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cant find any AP markets on this.
Anyone know of any prices,yet?
cheers.
Anyone know of any prices,yet?
cheers.
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nothing as yet
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4/1 would be a fair price for her.
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cant think of any notable runners to contest it maybe SNA, what a poor race its become
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your right elisjohn I remember back in the late 70s and early 80s and even the early 90s the race really was the highlight of the summer,the likes of troy and shergar confirming there derby victories as 3 year olds ,teenoso and ela mana mou winning as 4 year olds,time charter proving her oaks win was no fluke,the brilliant dancing brave gaining compensation for his defeat in the derby,reference point following up his derby win after been unable to win the eclipse over 1m2f,the horse that beat him in the eclipse himself winning the king George the year after,then we had nashwan,generous and lammatara following up there derby wins,since then with the exception of harbinger we have had plenty of very good winners but the race itself has lacked depth,possibly the breeders cup has had something to do with it,possibly royal ascot attracts the better horses now, i don't know but something needs to be done to get this race back to the highlight of the summer flat season.
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^^Dancing Brave a shocking admission
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i beg your pardon ?
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mtoto, montjeu, but my fav kg is the teenoso one, oh wonderful days
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A few years ago I bought a lovely painting for my dad as a birthday gift and a thank you for introducing me to racing when I was a kid....brilliant shot of Golan's King George with Fallon in full flight as he brings Golan's through alongside Nayef with Zindabad toiling down the inside.....he loved that one.
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I see Roger Charlton has confirmed Al Kazeem is going to the Eclipse instead of this.
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Bumping this as markets up now:
St Nicholas Abbey (9/4), Cirrus Des Aigles (7/2), Novellist (6), Trading Leather (6), Ektihaam (10), Mukhadram (14), Mount Athos (16), Battle Of Marengo (25), Very Nice Name (25), Hunters Light (33), Mars (33), Red Cadeaux (33), Universal (33), Ernest Hemingway (40), Chamonix (150) Must say, Cirrus Des Aigles sticks out like a sore thumb at 7/2. He is top top class, excuses for run first time out this season, he is better than SNA imo at at 7/2 rates a great bet, can see him going off closer to 5/2 come the off. Any other opinions? |
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assuming the weather stays as it is, which I think is in the forecast, I'm struggling to see past SNA.
Entry list is pretty depressing, I suppose Trading Leather, Ektihaam and Mukhadram (if he runs) are potential improvers but it looks a poor renewal even at this stage. Just looking at Cirrus Des Aigles' form, I note that in 34 races, he's only run twice when the word 'firm' has been included in the going description. |
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Just looked at the entries and this looks like one of the weakest renewals I can remember - SNA will probably go off strong favourite which says it all. Really depressing as this has always been my favourite race of the season.
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Agree,must be the poorest i can remember.Are supplementary entries allowed?Even if they are,what else is there?Maybe yesterday's French winner or something like Hillstar,just that the race looks open for an improver.
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would be worried following in a 7yo with a previous tendon injury
on fast ground (which it may not be of course). fastest time vs. the standard was at ascot's champion stakes on good ground over 10f. has a gash pedigree so appears to be a freak. st nicholas abbey on the other hand has turned in 147.7 secs for meydan's 12f while close to the pace on good ground. finished ok when beaten at santa anita with the winner clocking 142.8 which is as close to a world record as you can get. he may have been tired and may have been given too much to do on a sharp track. if its fast ground and they run 148 seconds which is 2s under standard with a reasonable early pace and he's a bit closer to the pace then i'd fancy he'd beat him and going away because CDA a) lacks pace on proper fast ground and although he gets 12f well, his best form is at 10f which in beating so you think looks like 127 lbs rating. dont think the soft ground form is worth looking at unless it came up soft and that is dubious anyway. cant see why st nicholas abbey cannot turn around meydan form on g/f with a proper gallop where he may well be at his peak now and the other is posssibly on the wane with this injury. would sooner have trading leather getting all that weight at the prices but although his times were fast (ie sub standard) the quality is unkown or not very good (tied in with libertarian and battle of marengo aint ringing any bells!) i think that st nicholas abbey is a very strong fave and 2/1 is a bet. |
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Pleased to see that Sir Michael is thinking of running Hillstar.16/1{hills} looks worth a few pounds.
