just annoys me when JOB comes out with the crap he came out with after Epsom where he was saying he could beat Kingman and co over 1 mile. No fcuking chance.

well done on the place lay Figgis.

How many lbs does he get in the Arc? 8 ? Can't remember.

KG a possibility obviously but unlikely in my opininon. Arest is in order

They're campaigning him easily. If Australia meets good horses, he will get battered. Irish champion against a mediocre field, then he won't run in the arc because of the ground. Wouldn't touch the 5/1 with a barge pole, soft ground or no soft ground. He's being campaigned like a horse they want the easiest path for.

Really ought to go for the King George what else have Coolmore got for that race? Suspect they are already wrapping this one up in cotton wool - not convinced he's any better than Camelot. Aiming for the Arc seems futile Aiden's only ever had one 3yo placed in the race.

Murph - Over 10f they're avoiding the fugue. Over a mile he'd have no chance against Kingman. Over 12f he'd struggle on softer ground against Treve and if the ground was good, Tahgrooda, Harp Star, Telescope, Flintshire possibly Eagle Top could possibly give him a run. He's no being campaigned like a horse who could live up to the hype. No Eclipse and no KG with the age weight allowance .....10f Irish race against who ? ...and if it's not a good ground arc ?

where's Kingston Hill going to run
next?
With a good summer won't be venturing
outside his box,will he?

Only the very best Derby winners can win an Eclipse. Much easier to talk about races that might have been won than actually do it.

since 1989,only Nashwan and STS have
done the double,don't know the exact
number who have tried though.

Graeme - Take your point that the Fugue would have an excellent chance against him, but if you expect Australia to improve for dropping back to 10f, I doubt she can afford to give weight to him & that would swing it in Australia's favor. Agree that he would struggle v Kingman, he truly looks exceptional & has improved. But that Guineas pays testament to how good Australia is, after all he got within a neck of an exceptional miler in Kingman, without the benefit of a prior run, during a time when the stable was struggling & over a trip less than ideal. Obviously we all know he won't run on soft ground so it is pointless to compare with Treve. As for Telescope, Australia's 2 classics and 3rd behind Kingman & NoT is more than he will ever achieve. Telescope won a poor Hardwicke (albeit in good fashion) but he is no Harbinger. At the end of the day, he has only beaten Pethers Moon & Hillstar, not exactly Group 1 horses are they? He certainly could not afford to give weight to Australia. I'm a big fan of Tahgrooda and if she can improve further she would have a chance. Harp Star not good enough & the only Japanese horse I could see giving him a race would be Just A Way.
Regardless of all this, and as much as I would have liked to have seen him in the Eclipse, a classic must take precedent. I disagree with your point that they are avoiding most of the horses you have mentioned. After all, you'd imagine the Fugue would be at Leopardstown to defend her crown & Australia would meet Treve, Tahgrooda, Harp Star, Telescope et al in the Arc should the ground come up good. There is no rush for him to take them on now when there are plenty opportunities later on in the season.

Can't imagine much beating that over 12f myself(ok a one off, but one i keep replaying)

Murph - that was a classic in name only. To me and many others it was a glorified training session. We will soon find out how good the other horses are, but Australia won't be winning any arc in my book. As Penzance said, will Kingston Hill be boxed in all summer, to me he won't be. He never ran because daddy and his mates own Australia. The post race celebrations to me wouldn't have looked out of place in North Korea, along with the withdrawls. We even had those knowing KH was a non runner scooping up all the prices for days before the race. The behaviour of the whole operation leaves a bad taste, and i for one would love it if this horse gets caned over 10f. Australia will probably run once more this season, before being sent to stud. I don't like it when people treat others like morons, and when they hit out with all these superlatives, i'd simply rather the horse proved it. He's not in the same league as the recent greats. I hope Kingston Hill gets battered aswell. I'm going to let the horses i named do the talking.

Geoffrey Chaucer withdraw due to coughing but is apparently due to be supplemented into next weekends German Derby. 1 week turnaround. Is that normal?

Ebanoran and Fascinating Rock have done the Derrinstown form no favours. I don't think Australia has much to fear from Geoffrey Chaucer.

I'm worried we will not see much more of Australia. He is everything Coolmore want in a stallion and the vibes I get is they can't wait to retire him. This break until the Irish champion is baffling considering all they ramble on about is how he must have fast ground. He should have run in the Eclipse but to not even consider the King George or the Juddmonte is so disappointing.

The implication was not that he had anything to fear from Geoffrey Chaucer.

If they are trying a French-type prep for the Arc they've already gone wrong by running him in Ireland. Ground could easily be very soft in Paris anyway.

Anyway, the Juddmonte will have to be considered as it is close to the Irish Champion and the ground may be quick. They cannot retire him without getting a 10f Group 1 race on his CV!