise imo but not sure that is as good as he is...he is a very hard horse to fathom and maybe the ground was not quite as he likes...although you wouldn't say he bounced because he had plenty of time after his hardwicke win, you could still argue he didn't give the same running...muka is a good yard stick handicapping wise and he gave his running but is limited although a reliable group 1 horse at his level
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Telescope ran well - no reason to think he's any better than that.
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Time was pretty fast Harry, couldn't have been achieved on slow ground.
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Figg , just on a point of debate , is it not possible that slower ground , not soft but slower conditions in the back straight, was a stamina drain on some of the Horses and that the the recorded time though reasonably quick may have been achieved under duress , which may account for the race being over for much of the field shortly after turning for home .
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3.5 secs slower than Novellist.....
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ye agree but wasn't fast ground like royal ascot and maybe he needs that...on the other hand maybe that is as good as he is
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Mac99, I don't know is the honest answer. Even though finishing second obviously wasn't a bad run, some might even rate it a career peak, on first impressions I don't think I could rate it very highly. It was more the appearance of him towards the business end of the race that I was unimpressed by, he looked knackered to my eyes, maybe they did too much up front but that's just a guess at this stage.
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Novellist's was a race record time due to the unusually fast conditions. Comparing against race records isn't usually the way to go.
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Can't see her going to York (even for Oaks which would be a penalty kick), but maybe Hamdan might aim her at Australia in the Irish Champion. Alternatively they'll just go for the Arc trial (Vermeille) and Arc, and then maybe Breeders Cup Classic at Santa Anita* (like Gosden's Ravens Pass) with nothing to lose as it's her last race.
*They have gone back to a dirt surface since Ravens Pass won which may mean this route is less likely. |
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I know the Arc is a massive race but you are a hostage to fortune in terms of the ground and the draw (seem to remember her dad getting a dream run!) - the way she finished her race today, I'd half like to see her in the Leger.
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I have Taghrooda a few pounds above an average Oaks winner, which is stating the bleedin' obvious. However, even though I was completely wrong about her being good enough I have no regrets on that score as I would still usually play the percentages when horses are priced up short in big races without proving themselves in faster run races. As for Telescope, I think most people will take the view that's as good as he is, they might be right, but regardless of whether he could've won or not I still have him running below his Hardwicke win despite trying to see where errors could've been made on both cards. I don't see any obvious excuses for him though so I wouldn't have him on my side in future but I'd still be wary when opposing him. He may have had an off day or he may be done for the season. There have been a few runners down the years (Hawk Wing, Royal Anthem, etc) where big runs have been anticipated, only for them to disappoint, then when they have put in a big run they've run below that next time, he could be one of those types. Sometimes in this game you just can't make everything fit conveniently.
Taking nothing away from Taghrooda, there were a few below par runs, as whether they were ever good enough or not the likes of Trading Leather, Magician and Romsdal have definitely run better than they did today. |
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sintonian,
vwd. inspired punt |
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'aim her at Australia in the irish champion'. that would be mouth watering. I reckon she wins easy
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Australia may not be seen again(or only in America?)
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That said, the filly needed every yard of that trip today,a drop in trip may not suit.
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I'd love to see Tele & Mukh square up again in the Juddmonte. That is where Mukh runs next, not sure about Tele.
I'm amazed the racing manager to Lady Bamford has come out and said Eagle Top won't run in the Leger. His breeding, and class, looks tailor made for it. |
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Rease, I was thinking the same but she was not in the entries last week.
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Australia would beat her comfortably over 10 furlongs, imo.
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Brilliant day. The bookies couldn't give her away it seemed on the course. Not sure what it was like on the TV. The ground wasn't firm, not sure if firm was in the description but it didn't walk fast for me. The race itself wasn't great in my opinion but the filly bolted up and she looks very special. PH didn't even go for his whip until he hit the front and always looked like the winner turning in. She must go for the Arc surely? Would be the race of a long time if she met Australia there. Possible the ground affected Telescope and Magician but both have been a little disappointing a few times. Mukhadram ran another blinder. Not sure if he has improved or that's how good the form is. RH couldn't hear of defeat for his 2 year old and she was my only other bet. Great day.
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Jamie Spencer rode the track on Friday after 50 minutes of heavy rain, and said it was on the EASY side of good.
The clerk made TWO going changes from GFm > Good > GSft, despite all the evidence, some people still maintain it was on the FAST side of Good! |
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I've not seen anyone say the ground was the fast side of good during Friday's racing. Saturday was a different matter, many races were close to standard, the KG was even faster than the RP's standard, can't be done on slow ground.