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on g/f and if J.O'B rides SNA closer to the pace(which he has this season) than he has before around ascot,he can finally win at ascot.Always thought he has been dropped out to far off the pace when running at ascot,which around there is a negative imo
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St Nicholas Abbey (2), Cirrus Des Aigles (steamer5/2), Novellist (6), Trading Leather (6drifter), Ektihaam (10), Hillstar (steamer12), Mukhadram (16), Mount Athos (20), Battle Of Marengo (25), Hunters Light (25), Mars (25), Universal (steamer25), Very Nice Name (25), Red Cadeaux (33), Ernest Hemingway (40), Chamonix (150)
BUMP! |
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Hillstar supplemented
Paul Hanagan has chosen to ride Mukahadram up at York rather than Ektihaam. |
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To my mind the most impressive twelve furlong performance of the year so far was put up by Ektihaam in the Buckhound stakes at Ascot in May , the way he forged clear of Thoamas Chipendale in the final furlong showed just how well he is suited he is going to be by the distance of the KG .
I first saw this Horse in last years Dante and although the subsequently regressive Bonfire won the race Ektihaam who ran second was pulling hard early on and seeming to run in snatches, he had not really imo run to his full potential in the Dante , He did not run in the 2012 Derby a race he may well have won ,now as a four year old has the make and shape of a top class Horse He comes to the race with a profile much like the great Harbinger who missed the Derby as a three year old , with a bit of luck ( no slip ups ) he could well do it , gl whatever your selection |
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Somehow this is shaping up to be a cracker
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jair, tbh I tend to agree, not a bad race at all for standards these days
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No money wanting to back SNA at the mo. Hope CDA wins for TTF purposes.
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Market gone crazy - looks like SNA is out.
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King George favourite St Nicholas Abbey has suffered a "serious career ending injury", Coolmore Stud have revealed.
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Vets are attending to St Nicholas Abbey with hopes that he can be saved for a career at stud.
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Hope he pulls through.
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Interesting that there were a few weird moves on the market yesterday and then the injury is announced this morning. Sure it's just coincidental but feel a little bit hard done by as backed the horse shortly before the news was released
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Probably got worried yesterday and gave him an extra work first thing to get the old St Nic fire back but backfired....as a guess.
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Going to be very quick ground so I'd be worried about CDA and Novellist and so have narrowed it down to Trading Leather and Ektihaam - might even do a reverse forecast.
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imho , its madness to back ante post these days, if you fancy a big outsider for say gns or derby next year at 50/1 fair enough, but to back shorties for race coming up soon , there is no point, if it gets pulled out you lose, and in the main if another horse gets pulled out youre horse doesn't shorten all that much.see cda was around 3.15 yesterday, you can still back him at around 2,78 now after the fav coming out.
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I have been quite fortunate SJ decided to void all bets made on SNA on tuesday as a gesture of goodwill, he was probably already injured when I had my bet but fair play to them they could have been hardnosed. Just hope the horse makes it through, a really likeable animal.
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good news fa, my latest post wasn't directed at you personally with ante post betting, just in general
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Interesting comment from Mike Cattermole on ATR earlier. He said when CDA won in Dubai the going was officially described as Good, but he walked the track that night and said it was more like Firm.
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When CDA won the 2011 Champion Stakes the ground was described as good but the times pointed to good to firm on the round course that day. I reckon he handles firm and soft exactly the same. However, when it's soft he has a bigger advantage as many of his opponents don't handle it so well. I know he's a very good Gp1 horse but I believe this soft ground advantage has led to exaggerated winning margins resulting in him getting slightly inflated ratings. Personally I wouldn't have him higher than So You Think at his best.
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@elisjohn yeah in most races I am tending to come round to your view more and more, however I still think there is great value to be had in both the classics and the ante-post cheltenham stuff because the liquidity is so much greater. A standard G1 race and yes the value seems to be have gone. Ascot was a prime example of this.
@Figgis, I thought this might be the angle this time round. If this was last year I would have thought CDA was great value @anything around 7/4 considering his proximity to Frankel and his general ability. This year I am inclined to lay him, thought maybe another year and he may have started to regress, I quite like the 3 year old's this season, and I am not sure he will be better on the ground, agree he would be the least disadvantaged on soft which might have led to bigger distances. There are lots of horses in the race I like Ektihaam and Hillstar for instance, I can see him being taken on by the books on saturday almost certainly 2/1 will be available somewhere on the day. |
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i think AP the week of the race is madness,wait till day of the race(esp big fesitvals) and the firms are falling over themselves to 'get' fancied runners,thats without all the concessions they also give.
Still like to play way in advance at big odds,but i now tend to sit tight the week prior to the race. |
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@sj yes I would wholeheartedly agree with this comment 100%. The best time to be a pro gambler is the week before the cheltenham festival, firms falling over themselves to provide decent arbitable opportunities
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dont play on the hedge hoppers(my son does),was there not a first six places in a 13 odd runner event at the festival this season?(sorry if i got that wrong.lol)
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