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By:
IrisDeBalme
When: 17 Jan 13 06:31
Yes .. thats my fault... because he is owned by JP McManus ... accidently assumed Hendo trained it... having backed it so many times with Jonjo as the trainer...!

Apologies
By:
IrisDeBalme
When: 17 Jan 13 08:39
Henderson states MTOY not a certain starter due to 9lb rise... so hold your bets and see closer the time...

Need to look for an alternative now!
By:
bazzar
When: 17 Jan 13 10:32
FLYINGBOLT, looked through latest acceptors and noticed the re-assessment of an 11 lb rise
for DUKE OF NAVAN, needs 18 above him to come out to get in, not totally convinced he will.
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Jan 13 10:41
I'd be very very surprised if he didn't get in.

His new mark just shows how well handicapped Court Minstrel is
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 17 Jan 13 11:17
Whats the source of this newsConfused



IrisDeBalme

Henderson states MTOY not a certain starter due to 9lb rise... so hold your bets and see closer the time...
By:
stevo1
When: 17 Jan 13 11:38
Lots of people holding breath now with Mr Henderson who knows, maybe the weather will come to the rescue?
By:
bazzar
When: 17 Jan 13 11:55
A strange anomaly in my opinion, both ran in class 4 hurdles, both
qualifying for handicaps, one wins by a very easy 7 lengths and
the other wins by 3 lengths, the first is raised by 9 lbs and the second
goes up by 11 lbs, how do they arrive at these assessments?
By:
bazzar
When: 17 Jan 13 11:58
SEATHESTARS, page 2 RACING POST.
By:
BJG
When: 17 Jan 13 12:30
SEATHESTARS....NO1     17 Jan 13 12:17 
Whats the source of this news


todays RP
By:
BJG
When: 17 Jan 13 12:35
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA0Jy69CMAEtusG.jpg


For SEATHESTARS....NO1
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 17 Jan 13 14:03
Thanx BJG! Worrying times indeed! He hasn't exactly drifted on here yetScared though so there are signs of optimism in the air though and there was a fair whack appear at 6.6 last night which seems to have all been taken Plain
By:
Brooksielad
When: 17 Jan 13 14:32
you know what henderson is like, oh im not certain he will run then last min he runs. He will run him if the ground is right.
By:
IrisDeBalme
When: 17 Jan 13 14:52
I am hoping JP will decide to run him... it is a valuable handicap afterall?
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Jan 13 15:28
Actually think it was just a public way of showing his annoyance that the handicapper saw though his little plan - not exactly under the radar was it?

As Iris says its going to be JP's decision anyway
By:
BJG
When: 17 Jan 13 20:36
It was a bitterly cold morning up at Barbury, but one who looked in great nick was our Champion Hurdle hope Grumeti, who is on the comeback trail after a few niggling problems.
Alan added: "When we heard that Jack Frost was on his way we brought forward our work morning and galloped a few on the grass on Tuesday instead of this morning, when it would not have been possible. They included Grumeti, who went a mile up the Barbury gallop, which I have not been able to use for some time. We are getting there with him, and I could not be more pleased with the way in which he is looking."
Grumeti has been allotted 11st 4lb in the Betfair Hurdle at Newbury on February 9 and, while it would not be ideal bringing him back in such a competitive handicap, Alan conceded that he might have to consider the race what with the weather closing in.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 17 Jan 13 20:40
what race is this Jack Frost targetting. Can't see him in entries for Supreme, Betfair Hurdle or Champion Hurdle.

I believe his sire is Snowy Morning though. Wink
By:
roobuck
When: 19 Jan 13 20:50
TENT PROVES IMPOSSIBLE TO PEG BACK
A smart novice hurdler lit up the card at Huntingdon on Friday, writes Chris Nash.

The horse was My Tent Or Yours and the official result of this race will tell you that he beat Population by seven lengths giving him 10lb (a 17lb beating), God's Own by nine and a quarter lengths giving him 4lb (a 14lb beating) and Tiny Tenor by 13 and a quarter lengths giving him 10lb (a 24lb beating).

