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A couple of things to bear in my mind Figgis,
the Middle Park was just 7 days after running a big figure. secondly he could be a 5f horse and needs a proper 5f pace to show his best. |
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Yes, I haven't completely closed my mind to the possibility he's better than I've given him credit for.
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You know after looking back at the middle park and the other races on that day, I think the ground slowed after first race which is sometimes the case after overnight rain. Which means War Command could have run to his coventry figure of 119 in the dewhurst. I'm going to look at it some more when I've got time, Must get off now.
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I too have the ground slowing later on, but after the Dewhurst, which is why I disagreed about the Rockfel, I thought Al Thakhira put up a better performance than others thought. I could've rated it slowing before the Dewhurst, it's a possibility and I know some might think I just don't want to do that because of my previous opinion on War Command but it's purely because if I did I'd have a figure for Cable Bay that I just don't think would be plausible, plus the way I have it leaves WC replicating his previous figures.
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Hot Streak another wide margin Ascot straight winner.
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Fair point, brig. I don't think they should always be viewed with suspicion, though, the Canford Cliffs Coventry is one that springs to mind where the winner wasn't flattered.
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Stevie G
What do you make of Hinterland running 2.5s quicker than Sire De Grugy today? Do you do sectionals for the jumps? Do you think they possibly went a bit too quick in the latter race? I do sectionals for jumps, they work out pretty well, but only for hurdle races I'm afraid do wouldn't like to comment on Hinterland vs Sire de Grugy. A sfor adjusting going allowances during the day, i will do it if there has been significant rain but I do not like doing it and i won't put a great deal of faith in the figures. s for wind adjustments, well i'm not convinced about the accuracy of that and I certainly would have a major question mark over the rating. |
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I never got a handle on Canford Cliffs. He was beaten in his next 3 races, won the Irish 2000 Gns beating a horse that never won a race again, beat Dick Turpin and Hearts of Fire in the St J P Stakes before winning the Sussex. I had him and Dick Turpin as about the same horse but that couple them with Makfi, Goldikova, Rip Van Winkle, CSA, Paco Boy, etc etc. You know what thy say about a group close together?
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*CDA sorry for any I missed.
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Bear in mind Sire de Grugy carried 5lbs more than Hinterland which brings their times closer together and it will be interesting to see what happens should they come up against each other in the near future. On balance I would probably side with Hinterland.
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I've redone my ratings for Dewhurst day and now have WC on 119
I have goneback ans rated some earlier Dewhurts and I have Frankel 126 Dawn Approach 120 War Command 119 Parish Hall 111 |
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Kingman new favourite on Betfair.Time to trade??
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Kingman has gone again.
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