*their point

I've often said a Group 1 race should be a race between Group 1 horses especially when it is restricted to 4 year olds and upwards. If you think Toronado benefited from a below par Dawn Approach that leaves us with an American Grade 1 winner on the dirt and a South African two year old Grade 1 winner who is nor five. It's a really poor Group 1 race.

I've often said a Group 1 race should be a race between Group 1 horses especially when it is restricted to 4 year olds and upwards

Why? Just because you say it should? So if you had your way older horses who may be improving should never get the chance to step up to winning a Gp1? If they don't make it to Gp1 as a 3yo then tough?

I'm with brigust, not a great G1 by any stretch. The fact that the connections of Anodin thought it was worth supplementing speaks volumes

Brigust you really are a thorough bore. Please stop hijacking threads telling us how rubbish Brigadier Gerard was and go and play on Chit Chat.

My friend SJ is going Evens but I cannot get on with him so I'm expecting my good Irish benefactor to go up Evens tomorrow morning.

Since the thread started we have said it may be a weak renewal (this season) but Brigusts comments are just typical of the shoite he consistently comes out with. Every horse takes a slating from him sooner or later.

No doubt if Toronado goes on to be champion older miler this season Brig will find a way to knock it.

Howellsy, what about last year's SJP, don't you think the signs were already there about Dawn Approach? The third and fourth that day were a bit too close for comfort. For me Dawn Approach was never quite as good after the Guineas. That isn't to say Toronado didn't put up a good performance, just that it was elevated in the belief that Dawn Approach was at his best.

Fav does go well fresh & would fancy him to win this 2moro if at the top of his game.
All the vibes are gd from the Hannon & Hughes team about him, not my type of bet, but he will take all the beating imo.

I know you don't Brig.

Figgis, you may be right about Royal Ascot last year but maybe that was his come back after the Derby. I think he improved from that to the Sussex - can you imagine some of the horses who were quite close up at Ascot getting anywhere near in the Sussex? The Sussex broke Toronado too, for last season at least. This just isn't a betting race for me.

morning all looking forward to the great meeting

interesting opener and toronado should win really...not my kind of bet at these odds on the back of a break but not a whole lot to get him with...

verrazano does look a specimen, however he really did win some poor slowly run dirt races in america and unless aiden has suddenly turned him into a top turf horse he needs to be left alone imo...i am tempted to try and get him at the 1.76 to place as he really does have a lot to prove...his dirt form in america is just beating up poor horses off of slow fractions...he had to run fast in the breeders cup mile and came up short...i suspect people are pinning there hopes on o'brien working the magic and him needing the run first time and him improving rapidly like a couple of aidens other winners of the race...the is a pretty weak race on paper so i suppose we should respect him but on pure ability he has plenty to prove and looks a slow boat to me

i was all over soft falling rain to win the lochinge and he was pulled out, he can go well with the ground coming in his favour although his form really isn't working out but i respect him off of 2 runs and de kock has campaigned him for a european campaign so looking at the horses running he has place claims

i am struggling to find a bet but really like the globe trotter side glance to get in the money now the ground is coming right at around 11-2 on here...he has decent form at ascot and if ridden for a place i can see him picking up the stragglers inside the furlong, fingers crossed for some pace to run at, glory awaits and the french horse should give us this tbf...tullius has been going the right way and has every right to place and will be interesting if he can back up his run on better ground last time

Verrazano entered the Kentucky Derby undefeated after four races, including the Grade 1 Wood Memorial, but that day he finished 14th. He then ran away with the Grade 1 Haskell Invitational at Monmouth Park, the home track of Scatuorchio and Sullivan, but over his next three starts he lost some of his previous glamour, with a fourth in the Breeders’ Cup Mile and third in the Cigar Mile. Returning to the races gives him a chance to rehabilitate his image.
“He probably should have always run on the grass, but in America that’s frowned upon,” said Ed Rosen, an American pedigree consultant.
“His sire’s best runners have been on the turf.”
“Todd was reluctant, and understandably so, to go for the first time ever on the grass in the Breeders’ Cup,” Rosen said. “But I think we were always aware of the fact that he would run successfully on the grass.
There’s a lot of grass in his female family.
But in America that’s always a backup plan. Most horses only get to the grass after they fail on the dirt.”
O’Brien, the trainer, has successfully used the Lockinge as a prep for the Queen Anne Stakes.
Last year, Declaration of War, an American-bred colt who had briefly resided in Pletcher’s American stable before joining O’Brien’s outfit, finished fifth in the Lockinge before winning the Queen Anne.

8/1.

Well done Toronado backers. Good to firm ground.

David Johnson ‏@davidjohnsonTF  1m
1.37.73 is the quickest Queen Anne since Ramonti on good to firm (Timeform assessment) in 2007 who clocked 1.37.21.

yes, well done winners , looked straightforward but in fact Hughs road a super race on the winner .

wd winners winner did it well as expected

Only horse that could beat him is Kingman imo. Toro will improve a load for that run today.

After the race Hughes said Toro blew up with a furlong to run. He is usually spot on when he says stuff like that. Unless there is something of a high calibre to take him on i'd be with him. Only horse I can see at this stage is Kingman.