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By:
Denmanism
When: 11 Dec 12 19:46
Cristal bonus,will love the soft.If Bog warrior hadn't fell would have still taken an 8 length beating IMO.Without CB coming of the bridle.Looks a lot more accomplished this season,surely will come on for his last effort.
By:
roobuck
When: 11 Dec 12 20:02
Fairly sure he is being aimed at the Peterborough denmanism
By:
Tucho
When: 11 Dec 12 20:14
is there any reason ladbrokes are taking such a strong position on Notus De La Tour?

what do they know? they must have taken a lot of cash on the ante post thread alone, they've been a stand alone 12/1 for well over 24 hours now and he keeps getting cut everywhere else, as low as 7 or 8 in places
By:
TINnotaTON
When: 11 Dec 12 20:19
there was money for it in the paddy power then it didnt run, maybe they are trying it again, ive heard nothing about it running or not, but would'nt risk it..
By:
Denmanism
When: 11 Dec 12 20:29
Cheers for the warning,read on Sporting life he sends CB and Ghizao.So will keep my fingers crossed,wouldn't be surprised if it depends on Unioniste.
By:
roobuck
When: 11 Dec 12 20:44
According to Pipe quotes in RP schooled well and on target for the race. Guess you never really know but if the rain comes he'll have a fabulous chance - happy to take Laddies money
By:
booster
When: 12 Dec 12 06:03
Is there really any form which suggests Notus De La Tour is well handicapped? Seems to have been well beaten in a couple of good races in Ireland but mark doesn't really suggest he's got anything in hand unless huge improvement is expected.
By:
IDKW
When: 12 Dec 12 10:16
With Huntingdon abandoned tomorrow there's got to be a good chance either Wishful Thinking or Menorah will head the weights here.

WALKON looks the solid option
By:
boy wonder 07
When: 12 Dec 12 11:13
yes i agree walkon is the solid option i had a good bet on him in the power and he ran a blinder but not sure he can replicate that and he has been priced accordingly i took the 12 notus yesterday as i believed that was the value in the race going soft at mo and with rain forecast all friday it could be heavy which will suit him but if walkon runs as he did in the power he will take the beating
By:
racingguru
When: 13 Dec 12 06:28
Question: Why is this grade 3 Class 1 race a 48 hour final dec whereas other races aren't. Tried to look through the BHB site and this was all they said " In addition, Grade 3 Steeple Chases and Hurdle Races and
such other races as may be permitted by the British Horseracing Authority MAY have 48 hour Declarations,
at the option of the Racecourse Executive."


So how is the punter supposed to know this - shouldn't there be a hard and fast rule?
By:
mushroom23
When: 13 Dec 12 11:01
Unioniste first reserve, Divers going to Doncaster
By:
roobuck
When: 13 Dec 12 11:15
When does there have to be a nonner by for reserve to get in? Bound to happen imo if rain arrives
By:
BJG
When: 13 Dec 12 11:22
1 tomorrow Angry will defo be a NR or 2, but whether its in time or nt is another question!
By:
roobuck
When: 13 Dec 12 11:42
Be wrong if Unioniste doesn't get in when, if as seems likely, Divers is heading to Donny.

Then again I'd prefer if he didn't run as he would be an obvious threat to my pick Devil
By:
BJG
When: 13 Dec 12 12:52
9 in the morning is the cut off according to RP Sad
By:
sintonian
When: 13 Dec 12 13:05
There is a shat load of rain all morning tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if there are 15 runners by Saturday lunchtime which is why I backed Walkon yesterday.

The question mark with him is whether he can ''back up'', but if he can he has conditions to suit, form figures on NH Soft/Heavy 211032.

Ghizao out which is no surprise.
By:
sintonian
When: 13 Dec 12 13:07
Booster I thought the same re NDLT. He is 2lb higher for when beaten 17 lengths by .. Flemenstar. On the face of it that might be OK, but it is hard to say for sure and I dont like the fact he is running fresh. This race usually goes to a horse who has had a run.
By:
roobuck
When: 13 Dec 12 13:28
Yeah sint but NDLT is 12lb better off with Walkon for 8 lengths. Like Walkon I think he as good if not better fresh, will like ground and it was a decision based on price. Walkon is seemingly solid, PP form in this race is also a very strong trend but not for me at 5/1.

Clearly he needs to overcome a fall that was also in a big handicap, but the fact he was well punted seems to indicate stable think his mark is ok.

Would not discount either of the top two in the weights either, personally cannot fancy anything else
By:
sintonian
When: 13 Dec 12 13:35
It is a weak renewal Roo. No stars in this one barring possibly Crystal Bonus if he can win off 157.
By:
Meat Loaf
When: 13 Dec 12 17:32
Wishfull Thinking is the class act in this field. Every chance in my opinion.
By:
booster
When: 13 Dec 12 18:07
Have to agree with Sintonian on both points. Cristal Bonus represents last year's decent novices and stable won the Paddy Power with a similar type but have to say Unioniste will never be this well in again.
By:
Sergei_Rebrofl
When: 13 Dec 12 18:14
Was about to post the same thing Meat Loaf, at worst he's a solid ew option. His record over 21f reads F12116 and his record over 20f reads 1110F2122. He's clearly operating around his optimal distance, and has only been uplaced 4 times out of 14 attempts at 20-21f. He was a good 9 lengths ahead of the rest of the field in his second in the Old Roan giving away a good lump of weight, and he should have come on for the run. At 14s I'll happily take some ew action.
By:
roobuck
When: 13 Dec 12 18:56
As well as Unioniste is in, apparently, who is going to withdraw in time to allow him to run?