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Figgis 26 Jul 14 13:40
Good to firm, for me, with the class of horses involved. Roger De Bris 26 Jul 14 13:38 Times were slow on the round course for me yesterday. 1.27.82 ish the opener. Bang on good for me. Figgis 26 Jul 14 13:30 A head scratcher why the ground is still being called good to soft, as I said before it was no slower than good by the end of yesterday's card. Comparing stick readings it should be proper good to firm on the straight and no slower than good on the round, I'd say probably the fast side of it. You were referring to todays ground then. Misread it, as it was straight after my comments on Fridays going. |
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Yes, Roger, first was a stab at Saturday's ground just after the one race, second was just an estimate of Saturday's ground before racing based on stick readings.
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Good morning Brigust
 ,Wish i would have made the effort to go,a beautiful day and the race did not disappoint. Thought the form of the 2nd and 3rd is about what they are, with not much between them,Mukhadram got a cracking attitude if ridden with more restraint and looks improved,Telescope some would argue ran possibly about a length or so below best past evidence,from a rating perspective I believe the official rating had Telescope on 123(OR) before the race,I think that will remain the same, so Taghrooda should be rated about 127(OR)improved to the tune of 10-11 lb and that could very well continue,the My own and Timeform ratings would be higher.It is easy enough to knock the bare form of those behind,but I must say i was impressed with the distance Taghrooda made up in a short space of time,this was most impressive and done in better style than any of the Australia wins in my eyes, the only question that remains about her is will she be able to go early at shorter distances?,I think she will.Some big headaches now for Racing managers Trainers and Owners as to where to place the 3yrld leading contenders,Australia in particular may now have problems,thev arc looks a much better race with Sea the Moon and this filly looking likely to take their chance,but the Breeders still a realistic option,I have taken a negative view too Australia,for one that we think will improve upon a quicker surface they have decided to run in september? Yesterdays race - http://youtu.be/9q-VhZmP4uE |
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Good morning MJ. A real buzz around yesterday before and after the big race. The ground was perfect I don't think anyone wanting proper flat racing ground could complain. Someone did say the ground around Swinley bottom was a bit cut up and that's probably why they raced a little wide. I didn't see anyone suffer from draw, race position or tactics. The perfect scenario really. I don't think Magician or Trading Leather stay this trip and Romsdal was supposedly having a prep.Tat only left the first four in the betting. I think the form should stand up.
Will she beat Australia? I don't think so if they race on yesterday's ground again. Let's hope the Arc isn't too soft and they both turn up along with the German horse and the Japanese horses. If it turns up very soft they could all be in trouble. |
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Some really outstanding middle distance fillies in recent years - Zarkava, Danedream, Treve and now this girl. Not that many colts can be metioned in the same breath.
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An EXCEPTIONAL piece of aftertiming, Brigust. You really are special. Loser.
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Sad thing is it was predictable you would have to aftertime your winners on this thread. So comical. Anyway, onto the aftertiming thread you go with the rest of the half-wit guessers.
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Grow up Sin ffs. It cost me best part of a monkey to go yesterday but I had a great day. Money isn't everything. You should try it sometime.
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You need to grow up, Brig. Aftertiming is just insulting to every other intelligent poster on here who puts their case forward for a winner before the race. It's got to stage on this forum now when your winners are aftertimed because everything you say pre-race turns into a mess.
Made my point so i'll leave it there. Maybe don't talk like an authority to on things yeah? Smug berk. |
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"Mistakes are the portals of discovery." ~ James Joyce
#mindfulness |
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Aftertiming is not a mistake, MJ.
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Yes , thanks for link MJ , just watched it again , she is one heck of a filly , it was the downpour on Friday that led me to see her as the most likely winner,( it is all in the record
 ) but in truth she would have won on g/f or g/s . You might think a three year old would take some time to get over a race of that quality , that will be the case with Eagle Top who was hard at it for three furlongs to finish fourth , she simply sailed around. It is a massive shame that she will not run as a four year old ,all racing fans will agree on that Treve also has a lot of fans including me, but is a four year old now and could not imo be expected to beat a three year old of her quality in the Arc so i would go with Tagrhooda at this stage as the most likely winner , with Treve as the saver . I reserve the right to change my mind in changing circumstances |
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Good morning mac,agree with your sentiments,the Arc this year could be very much draw dependent,I like Sea The Moon who may have more options than most regarding tactics but would not want it out wide?,whether that form will work out yet, is disputed,but still the most impressive display I have seen thus far visually,the filly did her job in great style yesterday,my feeling is that not that much between them in a clear run race,I doubt Australia will go to the Arc,but a belter if they decide otherwise.(something to look forward to in Europes best race)
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have Telescope up 7lbs on his Hardwicke win, Mukhadram up 3lbs on Eclipse and Taghrooda a better filly at this stage than Treve was as a 3yo.
Fantastic result for Sea The Stars, now thrown this filly and Sea The Moon in his first crop. Already looks booked to be the next super stallion |