Population was having his second run over hurdles having disappointed first time but was a very decent bumper horse. God's Own had won his hurdles debut on his previous start running to a figure of 122 (form that was later boosted when the third won a handicap off 117). Tiny Tenor was also having his second run over hurdles and had run a figure on debut of 112. The form amongst the placed horses stacks up quite nicely - if God's Own repeated his 122 performance then Tiny Tenor also repeated his 112 performance. This has Population running a figure of 119 and leaves the winner returning a bare figure of 136.

However that figure does not represent My Tent Or Yours' true achievement. He tanked along throughout, to the point that he looked like he might even be doing too much, pulled his way to the front jumping three out, and was five lengths clear over two out and nearer ten lengths ahead at the last before being eased down.

Assessing the true extent of his superiority over the rest is not easy as he never came off the bridle. I looked at his ten length lead at the last and decided that the margin could well have been doubled if he had been ridden clear after the hurdle so I have assessed him as a twenty length winner - a performance equivalent to a figure of 149, a 9lb improvement on his pre-race mark. The immediate impact of this run was that it qualified him for the (early closing) Betfair Hurdle at Newbury on February 9, and if he takes his chance he'll be amongst the least exposed in the field. In addition his new rating of 149 places him right towards the top of the 2m novice hurdle division.


The BHA handicapper's rationale for the 9lb hike
By:
Brooksielad
When: 19 Jan 13 21:21
Interesting write up, If he wins this you'd have to think he'd go into the supreme the highest rated horse.
By:
bazzar
When: 21 Jan 13 16:59
Is there an acceptance stage this week, please?
By:
roobuck
When: 21 Jan 13 17:49
bazz all the forfeit stages, when betfair suspends the market, are listed under the 'rules' for each AP race. However you need to be on the 'old' version
By:
bazzar
When: 22 Jan 13 09:16
Thanks ROOBUCK, forfeit stage at noon today.
By:
roobuck
When: 22 Jan 13 11:31
But don't expect to see sight of them until tomorrow when they are released to us however
By:
bazzar
When: 22 Jan 13 18:09
Looks like DUKE OF NAVAN has been withdrawn.
By:
bazzar
When: 23 Jan 13 09:18
Anyone know which horses were withdrawn yesterday, cannot find anything
in WEEKENDER or RACING POST?
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 30 Jan 13 15:34
Been trading MTOY since i got 14 when market opened, someones just had it right off at 5.5 - 5.7 Crazy!
By:
IrisDeBalme
When: 03 Feb 13 15:26
In the racing post today Henderson quoted on saying he will 5 runners in the betfair hurdle including My Tent Or yours... ridden by McCoy...

Looks like they had a chnage of heart!
By:
stevo1
When: 03 Feb 13 17:58
Cash and Go for me with Barry riding,hopefully make up for his 2 defeats this season?
By:
bazzar
When: 04 Feb 13 12:13
Anybody got the 33 left in, RP site not updated.
By:
Brooksielad
When: 04 Feb 13 12:39
Strong Betfair field in prospect


Ante-post favourite My Tent Or Yours features among 33 confirmations for Saturday's Betfair Hurdle at Newbury.

Nicky Henderson's charge was a seven-length winner on his most recent outing and beat subsequent Grade One scorer Taquin De Seuil on his hurdling bow.

He is one of six possible challengers from Seven Barrows, with Petit Robin topping the weights for the valuable handicap. Cash And Go, Punjabi, Lyvius and First In The Queue also feature for Henderson, while Paul Nicholls has three entries.

His possibles include second-favourite Pearl Swan, Dark Love and Caid Du Berlais.

Grumeti and Manyriverstocross have been left in for Alan King, with David Pipe triple-handed with Ronaldo Des Mottes, the unbeaten Swing Bowler and prolific winner Home Run.

Cause Of Causes leads the Irish challenge after winning The Ladbroke at Ascot before Christmas and he is on course to tackle another big handicap engagement.

Trainer Gordon Elliott said: "He's fine and the plan is for him to go to Newbury. We've also confirmed him for the Deloitte in Leopardstown, but that is just in case something happens with the weather or something like that. We're looking forward to running him."