The only possibility as I see it would be either of the top two who might now re-route to the Peterborough, now it has been saved, where they were originally being aimed. However CB will most likely have his ground on Saturday and I guess Nicholls will be have to persuade his owner

Was thinking on having a saver but probably just leave it to the day now with the unknowns, especially Unioniste
By:
Anywherebutcheltenham
When: 13 Dec 12 20:34
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/8329580/unioniste-faces-gold-wait

Connections now face an anxious wait to find out whether he will get a run and that could hinge on whether Doncaster's meeting on Saturday gets the go-ahead.

The Ferdy Murphy-trained duo of Divers and De Boitron have both been declared with the race as their second preference.

Murphy said: "The plan is for both of ours to go to Doncaster if the meeting goes ahead. Divers is going to run in the two-mile-three-furlong race there and De Boitron goes for the three miler.

"But it was no more money for us to declare for Cheltenham as a second preference so with the way the weather is, it was a no-brainer."

The course at Doncaster is currently frozen, but temperatures are due to rise from Friday morning.

However at least one of the Murphy-trained pair would need to be formally withdrawn by 9am on Friday for Unioniste to be allowed to take their place in the final line-up.

Harry Derham will take the ride on Unioniste if he does line up, with his 5lb claim a big help considering he runs from 6lb out of the handicap.

"He's got his weight because he's got a rating of 137, but he gets a 7lb allowance as a four-year-old," said Nicholls.

"Hopefully he will get in because with Harry taking off 5lb he's got a nice-looking racing weight of 9-9."
By:
harchibald
When: 13 Dec 12 22:05
I think lots of people are overlooking GOLDEN CHIEFTAIN. Didn't get the trip at Wincers last out but near on fav for that race at 5's SP. Talked up big time. Loved the go around there but was either tired, not in to right handed tracks and possibly made too much of the running under Joe. Tongue tied this time, down 4lbs and Crosse booked of min weight of 10st. I think he's set for a massive run. Paul Kealey doesn't think he jumps well enough but I can't see it myself. 140 over hurdles, better on OR that NDLT and more than 3 times the price. Could well surprise everyone. Same colours been carried to victory here with Hey Big Spender in a similar handicap trained by Colin T. I think this horse is no 25/1 chance. Intruigingly Magic Sign are only 14/1, and yes they employ Tom Seagul don't they ?
By:
roobuck
When: 13 Dec 12 22:25
Don't think he's been overlooked on here.....got his own thread
By:
harchibald
When: 13 Dec 12 22:28
er yeah, his own thread is 2 blokes slagging each other off and offering outside about a bet, I did read it yes but it didn't register, I tend to discard carp like that ;)

If the rain comes I think his chances improve too ...
By:
harchibald
When: 13 Dec 12 22:30
Come on Roo, what you think of the Tizzard horse ?
By:
roobuck
When: 13 Dec 12 22:52
Cannot say that didn't get the trip, has winning form over that distance iirc. Stable think a lot of him but from what he has shown, don't think he's particularly well treated.

However as has been said its not the greatest race so perhaps he's not he worst e/w bet. Agree that the rain will help and play to his stamina strengths

Good luck with your play harchi
By:
Exotic Dancer is my banker
When: 14 Dec 12 02:02
Why is Unioniste first reserve off a mark of 137 (higher than two horses in field)?
By:
Anywherebutcheltenham
When: 14 Dec 12 04:21
4yo
By:
booster
When: 14 Dec 12 09:26
Divers out, Unioniste in.
By:
sc1883
When: 14 Dec 12 09:53
couldnt have golden chieftan myself despite having followed him over the last couple of years. was impressive at worcester but that really was a dog and spoon race where he beat tree's. went up too much in the handicap (15 lbs) for that run and as been well beaten whenever he's faced half decent competition. already been well beaten off a lower mark than this at chepstow (i admit tizzard did go easy on him after a slight error). this will be probably the most competetive race he's been in and i expect to see him with struggling out the back with 3 to jump. not one on my list!
By:
Facts
When: 14 Dec 12 11:22
tyronesam     11 Dec 12 18:36 
anyone like astracad...think he might be ready for a big run



Yep -I agree - this will do for me. Like it a lot
By:
unclepuncle
When: 14 Dec 12 15:03
Not a particularly rivetting race especially with conditions likely to be atrocious, but for the sake of having a bet I've thrown a few quid at Tartak @ 33/1
By:
alexmillwall
When: 14 Dec 12 18:35
unioniste... reminds me of mon parrain last year, no quality winning form in the book
By:
Derbyshire Racing
When: 15 Dec 12 09:42
NADIYA DE LA VEGA for me - looks a solid EW bet and for me she will be suited by the coditions, they reckon she stays 3m so stamina should not be an issue.
By:
booster
When: 15 Dec 12 11:06
The difference in Unioniste and Mon Parrain is that Mon Parrain blew his mark of 133 in a race worth £6500 to the winner at Sandown then ran a great race from about 17lbs higher in the Topham from what I can remember. Nicholls has presumably learnt from that and it'll be a great surprise if Unioniste isn't rated loads higher than 137 at the end of the season. On the point of lack of experience, it's long been the belief that French horses are well schooled and he changed hands for a lot of money so is presumably highly thought of. Notus De La Tour is being touted on here but he's relatively inexperienced in big fields and the only time he's run in a field of more than 10 over fences, he fell at the 3rd but I'm sure he's got a chance, just showing how trainers are campaigning novices nowadays.
By:
alexmillwall
When: 15 Dec 12 11:50
fair enough, i did have a little rethink after my post... heavy ground will throw up a surprise im sure
By:
BJG
When: 15 Dec 12 14:40
Get in Cool
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