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Horse Antepost
BETFAIR CHASE - HAYDOCK
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amazing the conclusions people draw ^^
1. You have no evidence Pipe did any such thing 2. Dynaste improved bundles from the Jewson to Aintree and could easily improve as much again 3. Many horses improve plenty after their FIRST run outside novice company 4. Cue Card went a strong gallop and most could not lay up with him. Roi Du Mee tried to take him on and fell apart eventually PU 5. Don't think SC will be going to Kempton, PFN has Al Ferof earmarked for that Frankly, Cue Card gagged up on the bridle without any use of the whip so he is going to be hard to beat in any race. Dynaste is a massive threat at Kempton and might reverse the placings |
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Flat track today, cheltenham hits the stamina reserves more than any grade 1 track.
Not saying he wont stay in the gold cup. |
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well done, judo - no bet for me today but could not be much more thrilled if I'd backed him.
Been there for all four of his festival appearances and was there when he won his first novice hurdle at Aintree. There's just something about his free spirited way of going when they let him do what he did today - I reckon there's plenty in the tank and suspect he might have been idling a little up the straight (definitely listening to the crowd). It would be almost the ultimate training performance to turn the 2010 Champion Bumper winner into the 2014 Gold Cup winner but it's possible now (still won't be easy). Loved the race, the purity of spirit that means even the horses who are n't quite what they were try their hearts out. Love the understated approach of the Tizzards too - they've campaigned the horse positively in general and that has enabled them to tap his potential to the full, would have been so easy to get the hump after Exeter and turn up at Ascot today. (thought they might do that myself). I wonder if PFN has thought about the Welsh National for Tidal Bay? Would be worth a shot I think. |
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Nicholls said after the Betfair that he thought the George was between Cue Card and Al Ferof. Doesn't shout confidence about Silviano. Maybe he wont be running??
Bobs Worth was bitterly disappointing. I hope that isn't the end of him. |
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I think Bob`s Worth was taking deep breaths at every fence today, not his course the way he jumps. He will be back, he is as tough as old boots.
Paul Nicholls talking out of of his corn hole btw., making the KG into a 2 horse race. |
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Totally agree, BW could be slow in the GC as he beat the worse field in living memory last season. & im a fan.
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Dynaste has as much chance of reversing placings in the KG as I have of becoming pope!
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boy wonder 07 18 Nov 13 17:38 Joined: 18 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 467 | Blogger: boy wonder 07's blog
cue card will never win at 3 miles he must be a monster place lay if they all line up good shout  |
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Well done judorick with that earlier in the month. Great performance by the Tizzards and Cue Card good to see a big pot not going to one of the big 3. You would think that Kempton on Boxing day would be perfect for him, the only concern would be last years running, I would have to watch that race again. I think Nicholls is right about it almost being a 2 horse race as accidents apart I over 3 miles could anything that has been beaten by Cue Card today beat him in the KG.
What a race that Supreme was |
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The description given to Cue Cards running in last years King George chs says:
Blundered 1st and mistake 2nd, soon tracking leaders and the last bit says: finished tired btn 20 lengths I rather blindly took it in that he blatantly did not get the trip in that race. I did not back him at Cheltenham on the back of that and did not back him today on the back that i thought the same and possibly (even though he wasn't stopping in the ryanair) stupidly thought that 2miles 5f round cheltenham would be approx as far as he would like to go. However I now can see that his undoing in the KG last year was in fact most likely down to the state of the ground together with them first two mistakes after all did he not almost uproot that first fence  I do not think there is anything anywhere in his form that says he does not like going right handed. Yes he has campaigned mostly on left handed tracks but as the above poster has pointed out he has won at Ascot beating Captain Chris easily by 6 lengths and it is just a coincidence and probably more to do with the races and where they are at that he has raced mostly on left handed courses than right.Will certainly take a very good un to beat him in this years renewal of the King George, i for one at 3/1 is a backer. Lets just hope that 3/1 - 5/2 lasts as i can only count maybe 4 opponents out of a poss 12 starters for this years race (guessing on the 12), the top 5 on here make up to only 75% and the books already are very close to betfair prices. I wouldn't put anyone off backing Dynaste Al ferof but i really cannot see past Cue Card now!!! |
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And, can we maybe make a case for Bobs worth and the National or is that pie in the sky
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enjoy the pie.
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great shout judo hats off mate//
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lol well done judorick cost me a good few quid I was there yesterday and thought every horse bar the giant bolster looked magnificent in themselves I bet dynaste as early as may for the king George as I definitely never had cue card as a top class 3 miler he was magnificent yesterday. the positives I can take for dynaste is rembering how well he jumped and travelled in heavy ground last year at Kempton also cue card got in tight to a couple yesterday and even though haydock had made their fences stiffer they wont have been as big as Kempton will be given cue cards ability to miss the odd one out and deeper winter ground I didn't think it was that soft yesterday and the possibility dynaste will improve for yesterday I think he can win the king George but one thing for certain I wont be laying cue card for a PLACE
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Cue Card made a bad mistake in the HaldonGC at Exeter. He is still prone to a bad and when it does happen it costs him a lot. He was magnificent yesterday but it's not like he pinged from fence to fence.