Elliott also has Discoteca in the field, with both Willie Mullins and Tony Martin double-handed as well, with Midnight Game and Quiscover Fontaine, and Edeymi and Thomas Edison respectively.

The Eddie Harty-trained Princeton Plains rounds out a strong Irish contingent.

Other notable contenders include Court Minstrel, Cotton Mill and Claret Cloak but Mullins' Abbey Lane does not feature.
By:
Brooksielad
When: 04 Feb 13 12:42
Two against the field.

My tent or yours 12/1
Claret Cloak 20/1
By:
BJG
When: 04 Feb 13 12:43
1     9-5112    Petit Robin49      10    11-10    Nicky Henderson47     159    143    164
2     F1131-    Grumeti259F      5    11-4    Alan King13     153    145    161
3     261311    Cause Of Causes27      5    11-3    Gordon Elliott83     152    143    162
4     64-112    Midnight Game27      6    11-1    W P Mullins59     150    141    160
5     22-121    My Tent Or Yours29      6    11-0    Nicky Henderson47     149    129    163
6    21/171    Dark Lover57      8    10-13    Paul Nicholls40     148    154    166
7     11dF-2    Pearl Swan15      5    10-11    Paul Nicholls40     146    —    160
8     115-2U    Cash And Go49      6    10-10    Nicky Henderson47     145    153    162
9     2190/6    Punjabi45      10    10-10    Nicky Henderson47     145    55    150
10     111U3-    Cotton Mill302    6    10-10    John Ferguson     145    121    171
11     73F6/4    Ronaldo Des Mottes35      8    10-9    David Pipe48     144    110    162
12     619-35    Baby Mix91      5    10-6    Tom George33     141    148    161
13     2F1445    Double Ross7    7    10-6    Nigel Twiston-Davies39     141    161    165
14     11144    Discoteca44      5    10-4    Gordon Elliott83     139    128    165
15     200-6U    Edeymi22F      5    10-4    A J Martin50     139    162    163
16     51-626    Princeton Plains49      7    10-3    Edward P Harty     138    147    170
17     2511-3    Claret Cloak98      6    10-1    Emma Lavelle60     136    159    163
18     40/08-    The Betchworth Kid106F      8    10-0    Michael Bell    Jimmy McCarthy     135    —    —
19     17373/    Manyriverstocross818      8    10-0    Alan King13     135    —    —
20     2P720B    Thomas Edison14      6    10-0    A J Martin50     135    109    162
21     1111-1    Swing Bowler39      6    9-13    David Pipe48     134    155    166
22     05-256    Village Vic57      6    9-13    Philip Hobbs33     134    143    164
23     217-10    Lyvius49      5    9-12    Nicky Henderson47     133    127    165
24     10F-68    Quiscover Fontaine6      9    9-12    W P Mullins59     133    145    159
25     0-4424    Ingleby Spirit6      6    9-11    Richard Fahey100     132    154    163
26     190203    First In The Queue15      6    9-11    Nicky Henderson47     132    131    162
27     14-134    Court Minstrel35      6    9-10    Evan Williams50     131    139    165
28     146-28    Into Wain49      6    9-9    Steve Gollings     130    126    155
29     831222    Caid Du Berlais35      4    9-6    Paul Nicholls40    Harry Derham5     137    144    159
30     10B/01    Whitby Jack28      6    9-5    Gary Moore83     126    154    158
31     311111    Home Run39      5    9-3    David Pipe48     124    134    150
32     122235    Cabimas15      6    9-1    Gary Moore83     122    136    149
33     8-3151    Cousin Khee8F      6    8-11    Hughie Morrison     118    140    149
By:
roobuck
When: 04 Feb 13 13:38
So weights to go up by 2 and if Petit Robin was not declared it would change the complexion of the race enormously.
By:
BJG
When: 04 Feb 13 13:39
NJH said yest in the RP he defo runs the 5
By:
roobuck
When: 04 Feb 13 14:02
Ok fair enough. In that case my two at current prices would be Cash and Go and Pearl Swan
By:
spothediference
When: 04 Feb 13 16:26
any1 know if they intend to run court minstrel in this??
By:
roobuck
When: 04 Feb 13 17:28
If they get no rain this week I'm sure they'll be tempted if he gets in. I'd like to see in the handicap proper, but would dare to suggest he is potentially the best handicapped horse in the race.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 04 Feb 13 18:00
not been through the race in detail yet but initial reaction is that I like both Alan King's runners even though they've been off a long time (a very long time in the case of Manyriverstocross!) - most decent trainers can get them cherry ripe to return at home nowadays and the absences mean that they might be less exposed than would otherwise be the case.
By:
BJG
When: 04 Feb 13 18:30
John Ferguson is delighted with Cotton Mill as he prepares him for a crack at the Betfair Hurdle at Newbury on Saturday.

The six-year-old Tiger Hill gelding hasn't been seen this season after unseating Denis O'Regan when ducking left in the Neptune behind Simonsig at last year's Cheltenham Festival and finishing third over three miles in a Grade One at Aintree.

That last appearance was back in April but Ferguson isn't concerned by his absence from the track as he explained at Doncaster on Monday.

Profiles J P Ferguson Cotton Mill
"He's very well I'm very happy with him," Ferguson told sportinglife.com. "He's been A1 throughout the season but I haven't run him because the ground has been so heavy. I wasn't convinced he'd go on heavy ground and I didn't feel he needed heavy ground races early in the year.

"He's starting off a fresh horse, whatever he does at Newbury he'll improve for it and Newbury will tell us a lot. If the ground is decent we'll have a good idea if his next start is over two miles or two-miles-five."

The Champion Hurdle could be on the cards for Cotton Mill if he runs well this weekend, though Ferguson says all plans are on hold until he's proven himself over two miles.

Cotton Mill's last appearance came over three miles at Aintree, but it's a trip he's unlikely to run over again as Ferguson looks for options over two and possibly two-and-a-half miles.

He continued: "Cheltenham is in our thoughts, but to take the Betfair Hurdle along the way would be nice.

"The thinking behind dropping him back in trip is fairly simple. I started him off over two-and-a-half last year at Hereford and I never gave him the chance to run over two. He ran well in the Neptune and we thought he may get three miles which he patently didn't because at Liverpool he was bang with them two out and was beaten 10 lengths so he didn't get the three.

"He's a horse that won over a mile and a quarter at Newmarket on the Flat and he was as going as well as anything in the Neptune, he's got speed.

"We're going to be a lot older and wiser on Saturday night."
By:
spothediference
When: 05 Feb 13 16:42
re- court minstrel  Evan Williams has warned leading contender Court Minstrel is far from certain to take his chance in the ultra-competitive Betfair Hurdle at Newbury on Saturday.

The six-year-old ran out an impressive winner on his debut over obstacles at Cheltenham in October and emerged with huge credit when third behind top novice Dodging Bullets at the same track a month later, having suffered trouble in running.

He was slightly disappointing when only fourth in the Tolworth Hurdle at Sandown last time and having struggled to cope in the mud on that occasion, Williams insists his charge will only line up this weekend if conditions are right.

The trainer said: "We are keeping an eye on it, but he definitely won't run if the ground is very soft. It will have to dry out considerably for him to run.

"He's in grand form at home and I would prefer to run him if I can because the prize-money is so good, but the one thing we learnt at Sandown is that he can't handle very soft ground, so there is no point running him on it again this weekend.

"There is a bit of drying weather around at the moment, so we might be all right, but conditions will have to be suitable for him."

Court Minstrel holds an entry in the Supreme Novices' Hurdle at next month's Cheltenham Festival, but at this stage Williams is keen to go down the handicap route with a horse he believes is well treated off a mark of 131.

"He won't run in top novice company as, in my opinion, he is not a Grade One novice," said the trainer.

"My feeling is that on good ground he is a well-handicapped horse, so we might as well look at the handicaps at those better meetings for the time being.

"Whether he runs on Saturday or not, spring will arrive at some stage and I am sure there is a good prize in him when he gets on some good ground."  from atr site.
By:
spothediference
When: 05 Feb 13 16:44
roo- would court minstrels mark[131] need to rise for him to get a run in a hcap at cheltenham? cheers.
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