Brooksie, I think Noel was going wide for the perceived ''better ground''. Maybe it was better, hard to say they will know best. |
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If Silvio does not go to Kempton then i'd guess the Lexus or Hennessy in Ireland next ..
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I appreciate that we don't hear as much from losing connections post race as from winning ones but I thought Joe Tizzard made two significant observations post race yesterday.
First (and obviously) he reminded everybody that Cue Card is bred to get three miles and secondly he said that his defeat in the King George taught him how to race in the sense that he does n't have to start racing just because he gets taken on for the lead. I really think the winner is the one to take out of the race yesterday, he is n't/was n't foot perfect but he's a fundamentally sound and sometimes spectacular jumper and will be seen to even better effect on better ground. He's certainly a more athletic, superior jumper to Bob's Worth and Long Run. |
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as I was saying on another thread, when I was researching the King George George this time last year (and I posted this at the time) the thing that struck me was the similarity in Cue Card's racing career to other top notch staying chasers of recent times like Best Mate, Kicking King and now, in particular, Imperial Commander
I had already drawn the conclusion that Sprinter Sacre was an absolute monster (which I also stated many times) and had awarded him massive figures in both the Game Spirit (175 minimum) and Arkle (178). So, I knew Cue Card had a high level of ability already. Then, he comes out and bolts up by 26 lengths off 157 in the Haldon Gold Cup which made think 'wow, how good was that?' Anyway, I was looking at previous King George's looking for trends, studying profiles of previous winners when I had what I can only describe as a 'Eureka Moment' in my head, a vision of the future, lights flashing, sirens blaring woo woo woo woo, ner ner ner ner,ding ding ding ding ding, jackpot baby... Cue Card is the next great staying chaser!! Hard to describe but it's that feeling that wells up inside and you recognise it... yes! I have spotted greatness! Of course, often it all goes wrong and they don't turn out to be any good but this time it was right. He is an absolute top notcher. Watch the replay, JT did not administer the persuader once during the race and the moment he pulled up to talk to Alice Plunkett the horse was barely breathing and would have gone round again in my opinion. Amazingly there are people still doubting him Anyway, nice when a plan comes together |
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don't think people doubted the ability
of the horse,just his stamina. |
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garbage, plenty just knocked him
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It's only his jumping that is sometimes called into question which I think is fair, and until yesterday his stamina was questioned too, hence why his SP was 9/1. His engine has always been evident.
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very well done judo ,you kept the faith and were rewarded, nice one !
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gargage it is then
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Umhm
Of Silviniaco Conti, Nicholls said: "He ran very well. It was a better race than last year and I just felt he needed the run. I was well pleased. He's in the King George, and I think that would be favourite, but one would have to give him an entry in the Lexus (at Leopardstown)." |
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Regarding the King George for Cue Card - last year he was only a 6 year old and running on heavy ground over that trip for the first time. It would have been an incredible performance to win, probably the best 6 year old performance in the race for a long time.
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It's all about opinions isn't it, but i am sorry mr mischief, but i rated the betfair chase as just as good as a championship race given the opposition was just as strong and in some but not many cases stronger than any race you would get at the Cheltenham festival. Also i must also add a race to be dubbed a championship race does not have to be run at Cheltenham, it can be at any track anywhere in the Uk with grade 1 status dependant upon opposition. Of course the prestige may not be there and for that reason you can argue that it is not but i don't just go on that when assessing. I think the betfair chase will in time get its own prestige, if it don't already hold some.
Imo also, the King George is a championship race, it has prestige of its own right and is a grade 1. Championship races don't always have to have the word champion in their titles imho! |
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Or be run at Cheltenham.
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Seathestars
Championship races are not used as stepping stones for the rest of the season. At Championship races ALL runners are fully prepared and ALL trainers have attempted to get their horses to peak at the top of their ability for that particular race. Are you suggesting this was the case with the Betfair Chase? |
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To suggest that not all horses are at their peak to run in a grade 1 is ridiculous imho of course they are their not machines their living breathing animals! Therefore every race, however run is different and therefore anything can and invariably does happen during a horse race!
Yes, i am! |
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Even if it is a championship race, some horses are almost impossible to get to their full peak physically, and more important, mentally first time after a summer break. Many chasers get progressively harder to get fit with every passing year and I suspect that Bobsworth and Long Run are both not fully switched on yet. Whether they will ever recapture their best form is another question.
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Cue Card must have had the edge on fitness over his main rivals, taking nothing away from his performance though. You don`t have these fitness doubts in Championship races.
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I know not the place, but how to you copy someone elses post like you just have mr mischief please? I have always just copy and pasted it into the reply box then put italics on it whenever ive done that i.e
Mr Mischief 25 Nov 13 17:53 Joined: 01 Nov 09 | Topic/replies: 2,118 | Blogger: Mr Mischief's blog I take your point and the Haydock race is clearly growing in stature every year which is only a good thing, but it's a bit like the olympics. You can win all you like around the world but it's what you do in the olympics that gets remembered and where true champions are defined. But you put it in a box as if there was a button one could press? Am really confused lol |
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There is a quote option on the top tight of each post sts. Just click on that and then make your post
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top right
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Now just how the feck you upload photos, never managed to do that either, not for the want of trying, there is a thread ive created on the chit chat forum lol
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